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The reprobate do not know they are reprobate until they are dead
Then you don't even know if YOU'RE reprobate or not.
and as long as a person lives I can hope and pray for them as I do for you.

If you truly were seeking to know God you would listen to all of the Word of God and not just cherry pick some Scriptures that suit your man centred theology.
Which things are you saying I'm not listening to? I answered your smaller list, and your only response has been to question my salvation, but, interestingky, not to question my biblical points. So who's actually the one cherry-picking here?
 
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I hesitate to give a synopsis on Aquinas, not really qualified, however I will tell you my understanding.

Aquinas stated that God Created the Universe. He Caused it in the sense that he set it in motion. So as God created every thing, mass energy, and ordered the elements into all the forms in the world through forces like gravity. Yes, He decreed every detail. All of what He created is known to him, counted and accounted for.

All this creation was in motion and God was the First Cause of that motion. He set the planets on their path through His law (decree)
God knows where the planets have been, where they are now and where they are going. That is the law (decree) for all of creation.

Man is also in motion. Man is constrained to certain paths by his nature and his circumstanced (providence)
Aquinas seemed to believe in limited free will due to the constraints imposed by the various laws of God. (man's nature, gravity and the Ten Commandments, just to mention a few laws, (decrees.)

Does God decree everything to the smallest detail? Yes, He created and ordered it so it is counted and accounted for. He knows every atom and every elephant that is or ever will be.

He knows the future. If creation were static , without motion, then God and man would know the future. Where it was, where it is and where it is going would be exactly where it is was and shall be but things move and change position according to fixed laws (decree)

So man get confused by motion, about knowing the future of where things will be in the future because creation is not static. Everything is moving. However, God is not confused because He is the Creator and Cause of Motion. Motion is according to His laws (decree)

.God created man, set him in motion by God's decree so God know where man was, where man is and where man will be, right down to the hairs on his head which grow in and fall out, so keeping track of the number of hairs on your head would be a major chore for man, but it is only a minor detail to God
Now matter how much it all changes, it is the same to God, all of it, His creation, His decree. And He knows it, every single particle, where it is, where was and where it will be. And He knows that for the entire universe all at once.

(Just my understanding, I will not defend or debate any of it. Just posting for your information. Read the book)
Thanks QvQ!

I had to ask the chatbot. Copied a snippet from the answer:

Did thomas aquainas believe God decreed every single detail in the universe, even our choices?

Aquinas argued that God grants humans the power of free choice and does not interfere with their decisions. Therefore, while God decrees all things in the sense that He ordains and governs the overall order and direction of the universe, including its general laws and principles, He does not decree or determine every specific choice made by individuals.
Of course the chatbot could be wrong...
 
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Ask the Chatbot if God exists.

Aquinas did write about reason. Read the book and use your reason to determine the answer.

In the general scheme of things. mans limited free will is to man's regard a tremendous power and force in the universe but it is actually irrelevant except in your personal relationship with God.

God created time = motion. All things within time operate according to the laws (decree of God) God knows the future In Time because He created the laws that govern the motion in time.. Random, chance, chaos and prediction are code words for "we can't do the math." God can do the math therefore He can know any given moment where a particular particle will be all through eternity.
God is also outside time, being the beginning and the end.
God know everything inside out.

Aquinas had a problem with the fact that without some free will, man could not be held responsible.
He worked around it as best he could, saying that man was different than a gopher in that man had reason.
Calvin went a step further stating that because man is corrupted, dead in spirit, his nature that governs his will is bound to sin. By the Grace of God a man's nature through Christ and the Holy Spirit is reconciled (accordance) with God.

To state that man has the power to save himself by an act of will is why I see Calvin as a better answer. Both Calvin and Aquinas did believe in the doctrine of original sin.

There are areas where I do not agree with Aquinas. He said that if man did not have a choice then our admonitions and remonstrances would be in vain. Well, guess what? Any parent can tell you that if a child is either dense or just plain rebellious admonitions and remonstrances fall of deaf ears. All the admonitions and remonstrances are in vain and aren't going to change the choice of a man or child's nature on iota.

I do not agree with Calvin that fear of God is piety and it is that fear that keeps us on the straight and narrow. Perseverance of the Saints is love of God, not fear. However Calvin is correct that a man who has true piety (love of God) cannot lose his salvation, even if man is not perfect in every degree.

Ask the chatbot how we are saved.

Chatbot....surely we are in the end times when I am arguing theology with a programed machine.
 
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Thanks QvQ!

I had to ask the chatbot. Copied a snippet from the answer:
Instant Theology cooked and condensed by a machine.
Canned and ready for human consumption.

Every pronouncement guaranteed to be absolutely without question the superior product.
 
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Ask the Chatbot if God exists.

Aquinas did write about reason. Read the book and use your reason to determine the answer.

In the general scheme of things. mans limited free will is to man's regard a tremendous power and force in the universe but it is actually irrelevant except in your personal relationship with God.

God created time = motion. All things within time operate according to the laws (decree of God) God knows the future In Time because He created the laws that govern the motion in time.. Random, chance, chaos and prediction are code words for "we can't do the math." God can do the math therefore He can know any given moment where a particular particle will be all through eternity.
God is also outside time, being the beginning and the end.
God know everything inside out.

Aquinas had a problem with the fact that without some free will, man could not be held responsible.
He worked around it as best he could, saying that man was different than a gopher in that man had reason.
Calvin went a step further stating that because man is corrupted, dead in spirit, his nature that governs his will is bound to sin. By the Grace of God a man's nature through Christ and the Holy Spirit is reconciled (accordance) with God.

To state that man has the power to save himself by an act of will is why I see Calvin as a better answer. Both Calvin and Aquinas did believe in the doctrine of original sin.

There are areas where I do not agree with Aquinas. He said that if man did not have a choice then our admonitions and remonstrances would be in vain. Well, guess what? Any parent can tell you that if a child is either dense or just plain rebellious admonitions and remonstrances fall of deaf ears. All the admonitions and remonstrances are in vain and aren't going to change the choice of a man or child's nature on iota.

I do not agree with Calvin that fear of God is piety and it is that fear that keeps us on the straight and narrow. Perseverance of the Saints is love of God, not fear. However Calvin is correct that a man who has true piety (love of God) cannot lose his salvation, even if man is not perfect in every degree.

Ask the chatbot how we are saved.

Chatbot....surely we are in the end times when I am arguing theology with a programed machine.
Sounds like you got a bit irritated on the chatbot. Sorry about that! Like I wrote, the chatbot can be wrong, even on pure factual questions. Anyhow, thanks for the time! I am not super interested to study the theories of Aquinas, some interest sure, so we will see in the future. Right now I read the Apostolic Fathers. The problem is even if Aquinas has reasonable theories, there is no guarantee he is correct in his arguments. But it can be interesting enough anyway, and give you some ground for philosophy.

When it comes to God, I agree God knows every corner of the universe, and surely He has created all the laws in the universe. I even believe God knows what we will choose, just not that He has predetermined or decreed our choices. I do believe we have free libertarian will, but that doesn't mean a person will say "yes" to God without being convicted by the Holy Spirit. I think that might be a point where I don't agree with all free willers.

God bless you QvQ!
 
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Right now I read the Apostolic Fathers.
Thank you for that information. I have been looking for a book about the earlier church theologians. I will give it a look.

When it comes to God, I agree God knows every corner of the universe, and surely He has created all the laws in the universe. But I do believe we have free libertarian will, but that doesn't mean a person will say "yes" to God without being convicted by the Holy Spirit. I think that might be a point where I don't agree with all free willers.
I have no idea what libertarian free will is.

I read Aquinas, Calvin and now I will read the Apostolic Fathers. I read what you and others say on this forum. I consider all of it but I don't give it the weight of truth unless it is in accordance with Scripture and has a corresponding reality. That means if Aquinas said God is ordering the universe in time through His decrees I can see that in Scripture and in reality (basic physics).

I have read many books on religion. I read the Gospel of Thomas (Gnostic) and many others too numerous to mention but I have only kept four, Augustine, Aquinas, Calvin and "New Seeds of Contemplation" by Merton. I hadn't read Merton for a long time. I scanned it last night and I remembered the explanation of what is not contemplation so I might read it again.
I may or may not keep it. It is the minor note on the shelf. Perhaps it was a mere footnote in my journey.
I will read the Apostolic Fathers. That might be a keeper.
 
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I have no idea what libertarian free will is.
What is it you don't understand? It's being able to choose different options without any option being predetermined. In other words there are actual possibilities of different choices for a person, not only apparently so.

A funny thing is I don't understand what "decreed free will" is. You choose what you are inclined to choose? I don't understand what that means.
 
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Picking a nit:

Calvinism was not developed by John Calvin (who did not personally embrace Limited atonement as a biblical dogma). The Synod of Dort, where the 5 articles of the Remonstrances were responded to, would be a better claimant for the ‘source’ of so-called “5-point Calvinism”.
Why don't they call it Dortism then?
 
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Why don't they call it Dortism then?
At the synod of Dort there was a disagreement about the width of the atonement. One fourth held to universal atonement.

[Approximately one-fourth of the delegates at Dort held to an unlimited atonement. Approximately one-third of the delegates at Westminster held to unlimited atonement.]

 
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What is it you don't understand? It's being able to choose different options without any option being predetermined. In other words there are actual possibilities of different choices for a person, not only apparently so.
I have been considering that is not the modern view. We have whole fields of study into the nature and substance of man's psyche (soul) and what predetermines man to certain actions. Nurture vs nature, education, social position, rich or poor, genetics and biological chemical factors
However I can see that in the one instance of salvation that a man could have sovereign will, absolutely without any other question other than Do you love God?" Yes or no. The answer would be without any cause

I did have a moment on an absolutely perfect day, warm sunshine flowers, perfect. I was sitting on a bridge watching the water, no thought in my mind and a chill came over me and in that moment I had the absolute certainty that God did not exist.. I thought, it didn't matter. I love God. I will live my life accordingly. I have no idea what caused that moment of doubt but I chose God, win lose or draw. The entire episode seemed to not have a "cause." It was a simple yes or no. If I had walked away from the bridge agreeing with the chill then I would have been atheist forever, so strong was the certainty.

Maybe we do have a moment without influence when we choose. That is an experience I had that impressed me but I am not certain my experience has the makings of universal truth.
 
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There is an earlier post about temptation, compulsion and enemies.
I haven't forgotten to answer. I am thinking about the issues involved.
Just wanted you to know I am not ignoring your posts, just thinking about all the points. I am a slow thinker.
 
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I have been considering that is not the modern view. We have whole fields of study into the nature and substance of man's psyche (soul) and what predetermines man to certain actions. Nurture vs nature, education, social position, rich or poor, genetics and biological chemical factors
However I can see that in the one instance of salvation that a man could have sovereign will, absolutely without any other question other than Do you love God?" Yes or no. The answer would be without any cause

I did have a moment on an absolutely perfect day, warm sunshine flowers, perfect. I was sitting on a bridge watching the water, no thought in my mind and a chill came over me and in that moment I had the absolute certainty that God did not exist.. I thought, it didn't matter. I love God. I will live my life accordingly. I have no idea what caused that moment of doubt but I chose God, win lose or draw. The entire episode seemed to not have a "cause." It was a simple yes or no. If I had walked away from the bridge agreeing with the chill then I would have been atheist forever, so strong was the certainty.

Maybe we do have a moment without influence when we choose. That is an experience I had that impressed me but I am not certain my experience has the makings of universal truth.
That was an interesting story. The good thing is we can have an absolute certainty there is no God, and still be wrong. Being certain is a sense of knowing. I have had both the knowing of no existence of God and the knowing of the existence of God, but both can't be true right? Such experiences you describe gives you a better understanding how people can be Atheists or be of other religions. It can be very humbling. I do have to say, when it comes down to very core, what I know from Christianity has a lot more weight than other religions or philosophies. The case for Jesus is very strong to me, from historical sources, moral aspects of good and evil, and from experiences. Some ten years of Eastern religion could never do what Jesus did for me in an instant.

Did this feeling ever come back, there being no God?
 
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What is it you don't understand? It's being able to choose different options without any option being predetermined.

A funny thing is I don't understand what "decreed free will" is. You choose what you are inclined to choose? I don't understand what that mean.
I believe in free will, but I don't think it's possible if God can tell the future from before we exist. That means somebody determined our future for us, and we have no say in it.
 
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@Derf
There is an earlier post about temptation, compulsion and enemies.
I haven't forgotten to answer. I am thinking about the issues involved.
Just wanted you to know I am not ignoring your posts, just thinking about all the points. I am a slow thinker.
Thanks for the reply. I saw where you said you were reading other sources, and that's a good thing.
 
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That was an interesting story. The good thing is we can have an absolute certainty there is no God, and still be wrong. Being certain is a sense of knowing. I have had both the knowing of no existence of God and the knowing of the existence of God, but both can't be true right? Such experiences you describe gives you a better understanding how people can be Atheists or be of other religions. It can be very humbling. I do have to say, when it comes down to very core, what I know from Christianity has a lot more weight than other religions or philosophies. The case for Jesus is very strong to me, from historical sources, moral aspects of good and evil, and from experiences. Some ten years of Eastern religion could never do what Jesus did for me in an instant.

Did this feeling ever come back, there being no God?
That was the only time. It was not a thought as you say, but a feeling. Cold and hard. There was an absolute certainty, not a thought, but a knowing that God did not exist. It was mine alone to answer because all the faith in God was gone, erased by that certainty. "
But, when God is only a memory, then "thy sweet love remembered, such wealth brings..."
I remembered the love of God which made me smile. Then the moment and the cold feeling was gone

Just an instant in time but it made a very lasting impression me.

The case for Jesus, for me who had been taught it is a fairy tale, is that no one could have made that story up. Christians are so used to that story they have, through familiarity, lost the awareness of how absolutely unique Jesus was. There was never anyone like that before or after in historical fact or fiction.
It is not within the power of man to create that epic. It is too unique and unusual. Nothing seen in the world before or since.
I also know the truth of it intuitively. You can know it in your bones that story is true.
 
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That was the only time. It was not a thought as you say, but a feeling. Cold and hard. There was an absolute certainty, not a thought, but a knowing that God did not exist. It was mine alone to answer because all the faith in God was gone, erased by that certainty. "
But, when God is only a memory, then "thy sweet love remembered, such wealth brings..."
I remembered the love of God which made me smile. Then the moment and the cold feeling was gone

Just an instant in time but it made a very lasting impression me.

The case for Jesus, for me who had been taught it is a fairy tale, is that no one could have made that story up. Christians are so used to that story they have, through familiarity, lost the awareness of how absolutely unique Jesus was. There was never anyone like that before or after in historical fact or fiction.
It is not within the power of man to create that epic. It is too unique and unusual. Nothing seen in the world before or since.
I also know the truth of it intuitively. You can know it in your bones that story is true.
I can only say: "Wow!"
 
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Why don't they call it Dortism then?
Sort of like the same reason you don’t get to give yourself a nickname.

In Germany, the Lutheran Church was the official, state church … a common practice at that time, but for the discussion of why are Calvinists called Calvinists when there were reformers teaching what John Calvin taught while Calvin was still wearing ”little boy” pants involves the Lutheran state church in Germany. Lutherans represent the first, moderate wave, of “reformers” that embraced most of Roman Catholic TRADITION (like the perpetual virginity of Mary) while attempting to correct what they perceived as “contra-biblical” errors (like indulgences and purgatory). Men like Huss (who predated Calvin) and the many “second wave” Reformers took a harder stance and rejected more of tradition while placing almost complete emphasis on Scripture. The Lutheran Church and the German State wanted to make clear their position that these new reformers had gone too far and were, in their opinion, following the Teaching of Men and abandoning the teaching of the Holy Church (the Lutheran State Church in this case).

It was the powerful Lutheran Church, backed by the complete authority of the German princes, that gave the reformers the nickname “Calvinists” as an insult … implying (as many anti-Calvinists do today) that those of us that reject historic Church TRADITION and place SOLA SCRIPTURA (Scripture Alone) on a pedestal as the only source of “authority” are following the teaching of a man (“John Calvin”) rather than the teaching of God. The first systematic challenge to Reformed Theology (sometimes called the Doctrines of Grace) came from the 5 Articles of Remonstrances (which set out Classic Arminianism). The Reformed Countries responded by calling a Synod (multi-church gathering) that met at Dort (a city) and issued 5 Reformed statements in direct response to the 5 statements in the (Arminian) Remonstrances. These 5 statements were not CALLED “TULIP” (that came in the 1900’s) but contain the 5 ideas presented in TULIP. That is why the Synod of Dort is often a candidate for the “birthplace of Calvinism”.

That is also how “Reformed Theology” came to be called “Calvinism” … the Lutheran Church started saying it (and the nickname stuck).
 
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Mark Quayle said:
Answer the question, "If God is THE First Cause, and Omniscient and, of course, Omnipotent, how is it even possible that something could come to pass apart from his decreeing it to be so?"
I don't like it when others don't answer my questions, and I saw this when I went back through the posts, so I'll try to answer it.
First, if no one else ever gets to make a decision, then "First Cause" is really "Only Cause". If anyone else ever gets to actually make a decision (like whether to eat of a particular tree in a particular garden), then they are able to alter the course of future events.
Why does the question of "if no one else ever gets to make a decision" come up? Nobody is saying that nobody else but God decides.

You are correct that if God is Omniscient in the way most usually define the term, then He would know exactly what everyone would do under each of the intervening circumstances, and therefore He would be setting in motion a string of events that no one could alter. I don't know that He needs to be omnipotent to do that, because He's just setting in motion the events that He foresees. However, this is NOT Calvinism, at least not according to the Westminster Confession, which says that God does not know the future because He can foresee it, but foresees it because He decrees it. That means, expressly, that He is in the business of causing His decrees to come to pass, which means that Omnipotence is the more important quality, and Omniscience is a mere byproduct. So in the same way that God can remember (perfectly) what He has done in the past (everything), He also is capable of knowing what He plans to do in the future. In such a world, He is the ONLY actor/agent, because everybody is merely doing what He programmed them to do.
I expect this is where you got that idea: "Although God knows whatsoever may or can come to pass, upon all supposed conditions; yet hath He not decreed any thing because He foresaw it as future, as that which would come to pass, upon such conditions." It is not saying that the only way he foresees is by causing, but that his decree (and I will add, 'his causing') is not dependent on his ability to see the future.

I would enjoy a thread, a discussion on the notion/concept of God seeing into the future; God is not like us.
That's why I (and Arminians) reject Calvinism...because it proposes a useless world that, if we are allowed to reflect on it, denigrates God's existence, power, wisdom, and real glory. It is not glorifying to God, because any glory He gets from His creatures is merely a programmed "Hallelujah", or even "I love you, God." Imagine your own world where everybody that has ever "loved" you was merely repeating "I love you" to your face because you programmed them to do so. Every "attaboy" or "great job, Mark" was due, not to the fact that you actually did something worthy of praise (it's worthiness is not even up for discussion), but because you programmed everybody to be "yes men" sycophants. How glorious would that be?
Notice you say, "...if we... reflect on it,". The "we" there does not include the Reformed, nor the Calvinists, nor others of that sort. As I have said before, you have a completely different worldview, that I call self-determinism, that does not consider that God is a completely different order of being, self-existent, which necessarily implies a different reality from what we know and deal with here. It is FROM him that we, and time, and all the other principles to which we are subject, come. HE is the default fact. He is not subject to our 'reality'.

God glorifies himself. What is man, that God should gain glory by man's admiration? God gains his glory by his use of man. (No, I'm not saying man should not glorify God, nor even that it is meaningless to God.) Likewise, how can man's praise of God be of any value to God, apart from God doing it in man. If man, apart from God, praises God, he has done nothing. His words are useless, and he is unable to describe God. Only God can do it in him, to any worthy degree. "Apart from me, you can do nothing."



Yes, there is a problem with God knowing the future exhaustively and people actually having the ability to respond to God, and that's why I don't think God created a world where every future act was completely settled before anyone else had any say in it. God wants us to "have our say". He wants us to glorify Him because we see His power, majesty, wisdom, faithfulness, justice, mercy, love, etc. And He knows that if we don't obey Him it is immeasurably bad for us to remain in His kingdom.
The problem with the idea of a God who created a world where he doesn't know the future exhaustively is simple contradiction of omnipotence and omniscience. But you're not the first who attempts to say it is no contradiction if he doesn't know what hasn't happened yet.

But logically, it is impossible for First Cause "with intent" —i.e. God— from whom all fact logically descends via causation, to make anything uncaused. (It is self-contradictory to say that he can cause something he does not cause). Now if one says he can cause the thing, and so it is caused, but that he didn't know about it, or if he did, that he is unaware of its effects, then you are not only heretically ruling out omniscience and omnipotence, but you are engaging in circular reasoning: You are merely claiming something is valid by attempting to make a definition for it. The Open Theist does this, by saying it is not that God doesn't know some things. It is just that they are not yet things because they haven't happened yet. But the Open Theist does not know that he has invented a principle over which God is not sovereign. Thus, his claim makes God not First Cause, after all, but just Main Cause. And so do you.

There's also a problem with taking so many bible passages and saying "God didn't mean what He said", or "You non-Calvinists don't understand God because He hasn't granted you understanding", as some are wont to do. My favorite, which you dismissed, is Hezekiah's illness, which God either decreed one way or the other, assuming He decreed it from the foundation of the world, but Isaiah delivered two opposite messages within a few minutes of time. The ONLY way for that to be possible without God lying to Hezekiah is if God changed His mind and decreed a new thing after Hezekiah prayed to Him. The ONLY way. And of course, I've labeled myself as a heretic here, in trying to show that Calvinism is unbiblical (which I think is more accurate than "heretical", since heresy is in the eye of the beholder).
Does God mean what he says, when he claims omniscience? Does God mean what he says when he claims omnipotence? Do you believe he is those things? Because if god is less than Omnipotent, he is not God.

Hezekiah's illness is no better an example than God's message to Ninevah through Jonah, nor any of several other such examples. It seems to me you don't want to find a way to understand them contrary to your notions of God's impotence.

There are (at least) two kinds of prophecy found in Scripture. One is warning —telling what will happen if— and the other is foretelling what WILL Happen.

Why don't they call it Dortism then?
Well, there is, Synodism. ...er, wait —"Monergism, Synerg..."— ...oh! Nevermind....
 
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Answer the question, "If God is THE First Cause, and Omniscient and, of course, Omnipotent, how is it even possible that something could come to pass apart from his decreeing it to be so?"

Why does the question of "if no one else ever gets to make a decision" come up? Nobody is saying that nobody else but God decides.


I expect this is where you got that idea: "Although God knows whatsoever may or can come to pass, upon all supposed conditions; yet hath He not decreed any thing because He foresaw it as future, as that which would come to pass, upon such conditions." It is not saying that the only way he foresees is by causing, but that his decree (and I will add, 'his causing') is not dependent on his ability to see the future.

I would enjoy a thread, a discussion on the notion/concept of God seeing into the future; God is not like us.

Notice you say, "...if we... reflect on it,". The "we" there does not include the Reformed, nor the Calvinists, nor others of that sort. As I have said before, you have a completely different worldview, that I call self-determinism, that does not consider that God is a completely different order of being, self-existent, which necessarily implies a different reality from what we know and deal with here. It is FROM him that we, and time, and all the other principles to which we are subject, come. HE is the default fact. He is not subject to our 'reality'.

God glorifies himself. What is man, that God should gain glory by man's admiration? God gains his glory by his use of man. (No, I'm not saying man should not glorify God, nor even that it is meaningless to God.) Likewise, how can man's praise of God be of any value to God, apart from God doing it in man. If man, apart from God, praises God, he has done nothing. His words are useless, and he is unable to describe God. Only God can do it in him, to any worthy degree. "Apart from me, you can do nothing."




The problem with the idea of a God who created a world where he doesn't know the future exhaustively is simple contradiction of omnipotence and omniscience. But you're not the first who attempts to say it is no contradiction if he doesn't know what hasn't happened yet.

But logically, it is impossible for First Cause "with intent" —i.e. God— from whom all fact logically descends via causation, to make anything uncaused. (It is self-contradictory to say that he can cause something he does not cause). Now if one says he can cause the thing, and so it is caused, but that he didn't know about it, or if he did, that he is unaware of its effects, then you are not only heretically ruling out omniscience and omnipotence, but you are engaging in circular reasoning: You are merely claiming something is valid by attempting to make a definition for it. The Open Theist does this, by saying it is not that God doesn't know some things. It is just that they are not yet things because they haven't happened yet. But the Open Theist does not know that he has invented a principle over which God is not sovereign. Thus, his claim makes God not First Cause, after all, but just Main Cause. And so do you.


Does God mean what he says, when he claims omniscience? Does God mean what he says when he claims omnipotence? Do you believe he is those things? Because if god is less than Omnipotent, he is not God.

Hezekiah's illness is no better an example than God's message to Ninevah through Jonah, nor any of several other such examples. It seems to me you don't want to find a way to understand them contrary to your notions of God's impotence.

There are (at least) two kinds of prophecy found in Scripture. One is warning —telling what will happen if— and the other is foretelling what WILL Happen.


Well, there is, Synodism. ...er, wait —"Monergism, Synerg..."— ...oh! Nevermind....
I like the new stereotype - Synodism. Makes sense to me. ;)
 
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Then you don't even know if YOU'RE reprobate or not.

Which things are you saying I'm not listening to? I answered your smaller list, and your only response has been to question my salvation, but, interestingky, not to question my biblical points. So who's actually the one cherry-picking here?
I'm glad you touched on assurance as the only assurance for the Arminian comes from their ability to have faith in their faith and their perseverance in that faith whereas those who are truly regenerated by God know that they justly deserve God's wrath and are His children not because of who they are or anything that they do but solely because they are granted the gift of faith to trust Christ alone, in who He is and what He has done for them. This genuine assurance is evidenced by the Holy Spirit within them and manifested in them becoming new creations (2 Cor 5:17) who die daily to self and live in grateful obedience to Him who died and rose again for them.

Rom 8:16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,

A true work of the Spirit involves humbling a person to see their dusthood and clayness before the Potter and submitting to Him in all things. I sincerely hope He humbles you this side of eternity.
 
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