Is Calvinism a false denomination?

[K Watt]

This.

I proved that was true.

I posted a Calvinist source that proved it.

If you have another view that's your personal right, and I'm glad you do. However, you are not in conformity with Calvinist dogma.

Do you now say that the non elect have the opportunity for salvation?

 

[Hammster]

I proved that was true.

I posted a Calvinist source that proved it.

No, you didn’t.

 

[solid_core]

That’s not Calvinism. But again, I’ll be more than willing to see your arguments.

Of course it is calvinism. You decided to ignore vast majority of calvinistic sources.

"We also condemn the Pelagians who assert that an evil man has sufficient free will to do the good that is commanded."
THE SECOND HELVETIC CONFESSION

 

[K Watt]

No, you didn’t.

Read it again:

Unconditional Election:
God does not base His election on anything He sees in the individual. He chooses the elect according to the kind intention of His will (Eph. 1:4-8; Rom. 9:11) without any consideration of merit within the individual. Nor does God look into the future to see who would pick Him. Also, as some are elected into salvation, others are not.

Do you deny that this is Calvinist doctrine?

 

[Hammster]

Of course it is calvinism. You decided to ignore vast majority of calvinistic sources.

"We also condemn the Pelagians who assert that an evil man has sufficient free will to do the good that is commanded."
THE SECOND HELVETIC CONFESSION

Do you understand the context of that statement?

 

[Hammster]

Read it again:

Unconditional Election:
God does not base His election on anything He sees in the individual. He chooses the elect according to the kind intention of His will (Eph. 1:4-8; Rom. 9:11) without any consideration of merit within the individual. Nor does God look into the future to see who would pick Him. Also, as some are elected into salvation, others are not.

Do you deny that this is Calvinist doctrine?

Where does that say “Calvinists believe God creates men with no opportunity for salvation“?

 

[solid_core]

Do you understand the context of that statement?

I am sure you will gladly explain how it says something different than it says.

In your version of calvinism, a natural man is able to do all commands of the Lord?

 

[Hammster]

I am sure you will gladly explain how it says something different than it says.

In your version of calvinism, a natural man is able to do all commands of the Lord?

Sure. Man has free choice.

 

[K Watt]

Where does that say “Calvinists believe God creates men with no opportunity for salvation“?

It says that God chooses and what the man does has nothing to do with it. He chooses some and not others and nothing we do matters. What don't you understand?

 

[solid_core]

Sure. Man has free choice.

And you will not provide quotations and sources?

 

[Hammster]

It says that God chooses and what the man does has nothing to do with it. He chooses some and not others and nothing we do matters. What don't you understand?

How does that equate with no man has opportunity?

 

[Hammster]

And you will not provide quotations and sources?

Everywhere in scripture where it says for man to choose one thing or another.

 

[solid_core]

Everywhere in scripture where it says for man to choose one thing or another.

Official calvinistic sources.

 

[Hammster]

Official calvinistic sources.

I’m not going to dig around for it.

 

[K Watt]

How does that equate with no man has opportunity?

Not no man, but not everyman.

Calvinism teaches that God doesn't judge men by their actions, but chooses to withhold his grace from some thereby sending them hell with no chance at salvation.

 

[solid_core]

I’m not going to dig around for it.

Interesting that you require us to dig around for what we say.

But when you say something, we are obviously supposed to take your word for it.

 

[Hammster]

Not no man, but not everyman.

Calvinism teaches that God doesn't judge men by their actions, but chooses to withhold his grace from some thereby sending them hell with no chance at salvation.

That says a lot about your beliefs. Why do you think God owes anyone grace?

 

[Hammster]

Interesting that you require us to dig around for what we say.

But when you say something, we are obviously supposed to take your word for it.

You don’t have to.

 

[K Watt]

That says a lot about your beliefs. Why do you think God owes anyone grace?

He owes us nothing, but he promises that ALL MEN will be drawn to Christ and that he loved the world so much that he sent Christ to die for the world.

Grace is not just a special gift for your club, it is for everyone.

You should be happy about that.

 

[Hammster]

He owes us nothing, but he promises that ALL MEN will be drawn to Christ and that he loved the world so much that he sent Christ to die for the world.

Grace is not just a special gift for your club, it is for everyone.

You should be happy about that.

What is meant by draw?