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Is Belief a Choice?

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So when you studied the numerous prophesies, many of which are verified by history and/or archeology, ancient writings etc. that was not acceptable evidence to you?

Please provide the verse(s) of the most convincing one.

"Belief is not a choice". What one believes is what one believes there's no "force" to it ... if you don't believe something ... that's your choice ... a belief can be based on something or it can be based on nothing.

Choose to believe you can fly w/o artificial means? Can you? Is it really a choice? Do you really believe you can fly by choice?

No need to address the further responses below...
 
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Regardless, I was a practicing Christian for decades and did not 'hear' anything. My 'heart' was 'open' for decades. So if Christianity is true, either I still had many 'filters - (hardened heart)', or, God apparently passed over me.
God is rich unto all that call upon him (Romans 10:9-13), so you obviously lacked the faith that a person must have to be saved, but drew back rather into perdition (Hebrews 10:38-39). You simply chose not to believe, nor did you allow your heart to be conditioned to it. If you had desired or chosen to believe, you wouldn't make excuses as to why you fell away.
 
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I have no desire to hold beliefs that are not true. If God exists and the claims of Christianity are true than I want to know. I didn't choose to be an atheist I just haven't found any information that would cause me to believe otherwise. In fact I've only become more confident in my position the more I've looked into these things.
 
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So when you studied the numerous prophesies, many of which are verified by history and/or archeology, ancient writings etc. that was not acceptable evidence to you?
The prophecies in the Bible are usually too vague and many have not come true. Tyre still exists and Egypt never had a 40 year stretch of being unpopulated and barren.
 
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so you obviously lacked the faith that a person must have to be saved, but drew back rather into perdition (Hebrews 10:38-39). You simply chose not to believe, nor did you allow your heart to be conditioned to it. If you had desired or chosen to believe, you wouldn't make excuses as to why you fell away.

This is mighty presumptuous!

I guess you would be required to make such an assertion, otherwise the book you adhere to, as reality and fact, would instead be patently false ;)

But I hate to burst your bubble.... I was a devout believer for decades.

Sorry. This is one of the reasons I'm on here now.
 
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I have no desire to hold beliefs that are not true. If God exists and the claims of Christianity are true than I want to know. I didn't choose to be an atheist I just haven't found any information that would cause me to believe otherwise. In fact I've only become more confident in my position the more I've looked into these things.
Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."

Atheists seem to have a problem with believing something based upon whether or not they can see it with their eyes.
 
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This is mighty presumptuous!

I guess you would be required to make such an assertion, otherwise the book you adhere to, as reality and fact, would instead be patently false ;)

But I hate to burst your bubble.... I was a devout believer for decades.

Sorry. This is one of the reasons I'm on here now.
1 John 2:19 "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us."
 
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The prophecies in the Bible are usually too vague and many have not come true. Tyre still exists and Egypt never had a 40 year stretch of being unpopulated and barren.

It's called accepting the hits and ignoring the misses. And when this person responds, we shall see accordingly...
 
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Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."

Atheists seem to have a problem with believing something based upon whether or not they can see it with their eyes.
It's about what we can observe in any way. I can't see air or wind but we can measure it.

If we can't detect something in anyway whatsoever what reason do we have for believing that thing exists?
 
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My point is that true belief is not a choice. Otherwise, please explain the other posts, relating to jumping, and 'believing' you can fly.
I disagree. When you come by some evidence it is a choice to what credence you give that evidence and what you choose to make of it.
 
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Please provide the verse(s) of the most convincing one.

Choose to believe you can fly w/o artificial means? Can you? Is it really a choice? Do you really believe you can fly by choice?

No need to address the further responses below...

]Please provide the verse(s) of the most convincing one. What are the one you found not convincing?

If you don't have ability of choice .... we make all kinds of choices just living everyday life.

choice - an act of selecting or making a decision when faced with two or more possibilities

you can choose to try and fly without artificial means ... or choose not to
 
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It's called accepting the hits and ignoring the misses. And when this person responds, we shall see accordingly...
You have claimed this before. I think that goes with the unbelivers as well. You ignore the hits and focus on what you believe are the misses...even when those misses have an explanation.
 
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1 John 2:19 "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us."

Throwing scripture at me is about as useful as me throwing a verse back at you, where you have skepticism of the author :) So please stop.

How about instead addressing why a divine being would eternally condemn someone for an attribute in which they cannot control (i.e.) belief.
 
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You have claimed this before. I think that goes with the unbelivers as well. You ignore the hits and focus on what you believe are the misses...even when those misses have an explanation.

Yes, because all believers in their holy texts assert the same thing ;)
 
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It's about what we can observe in any way. I can't see air or wind but we can measure it.

If we can't detect something in anyway whatsoever what reason do we have for believing that thing exists?
We can detect it, but that is where choice comes in. :)
 
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It's about what we can observe in any way. I can't see air or wind but we can measure it.

If we can't detect something in anyway whatsoever what reason do we have for believing that thing exists?
Science is the measurement, observation, and study of the physical world. However, science can't measure emotion, but rather only the physical manifestation of a person's emotional response on the outside. It cannot measure logic, but rather can only measure a person's ability again on the outside. Science cannot explain where a conscience comes from. These are not material things, but these are things we experience, yet not with our eyes. Science is limited in its observation and study because it's limit is based upon the fact that the entire of creation is not all in a natural, physical state. Science can only measure and study what is tangible. There are many experiences in our human condition that lead us to understand that there is that which lies beyond tangibility.

Therefore, to rule out the existence of God based upon this assumption is the same thing as saying that a log cabin wasn't built by a man 200 years ago just because you can't find any remnant of the man who built it.
 
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]we make all kinds of choices just living everyday life.

Choices, yes. Belief is not one of them. I can 'choose' to run a red light. I may actually get away with it. However, does that then mean I do not believe it is against the law? I cannot MAKE myself believe that running red lights is no longer against the law, even if I continue to choose to run them ;)

Please provide your best prophecy?
 
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Throwing scripture at me is about as useful as me throwing a verse back at you, where you have skepticism of the author :) So please stop.

How about instead addressing why a divine being would eternally condemn someone for an attribute in which they cannot control (i.e.) belief.
All are condemned because all of us have sinned (Romans 3:23); we have committed evil acts, and loved evil rather than light, whether it be lying, stealing, murdering, raping, pillaging, lusting, coveting, etc. These are all deeds of unrighteousness that cause death, destruction, mayhem and peril in the world and its our fault completely. We die because we sin. God condemns us because we deserve it, period. A divine being created us to be in perfect relationship with him with the free will to disobey him (the source of life), thereby severing ourselves from the source of life through our own pride and lust and causing death to come into the world and to pass upon all our descendants.

You blame God, but we can only blame ourselves for our condemnation. My God is a loving, kind, and merciful God who is just and holy; he will avenge all unrighteousness.

You think it's God's fault why the world is the way it is, but the truth is that God is the only one providing the solution. And you hate him for it.

John 3:19-20 "And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds be reproved."
 
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