Is believing in creationism (e.g. that lifeforms were independently created) required for salvation?

[pitabread]

I've long tried to figure out the point of creationist beliefs. It's been quite well established on this forum that creationist beliefs offer no scientific value. And given that all the organizations promoting creationism are inherently religious in nature, the only reason for creationist beliefs seems to be theological.

Thus, is creationism* as a belief required to be a Christian? Is it required for salvation?

Is anyone who is not a creationist doomed to go to Hell?

*(For the purpose of this thread, I am defining creationism as the belief that life forms on Earth were independently created by a supernatural being and not a result of biological evolution.)

 

[Danielwright2311]

I've long tried to figure out the point of creationist beliefs. It's been quite well established on this forum that creationist beliefs offer no scientific value. And given that all the organizations promoting creationism are inherently religious in nature, the only reason for creationist beliefs seems to be theological.

Thus, is creationism as a belief required to be a Christian? Is it required for salvation?

If you belive God , my question is this

Why not belive God? What's the problem with it?

Now God said he created all things in 6 days then rested on the 7th

When you say he did not do this, you are saying you dont belive in his power.

 

[pitabread]

Now God said he created all things in 6 days then rested on the 7th

When you say he did not do this, you are saying you dont belive in his power.

But does that mean a someone who doesn't believe God created life forms in that literal fashion can't be a Christian? Is this belief required to be a Christian?

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

It doesn't have to be Christian. I have had conversations with a Vedic Creationist (Hindu, very intellectual, but ultimately pretty much the same arguments) before and obviously Muslims believe in creationism as well. And I've been told several times that it's not a salvation issue, but accepting evolution does tend to bring into question the credibility of the bible and causes all kinds of issues with the person's theology leading to a crisis of faith and ultimately the eternal damnation of their souls. Or something.

 

[Eloy Craft]

No. Good Christian theology takes empirical proofs seriously. St Augustine taught that if something is proven to contradict current theology then it's the duty of the theologian to consider that theology wrong and seek out the truth. The earth as the center of the universe comes to mind as one of those empirical proofs.

 

[Danielwright2311]

But does that mean a someone who doesn't believe God created life forms in that literal fashion can't be a Christian? Is this belief required to be a Christian?

Well my good friend faith is belief in God and his power over all creation.

How can you belive Jesus died then rose three days latter but not belive in God creating us?

So yes, if you can not belive God created all things, then you can not belive the power of God.

 

[pitabread]

So yes, if you can not belive God created all things, then you can not belive the power of God.

So are you saying that a person can't be a Christian and can't be saved if they don't believe that life forms were independently created?

I just want to be clear on what you are saying.

 

[PloverWing]

Thus, is creationism* as a belief required to be a Christian? Is it required for salvation?

Christians believe that God created all things, but Christians are not required to believe in "creationism". Many Christians agree with the mainstream scientific view of origins -- that the earth is old, and that species developed through the process of biological evolution.

 

[Drought of the Heart]

I've long tried to figure out the point of creationist beliefs. It's been quite well established on this forum that creationist beliefs offer no scientific value. And given that all the organizations promoting creationism are inherently religious in nature, the only reason for creationist beliefs seems to be theological.

Thus, is creationism* as a belief required to be a Christian? Is it required for salvation?

Is anyone who is not a creationist doomed to go to Hell?

*(For the purpose of this thread, I am defining creationism as the belief that life forms on Earth were independently created by a supernatural being and not a result of biological evolution.)

Believe in the Bible KJV , Believe Jesus Christ suffered , died and rose for us stay away from anything else

 

[Danielwright2311]

So are you saying that a person can't be a Christian and can't be saved if they don't believe that life forms were independently created?

I just want to be clear on what you are saying.

Before I can answer I need to know

Do you belive Jesus died on the cross then rose three days latter and he died for our sins?

 

[TuxAme]

If the Christian God does exist, and an evolutionist atheist stands before Him for judgement, I don't think it's outside of His power to save that individual. I don't limit Him in such a way. After all, they're finally going to believe in Him at that point.

Whether He does this or not depends on many things, such as how they lived their lives and the cause of their unbelief in life.

 

[TuxAme]

Believe in the Bible KJV

And for those believers who existed before the invention of that translation?

 

[pitabread]

Do you belive Jesus died on the cross then rose three days latter and he died for our sins?

No. My profile lists me as "agnostic". I don't know whether or not there is a supernatural deity responsible for the creation of the universe. And my own belief (or lack thereof) does not have any impact on the existence of such a deity.

I also believe all of the world's religions are man-made and cultural in nature based on both the history of religion and its current geographic distribution.

 

[Danielwright2311]

No. My profile lists me as "agnostic". I don't know whether or not there is a supernatural deity responsible for the creation of the universe. And my own belief (or lack thereof) does not have any impact on the existence of such a deity.

I also believe all of the world's religions are man-made and cultural in nature based on both the history of religion and its current geographic distribution.

Then you can not be a Christian

A Christian is some one who believes in Jesus as Christ being a CHIRST-TIAN

one WHO BELIVES JESUS

SO

HERE IS MY ANSWER

NO

YOU ARE NOT SAVED BY JESUS WHO SAVES YOU FROM SIN AND HELL AS A CHRISTIAN.

 

[pitabread]

Then you can not be a Christian

My question wasn't about belief in Jesus.

My question is whether belief in creationism (i.e. belief that life forms were independently created and not 'evolved') is required to be a Christian.

If you aren't going to provide a clear answer on the question I originally asked, then there isn't any point in replying.

 

[Danielwright2311]

My question wasn't about belief in Jesus.

My question is whether belief in creationism (i.e. belief that life forms were independently created and not 'evolved') is required to be a Christian.

As Jesus is the only one who can save you from sin and hell then yes you was asking about Jesus

You just did not know it at the time my friend.

In your heart you know the way to be saved but reject it so this is not God, its your own choice.

JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY TRUTH AND LIGHT.

 

[HereIStand]

No. Belief in a literal creation isn't required. Be suspicious of arguments in favor of a bare minimum threshold of belief required to be a Christian. It shouldn't be about how little dogma one is required to embrace.

 

[pitabread]

As Jesus is the only one who can save you from sin and hell then yes you was asking about Jesus

You just did not know it at the time my friend.

In your heart you know the way to be saved but reject it so this is not God, its your own choice.

I'm going to put you on ignore now since you appear unable to answer the question in the OP and have decided you'd rather preach at me instead. Which, btw, having been on a Christian forum for some time is something I've gotten more than a little used to and it hasn't worked yet.

 

[Chinchilla]

I've long tried to figure out the point of creationist beliefs. It's been quite well established on this forum that creationist beliefs offer no scientific value. And given that all the organizations promoting creationism are inherently religious in nature, the only reason for creationist beliefs seems to be theological.

Thus, is creationism* as a belief required to be a Christian? Is it required for salvation?

Is anyone who is not a creationist doomed to go to Hell?

*(For the purpose of this thread, I am defining creationism as the belief that life forms on Earth were independently created by a supernatural being and not a result of biological evolution.)

No it's not but evolution and big bang are stumbling blocks for people who want to believe in Yah , found out that when you show to people that these things are actually not proven and not science ( not proven by repeatable , observable scientific experiment ) but are just theories then people become more open minded for arguing for existence of designer and creator .

Salvation is by grace through faith in Christ alone and his sacrifice on cross which was enought to pay all sin debt so we can be forgiven.

Minimum requiments to be saved is :
1) Believing that God exist
2) Believing that you are sinner and need saviour
3) Put faith in God and his son Jesus Christ which was sacrifice to atone for your sins

I know there are people who believe that Christ died for thier sins but they also believe in evolution and big bang made by God .
This is contradiction to the bible because evolution makes death appear before sin , while Bible tells us there was no death before man sin .

But they still are my brothers and sisters in Christ because of thier faith in Christ's atonement .

 

[pitabread]

No it's not but evolution and big bang are stumbling blocks for people who want to believe in Yah , found out that when you show to people that these things are actually not proven and not science

Except that evolution and the BB *are* science (and based on the observations of our world and universe). It's nonsensical to suggest they aren't, especially in light of the fact that it's been established that creationism has no benefit to the sciences.

But they still are my brothers and sisters in Christ because of thier faith in Christ's atonement

That seems to be the prevailing sentiment here.