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My reading of the text is it specifically says 'have our being' and this does not sound like a prophetic projection to me but more an actual existence?
1. "many" is not the same as "all"; "chosen" is not the same as "accept".Additionally, passages such as Matthew 22:14, where Jesus says "For many are called, but few are chosen." This is interpreted to mean that God calls all people to salvation, but not all accept it.
Isn't your comment consistent with what I wrote?1. "many" is not the same as "all"; "chosen" is not the same as "accept".
2. In Matthew 22, it is GOD who is doing both the "calling" and "choosing", while your reinterpretation places men in God's seat of control.
Please explain how Tezozomoc (son of Itzcoatl) was pre-destinated to be saved? He was the grandfather of Moctezuma II (c. 1466 – 29 June 1520), ruler of the Aztecs, and died before the first Europeans made contact with the native Americans. He was born, lived and died having no chance to hear the name of Jesus Christ, but offering human sacrifices to Aztec gods all his life.I think God pre-destinates everyone to be saved, the default is saved, man has to reject Christ not to be.
Goes to establish who 'those he foreknew are' ie both one and the same and if God predestines everyone to be saved but they decline then Tulip doctrine quickly collapses.Relevance?
No.Isn't your comment consistent with what I wrote?
Additionally, passages such as Matthew 22:14, where Jesus says "For many are called, but few are chosen." This is interpreted to mean that God calls all people to salvation, but not all accept it.
I could accept your work if it used less substitutions. How aboutNo.
Additionally, passages such as Matthew 22:14, where Jesus says "For many are called, but few are chosen." This is interpreted to mean that God calls [many] people to salvation [with the gospel], [and God chooses few to be saved from among the many that are called].
- "many" but not "all" hear the gospel and have an opportunity to believe [Remember the parable of the sower, some seed is snatched up with no chance of taking root.]
- "few" are saved, and it is God that chooses the men, not men who choose God [Remember Abram, Moses and Paul ... God chose them.]
Wendy Alec described The Lord Jesus Christ Himself as describing some people as 'they do not know my word but they know me'. Do you assume that people who have not heard of the Bible cannot be saved? That's not very fair? That's not the God I know? How do you know he wasn't saved in the end?Please explain how Tezozomoc (son of Itzcoatl) was pre-destinated to be saved? He was the grandfather of Moctezuma II (c. 1466 – 29 June 1520), ruler of the Aztecs, and died before the first Europeans made contact with the native Americans. He was born, lived and died having no chance to hear the name of Jesus Christ, but offering human sacrifices to Aztec gods all his life.
Romans 9:14-18 [NASB95]I could accept your work if it used less substitutions. How about
Additionally, passages such as Matthew 22:14, where Jesus says "For many are called, but few are chosen." This is interpreted to mean that God callsall[many] people to salvation, but not all accept it.
the context, a parable of a wedding feast, causes me to doubt the perspective given in your post.Our "acceptance" is not the horse driving this cart.
It was the cutting out of hearts of prisoners taken in war as an offering to Huitzilopochtli to delay the destruction of the world that caused me to doubt his salvation.How do you know he wasn't saved in the end?
Dont men choose to open the door? Rev 3 :20? Where does that fit in your timeline? Before beig called, Between called and chosen? Or after chosen?No.
Additionally, passages such as Matthew 22:14, where Jesus says "For many are called, but few are chosen." This is interpreted to mean that God calls [many] people to salvation [with the gospel], [and God chooses few to be saved from among the many that are called].
- "many" but not "all" hear the gospel and have an opportunity to believe [Remember the parable of the sower, some seed is snatched up with no chance of taking root.]
- "few" are saved, and it is God that chooses the men, not men who choose God [Remember Abram, Moses and Paul ... God chose them.]
So not the vilest sinner then? How about Paul?It was the cutting out of hearts of prisoners taken in war as an offering to Huitzilopochtli to delay the destruction of the world that caused me to doubt his salvation.
"And his servants, departing into the ways, gathered all those whom they found ..."the context, a parable of a wedding feast, causes me to doubt the perspective given in your post.
And responding, Jesus again spoke to them in parables, saying: "The kingdom of heaven is like a man who was king, who celebrated a wedding for his son. And he sent his servants to call those who were invited to the wedding. But they were not willing to come. Again, he sent other servants, saying, "Tell the invited: Behold, I have prepared my meal. My bulls and fatlings have been killed, and all is ready. Come to the wedding." But they ignored this and they went away: one to his country estate, and another to his business. Yet truly, the rest took hold of his servants and, having treated them with contempt, killed them. But when the king heard this, he was angry. And sending out his armies, he destroyed those murderers, and he burned their city. Then he said to his servants: "The wedding, indeed, has been prepared. But those who were invited were not worthy. Therefore, go out to the ways, and call whomever you will find to the wedding." And his servants, departing into the ways, gathered all those whom they found, bad and good, and the wedding was filled with guests. Then the king entered to see the guests. And he saw a man there who was not clothed in a wedding garment. And he said to him, "Friend, how is it that you have entered here without having a wedding garment?" But he was dumbstruck. Then the king said to the ministers: "Bind his hands and feet, and cast him into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. For many are called, but few are chosen." "Matthew 22:1-14
Revelation 3:14 [NASB95] "To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this:Don't men choose to open the door? Rev 3 :20? Where does that fit in your timeline? Before being called, Between called and chosen? Or after chosen?
The way you're reading the parable looks wrong."And his servants, departing into the ways, gathered all those whom they found ..."
Then the king said to the ministers:
- Gospel call scattered broadly.
- "gathered" = men forced to come, not men freely chose to come.
- John 6:44-45 [NASB95] "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day. It is written in the prophets, 'AND THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT OF GOD.' Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me."
"Bind his hands and feet, and cast him into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. For many are called, but few are chosen."
- "the KING" does the choosing from among those called, the guest did not do the choosing.
- What is the source of YOUR 'clothing' ... your righteousness or Jesus' righteousness?
- John 15:16 [NASB95] "You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and [that] your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you."
- Ephesians 2:8-9 [NASB95] "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, [it is] the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast."
... "OF GOD" and not "of man".
Soli Deo Gloria!
So not the vilest sinner then? How about Paul?
I must return to my previous question:The guest with inappropriate dress seems to be one who is present but has not prepared so he is expelled.
The (in)famous verse in Revelation 3:20 is not addressed to unbelievers, but to believers in a specific church. It is typically wrenched out of its context and used as an evangelistic tool to persuade people to "invite Jesus into their hearts", a concept found nowhere in the Bible.Dont men choose to open the door? Rev 3 :20? Where does that fit in your timeline? Before beig called, Between called and chosen? Or after chosen?
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