Is believing in creationism (e.g. that lifeforms were independently created) required for salvation?

[Speedwell]

How can you desire to become an American and not believe in the Constitution on which it's founded?

That implies the doctrine of Sola Scriptura which is not accepted by all Christians. Is Sola Scriptura required for salvation?

 

[Speedwell]

Let me ask you a question and hopefully you can be honest in your answer.... if you don't believe that God created all things, as His Word says, then how do you believe that the same God can redeem you, offer you salvation?

He did create all things. Evolution and the creatures it produces are His handiwork.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

So we have to deny our own eyes that show the earth is billions of years old and life on it evolved?

How can you make such a statement... have you seen "with our own eyes" anything that is supposedly billions of years old? You may have seen an old object that you were told was billions of years old but if you were not told that objects age, would you reason it's age just from it's appearance?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Instead of being mealy-mouthed about it, why not just answer the question directly?

Is belief in independent creation of living organisms required to be a Christian. Yes or no?

So now you're going to resort to insults? I did answer your question if you read what I wrote.

Typically, when hostility is shown to a reasoned inquiry, it's because it touched a nerve of truth that's not willing to be accepted.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

He did create all things. Evolution and the creatures it produces are His handiwork.

No, I asked "as His Word says"... He did not infer evolution at all. How can you reject a part of His Holy Word and yet accept another part? Convenience?

 

[USincognito]

Let me ask you a question and hopefully you can be honest in your answer.... if you don't believe that God created all things, as His Word says, then how do you believe that the same God can redeem you, offer you salvation?

Looks like we've got someone who doesn't understand the difference between Creationism and God creating.

 

[pitabread]

So now you're going to resort to insults? I did answer your question if you read what I wrote.

You didn't answer it directly. That's what "mealy-mouthed" means.

I asked a direct question that basically requires a yes or no answer. Everyone answering "no" seems to have no problem with that. Whereas most of your responses were in the form of questions, which is not how a simple question is answered.

Based on your responses, I assume you are suggesting that yes, belief in independent creation is required for salvation and that one cannot be a Christian otherwise.

I don't know why you can't just answer "yes" if that is what you believe.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

That implies the doctrine of Sola Scriptura which is not accepted by all Christians. Is Sola Scriptura required for salvation?

It's interesting that the Nicene Creed is upheld as more truthful than the Word of God is on these forums...

As a minimum, you must believe "every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God".

 

[USincognito]

No, I asked "as His Word says"... He did not infer evolution at all. How can you reject a part of His Holy Word and yet accept another part? Convenience?

You seem to be confusing "interprets differently" with "rejecting". No Christian rejects any part of the Bible. That's is a libelous and borderline CF rule violating falsehood that Creationists spread.

 

[Speedwell]

No, I asked "as His Word says"... He did not infer evolution at all. How can you reject a part of His Holy Word and yet accept another part? Convenience?

I don't reject any of it. I just interpret parts of it differently than you do.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Looks like we've got someone who doesn't understand the difference between Creationism and God creating.

Please enlighten me.... show me in the Bible were God implies the evolutionary concept?

 

[Speedwell]

Please enlighten me.... show me in the Bible were God implies the evolutionary concept?

There is no such part. The Bible does not address the topic of evolution.

 

[USincognito]

How can you make such a statement... have you seen "with our own eyes" anything that is supposedly billions of years old?

Yes.

(see that's how you answer a question)

You may have seen an old object that you were told was billions of years old but if you were not told that objects age, would you reason it's age just from it's appearance?

You're confusing listening to a preacher with being a layman interested in science who can actually investigate the claims himself. There are numerous dating methods and observations that show the earth and life on it is very, very old. You might be unfamiliar with those observations, but I am familiar with them.

 

[USincognito]

Please enlighten me.... show me in the Bible were God implies the evolutionary concept?

The same place God implies plate tectonic theory, dynamo theory, the theory of relativity and germ theory of disease. It's also in the book and chapter where internal combustion, hydraulic elevator systems, refrigeration and representative democracy are discussed.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

You seem to be confusing "interprets differently" with "rejecting". No Christian rejects any part of the Bible. That's is a libelous and borderline CF rule violating falsehood that Creationists spread.

You are speaking for Christians now as an atheist? That's rich.... you can't misinterpret the creation account in Genesis. You can reject it or seek to alter it in your own intellectualism but the Word is plain as written. "And the evening and the morning were the 1st day"

As far a those who call themselves Christians, I addressed that in a previous post. But you are more than welcome to report me for these supposed offenses.

 

[juvenissun]

I've long tried to figure out the point of creationist beliefs. It's been quite well established on this forum that creationist beliefs offer no scientific value. And given that all the organizations promoting creationism are inherently religious in nature, the only reason for creationist beliefs seems to be theological.

Thus, is creationism* as a belief required to be a Christian? Is it required for salvation?

Is anyone who is not a creationist doomed to go to Hell?

*(For the purpose of this thread, I am defining creationism as the belief that life forms on Earth were independently created by a supernatural being and not a result of biological evolution.)

No.
There are Christians in this forum who are, unfortunately, evolutionists.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

I don't reject any of it. I just interpret parts of it differently than you do.

How do you interpret "and the evening and morning were the second day" as anything other than what it says? How do you reason that God made the grass and trees on the 3rd day but not the animals to pollinate them til the 6th day? Is this even remotely possible in a "millions of years" separation of creation days? No.

 

[pitabread]

There are Christians in this forum who are, unfortunately, evolutionists.

Why "unfortunately"? If belief in independent creation of biological forms isn't required for salvation and to be a Christian, then why does it matter?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

There is no such part. The Bible does not address the topic of evolution.

Maybe because it didn't happen that way? Beware the word of man over the Word of God.

 

[USincognito]

Because you lack faith, you of course could not understand how these things could exist in God's universe. Because you reject God, you must find an alternative explanation for these things. I do not...

Can't argue against what I wrote. Attacks me instead.

Good luck with that.