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Is belief enough to be saved?

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patricius79 said:
according to Scripture we must put to death the deeds of the flesh and suffer with Christ in order to be saved Rom 8:13, 17 (I think that is the right verse)

"he who endures to the end will be saved"
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Well, that is what Faith will go for a person. I mean, it's not as though the above conflicts with Sola Fide or teaches works-righteousness.
 
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Albion said:
Well, that is what Faith will go for a person. I mean, it's not as though the above conflicts with Sola Fide or teaches works-righteousness.
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some hold that Sola Fide means that once we have faith there is nothing we need to do to be saved

I think those verses say otherwise. however, I would always emphasize that these are supernatural works, and that we are saved purely by grace

and as Paul says, "I worked harder than anyone, not I, but the grace of God with me!"
 
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patricius79 said:
some hold that Sola Fide means that once we have faith there is nothing we need to do to be saved
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I think "nothing we do to be saved" is somewhat of a loaded way of saying it, but the point is that it is only by faith that we are saved, and there's nothing in either of these two statements that conflicts with Sola Fide.

put to death the deeds of the flesh and suffer with Christ
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he who endures to the end will be saved"
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read acts 15:8. God knows the heart. its belief AND receiving of the SPirit. one can believe all they want. but one must believe and receive the Spirit(baptism) mark 16:16. believe and be baptized. Read the many verses that says when we believe we receive the SPirit. but the Belief is the FAITH in the gospel as in we ACCEPT it into our hearts which GOD sees. So belief only yes sort of. belief with the receiving of the SPirit baptism saves. SAVED BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH(or belief in the gospel message and accepting it into your heart.) the accepting in to your heart part is the through faith.
 
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Albion said:
I think "nothing we do to be saved" is somewhat of a loaded way of saying it, but the point is that it is only by faith that we are saved, and there's nothing in either of these two statements that conflicts with Sola Fide.
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well actualy what you said is loaded too. its saved by grace THROUGH faith. its the "through faith" part we need to understand. which i explained a bit above. belief in the gospel message of the work of the cross and accepting this into your heart, which God knows. its this faith that is the "through faith" part. And at this point we are spirit baptized. mark 16:16. believe and are (spirit)baptized.
 
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Schroeder said:
well actualy what you said is loaded too. its saved by grace THROUGH faith.
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In these conversations, that's assumed. Both the Catholic and the Protestant POVs--Faith and Works OR Sola Fide--understand that everything begins with God's enabling Grace.
 
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