Is belief enough to be saved?

[simonthezealot]

You see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. James 2:24

James is not speaking about specifically procuring justification here...Only declaring it, even the best of works are imperfect my friend.

 

[Albion]

If you were to reproduce the whole of the verse (as was done a few posts back), it would be apparent that the meaning is Faith, not mere comprehension.

 

[simonthezealot]

Amen. God promises that if we believe in His Son and receive His Son as our Savior, He would not condemn us, but rather give us eternal life (John 3:16-18; 3:36; 4:14; 5:24; 6:26-27; 6:35-40; 6:47-51; 6:54; 10:27-29; 11:25-26; 12:44-46;17:1-1-5; Romans 6:22-23; 10:9-10; 1 Corinthians 1:4-9;2 Corinthians 5:17-19; Ephesians 1:13-14; Titus 1:2; 3:4-7; John 5:9-13; 1 John 5:20). He even gave us His own testimony about what He would do for us if we believed in His Son. He said that if we believe in Jesus, He would give us eternal life (1 John 5:10-11). He promised us that if we believe in Jesus and receive Him as our Savior, we would be born of Him and we would become His children (John 1:12-13). He promised us that if we believe and have faith in Jesus, He would forgive us, justify us, and redeem us through the blood of Jesus shed for us on the cross (Isaiah 1:18; Matthew 26:28; Romans 3:21-26; 5:1-11; 2 Corinthians 5:21; Ephesians 1:7-14; 2:13; Colossians 2:11-15; Hebrews 9:11-15; 10:1-22; Titus 3:4-7; 1 Peter 1:18-21; 1 John 1:5-10; 2:1-2).

"8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them." Ephesians 2:8-10

"7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace 8 which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence, 9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, 10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him." Ephesians 1:7-10

WORD.

 

[simonthezealot]

If you were to reproduce the whole of the verse (as was done a few posts back), it would be apparent that the meaning is Faith, not mere comprehension.

Agreed.
Just wanted it to be established guess i skipped over that.

 

[Lion King]

Jesus said 'Whosoever believes' - He didn't put any if's, and's or buts' man has put those in. If you believe, the works will follow.

That's not necessarily true...

Although, Balaam (and Judas Iscariot) had faith in God, they still did not do what was right in the eyes of the LORD. The prophet Balaam believed in the one living God (for he talked with God literally), but unfortunately, fell to his demise due to his own foolishness.

 

[Albion]

Agreed.
Just wanted it to be established guess i skipped over that.

I know. I shouldn't have bothered with that post of mine.

 

[B-74]

Jesus said 'Whosoever believes' - He didn't put any if's, and's or buts' man has put those in. If you believe, the works will follow.

Although i think we agree i must point out...


Mr 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

Mt 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock

49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth;

Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Joh 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me

Joh 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

 

[Lion King]

Wow. Where did Jesus say this exactly?

But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. Romans 2:5-10

 

[Lion King]

James is not speaking about specifically procuring justification here...Only declaring it, even the best of works are imperfect my friend.

The works of all the saints are perfect in the eyes of the LORD, because it is God who is doing His work in us. Faith, along with Love and Hope are all works of God...

Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”

Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves. Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it. John 14:8-14

 

[Sojourner1]

Works are proof of salvation not a requirement for salvation. Those who say they are saved and yet show no evidence of being saved are probably not saved. We are to believe and then follow Christ, not believe and then continue to follow our own will and desires.

2 Corinthians 5:17
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."

Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

 

[Whisper of Hope]

Works are proof of salvation not a requirement for salvation. Those who say they are saved and yet show no evidence of being saved are probably not saved. We are to believe and then follow Christ, not believe and then continue to follow our own will and desires.

2 Corinthians 5:17
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."

Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

 

[Lion King]

Works are proof of salvation not a requirement for salvation. Those who say they are saved and yet show no evidence of being saved are probably not saved. We are to believe and then follow Christ, not believe and then continue to follow our own will and desires.

2 Corinthians 5:17
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."

Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

I often wonder about this, are works not a requirement of salvation? How we will be judged before God? Is it not by our works?

“And to the angel of the church in Sardis write,

‘These things says He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars: “I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead. Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God. Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you. You have a few names even in Sardis who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy. He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”’ Revelation 3:1-6

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But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek; but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. Romans 2:5-10

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And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:12-15

 

[Biblefreak]

No it's not. As listed above the scripture in Romans says you must confess with your mouth. So that is another action that must take place. Notice it does not to mearly think it. But, actually say it outloud.

 

[simonthezealot]

I often wonder about this, are works not a requirement of salvation? How we will be judged before God? Is it not by our works?

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rewards for works at the JSOC, which is the judgment of BELIEVERS, not a judgment to salvation...We are saved by faith which is a gift of God and some saved will show NO works.


14If any man’s work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. 15If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

 

[Sojourner1]

I often wonder about this, are works not a requirement of salvation? How we will be judged before God? Is it not by our works?

My answer would be that when we are standing before God and He judges us He isn't doing so to determine or salvation because our salvation is by faith alone (Hebrews 2:8,9), but rather He is judging our works in order that He might reward us. Our foundation (salvation) is Christ and that foundation is secure and eternal and bought with the blood of Christ. What is built on that foundation is what is judged (the works), and those works can be gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw (see 1 Corinthians 3:11-15).

 

[Whisper of Hope]

rewards for works at the JSOC, which is the judgment of BELIEVERS, not a judgment to salvation...We are saved by faith which is a gift of God and some saved will show NO works.


14If any man’s work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. 15If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

Amen. Well said, brother.

My answer would be that when we are standing before God and He judges us He isn't doing so to determine or salvation because our salvation is by faith alone (Hebrews 2:8,9), but rather He is judging our works in order that He might reward us. Our foundation (salvation) is Christ and that foundation is secure and eternal and bought with the blood of Christ. What is built on that foundation is what is judged (the works), and those works can be gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw (see 1 Corinthians 3:11-15).

Amen. Well said, sister.

 

[Lion King]

My answer would be that when we are standing before God and He judges us He isn't doing so to determine or salvation because our salvation is by faith alone (Hebrews 2:8,9), but rather He is judging our works in order that He might reward us. Our foundation (salvation) is Christ and that foundation is secure and eternal and bought with the blood of Christ. What is built on that foundation is what is judged (the works), and those works can be gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw (see 1 Corinthians 3:11-15).

What happens to those whose works have not been found to be perfect before the LORD? Won't they be thrown into the lake of fire?

But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek; but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. Romans 2:5-10

 

[Lion King]

rewards for works at the JSOC, which is the judgment of BELIEVERS, not a judgment to salvation...We are saved by faith which is a gift of God and some saved will show NO works.


14If any man’s work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. 15If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

I'm not too familiar with the term JSOC?

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. Ephesians 2:8-10

Do you know what will happen to a person with faith, but no good works? Tell me if you know?


“And to the angel of the church in Sardis write,

‘These things says He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars: “I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead. Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God. Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you. You have a few names even in Sardis who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy. He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”’ Revelation 3:1-6

 

[simonthezealot]

I'm not too familiar with the term JSOC?
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Do you know what will happen to a person with faith, but no good works? Tell me if you know?

JSOC judgment seat of Christ, the BEMA seat (believers)not to be confused with the White throne of judgment. (sheep's and goats)...

Faith and no works.
15If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

While embarrassed this judgment is NOT related to sin, it shows we will receive no reward save salvation itself...Which of course is huge in itself.

Paul continually writes in a sporstman like competitive nature that we need to be out running the race and things like that...Why because of the heavenly rewards.(crown of righteousness etc.) (He is speaking to the elect!)

 

[Lion King]

JSOC judgment seat of Christ, the BEMA seat (believers)not to be confused with the White throne of judgment. (sheep's and goats)...

Faith and no works.
15If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

While embarrassed this judgment is NOT related to sin, it shows we will receive no reward save salvation itself...Which of course is huge in itself.

Paul continually writes in a sporstman like competitive nature that we need to be out running the race and things like that...Why because of the heavenly rewards.(crown of righteousness etc.) (He is speaking to the elect!)

Oh, so you believe a person will be saved because of their faith regardless of their deeds. I'm sorry, but unfortunately, we do not share the same views on this matter.

Do you know the story of Balaam? Why did the LORD destroy Balaam, even though he had faith in the LORD?