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Is being Wiccan moral?

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GOD4ME said:
This was suposed to be a debate topic. Not a promotion of Wiccan. I did not offend anyone In my first thread I simply stated my opinion.

Yes, stating that wiccans are evil and satanic doesnt offend anyone:rolleyes:

I got very neuative reports. This is a Christian site not a potion disscusion site.

Potion discussion site? Wow, your really bigoted arent you?

Now I know I'm going to get alot of threads saying that I'm religiosly insesitive. However I will let you know that I am Iraqi and I have also studied Islam. So in closing if you are Wiccan and you wan't talk about potions holidays and symbles. You can do two things listen to my ideas about christianity and except it. Or you can find or start a different forum on Wiccan. Happy holidays!!!!!!! :wave:

Were fine listening to your ideas, but if your going to bash a religion when you obviously know nothing about it, then its just flaming.

PS. Again God loves you! And he want's you, but you have to except him!! There's no second chances after that. Think of love during the holidays!!!!! :angel:
 
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GOD4ME said:
You talked to one Wiccan. That is not enough to pass your point. Also your defining respect wrong. I respect every religion and or cult on this planet. I'm just saying that if these Wiccans would like to talk about or promote their religion they should do it on a different forum. :prayer:

PS. Merry Christmas!!!!!! :wave:
How the heck are they promoting their religion? They are having a discussion about it. You then came barging in her saying how they were evil and satanic.
 
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I talked to a wiccen who said he loved the power over other people. This is imoral !!!!
--I talked to a Christian once who said he loved the power over other people. Apparently, then I can say all Christians are immoral because I met one power-mad one.

Or, I should do what you should do...research before I shoot my mouth off and show that I know nothing about the subject I'm talking about.
 
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GOD4ME said:
Civilized discussion? Look who's swearing!!!!

PS. YOU don't like it leave!!!!
It seems like the only one who has a problem here is YOU. YOUR the one who came in here and started blindly flaming everyone. It would appear that your the one dissatisifed, therefore I believe your the one who should leave if your not pleased with how this forum operates.
 
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Oh my. Now I don't know what to think. I have 2 friends who are wiccan, and I'm at a crossroads as to what to think. I ask them questions and listen to what Wicca is all about and stuff, even though they know that I don't necessarily agree with it, but then I am told that Wicca is evil because it is witchcraft, and then pagans/wiccans say that they are not into witchcraft. I'm still fairly new to my faith, and I'm very confused as to what I should do or think. *crying*
 
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armed2010 said:
Your doing a good job at making yourself look bad, thats for sure. Youve misrepresented the wiccan religion, made yourself look like an a-hole, and have generally flamed everyone here. I suggest you take a rest and come back when your ready for a civilized discussion.

Well, whatever may have happened, he isn't using swear words or calling anyone names. He has every bit the right to express his views without being called a troll as anyone else. If he's upset, that's how he reacts to this. You don't agree with it. Okay. But swearing and namecalling simply aren't appropriate for any reason.
 
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Whitehorse said:
Well, whatever may have happened, he isn't using swear words or calling anyone names. He has every bit the right to express his views without being called a troll as anyone else. If he's upset, that's how he reacts to this. You don't agree with it. Okay. But swearing and namecalling simply aren't appropriate for any reason.
Im peeved because he prettymuch misrepresented the entire religion in the first place and just went on a huge flame rampage. I agree that he has every right to express his views, but the way he did it was the equivilant of a Fred Phelps anti gay rally.
 
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God4me,

I think your love for the truth is holy, and I'm glad you're concerned and want to share the gospel. I'm delighted that what offends God offends you, too. But it's not a bad thing wiccans and pagans and atheists are here. This is a chance to share God's love and learn to understand them. When they see the love in us, perhaps they will see Jesus, too.

Blessings,
Whitehorse
 
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Ummm...... you call this flaming. No wicca would not be moral because it emphasizes power over other human beings. Evil is the basis of control. Lucifer wanted power instead of love that is why he became evil. Putting curses on somone means you hate that person and wish to make his life a living hell. This is hate and hate is evil and imoral.

Here's somthing from a website. "...Unlike most mainstream religions, Witchcraft does not have a long list of laws governing our behavior. Witches generally adhere to what has become known as "THE WICCAN REDE" and THE THREE-FOLD LAW. These two principles contain the basics of what Witches define as ethical and moral behavior within the Craft and the society in which we live...." You say I'm not excepting your when your the ones who's not excepting mine. I don't know why a bunch of people who practice witchcraft would like to become a member of a Christian website. Do they wan't to put curses on somone? :yawn:
 
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GOD4ME said:
Ummm...... you call this flaming. No wicca would not be moral because it emphasizes power over other human beings.

No it doesnt, please read up on the religion before making false statements like this again

Evil is the basis of control. Lucifer wanted power instead of love that is why he became evil. Putting curses on somone means you hate that person and wish to make his life a living hell. This is hate and hate is evil and imoral.

And wicca does not promote power and control over others, once again, read up on the religion

Here's somthing from a website. "...Unlike most mainstream religions, Witchcraft does not have a long list of laws governing our behavior. Witches generally adhere to what has become known as "THE WICCAN REDE" and THE THREE-FOLD LAW. These two principles contain the basics of what Witches define as ethical and moral behavior within the Craft and the society in which we live...." You say I'm not excepting your when your the ones who's not excepting mine. I don't know why a bunch of people who practice witchcraft would like to become a member of a Christian website. Do they wan't to put curses on somone? :yawn:

Perhaps they like to DEBATE religion? Thats why I am here, and why a lot of other people are here. Also, you have shown nothing that promotes power and control over others within these laws
 
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here's some stuff from Wiccan web sites
http://www.wicca.com/celtic/wicca/wicca.htm


Contrary to what those who choose to persecute or lie about us wish to believe, Wicca is a very peaceful, harmonious and balanced way of thinking and life which promotes oneness with the divine and all which exists.

Wicca is a deep appreciation and awe in watching the sunrise or sunset, the forest in the light of a glowing moon, a meadow enchanted by the first light of day. It is the morning dew on the petals of a beautiful flower, the gentle caress of a warm summer breeze upon your skin, or the warmth of the summer sun on your face. Wicca is the fall of colorful autumn leaves, and the softness of winter snow. It is light, and shadow and all that lies in between. It is the song of the birds and other creatures of the wild. It is being in the presence of Mother Earths nature and being humbled in reverence. When we are in the temple of the Lord and Lady, we are not prone to the arrogance of human technology as they touch our souls. To be a Witch is to be a healer, a teacher, a seeker, a giver, and a protector of all things. If this path is yours, may you walk it with honor, light and integrity.

Wicca is a belief system and way of life based upon the reconstruction of pre-Christian traditions originating in Ireland, Scotland, and Wales. While much of the information of how our ancestors lived, worshiped and believed has been lost due to the efforts of the medieval church to wipe our existence from history, we try to reconstruct those beliefs to the best of our ability with the information that is available.

With recent archaeological discoveries, we now have basis to believe that the origins of our belief system can be traced even further back to the Paleolithic peoples who worshipped a Hunter God and a Fertility Goddess. With the discovery of these cave paintings which have been dated to be around 30,000 years old depicting a man with the head of a stag, and a pregnant woman standing in a circle with eleven other people, it can reasonably be assumed that Witchcraft is the oldest religion known in the world toady. These archetypes are clearly recognized by Wiccan as our view of the Goddess and God aspect of the supreme creative force and predate Christianity by roughly 28,000 years making it a mere toddler in the spectrum of time as we know it. Sorry guy's, carbon dating is a little hard to dispute no matter how bad you want to try...

Witchcraft in ancient history was known as "The Craft of the Wise" because those who followed the path were healers, were in tune with the forces of nature, had a knowledge of Herbs and medicines, gave council and were valuable parts of the village and community as Shamanic leaders. They understood that mankind is not superior to nature, the earth and its creatures but instead we are simply one of the many parts, both seen and unseen that combine to make the whole. As Chief Seattle said; "We do not own the earth, we are part of it." These wise people understood that what we take or use, we must return in kind to maintain balance and equilibrium. Clearly, modern man with all his applied learning and technology has forgotten this. Subsequently, we currently face ecological disaster and eventual extinction because of our hunger for power and a few pieces of gold.

http://ayup.limey.net/~mikecap/Nephilim/kavision.html

think the Ka vision rules need to be clarified. You need to be in
Ka-vision for an hour to inscribe a spell, yet you have to make a Ka-vision
roll every ten minutes. That's six rolls at Kax3% (I believe).

Also, what exactly do you see in Ka-vision? Is it like infravision? Can you
read the auras of others? Can you see the Ka-elements of things - like
walls? Do Ka-elements drift like big blobs through the center of a room?

Alice Bailey gives a good description of the elemental fields in one of her
books - either The Destiny of Nations or Initiation Human and Solar. I found
the descriptions of what the fields actually look like to be unclear.

http://www.witchs-brew.com/shadows/

This is a Wiccan website

http://www.gemnaries.com/wicca.htm

Wicca, Witchcraft, and Occult Supplies


We sell talismans, amulets, love charms, and other products along with providing Wiccan witchcraft and occult information on this special page. Our catalog has an extensive line of pagan ritual tools for your altar, including athames, censors, scourges, pentacles and statues of the God and Goddess. Our wiccan jewelry pages have a myriad of finely crafted pentagrams, amulets, talismans, crowns and bracelets.

We have over 1500 products most in stock and ready for delivery. Whether you are looking for books on witchcraft and occult topics, oils, candles, crystal balls, incense, or spell supplies and kits, you’ll find it here, and if you don’t you will soon. New products are added every day, if there is something you are looking for let us know and we will get it for you.

As you can see Wiccan is clearly witchcraft. I think the big debate is if Wiccan is evil.
 
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GOD4ME said:
It depends how you define that. If you mean I want to make wiccieeeen loving pigtail movie watcher Christians look bad. Then your right I do! I don't know any moral Christians who promote Wiccan and are'nt living in sin!!! Ever heard of debate, I wish you'd do it on this forum instead of talking about your great potions!!! :wave:
And I don't know any true Christians who get their jollies belittiling people.

You are very blind. Are you really taking what the Wiccans have said? They are in no way acting the way you have described.

And would everyone please stop telling them to leave? Christians are taught to except everyone, though it seems the better part of you would rather push them away.
 
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GOD4ME said:
Did you even take the time to read all the articles? One of them talks about potions. And yes you were debating over wether Wiccans practice witchcraft or not. :hug:
No I wasnt, everyone knows that Wicca is based on witchcraft. Please stop putting words into my mouth. Im debating your false claims that wiccans are hateful and take control over others.
 
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Maria Mante said:
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And would everyone please stop telling them to leave? Christians are taught to except everyone, though it seems the better part of you would rather push them away.

Strange...I was never taught that growing up? I was taught to "love" everyone, not "accept" (correct sp.) them.

I guess this is were you would have to define "accept". Let's go to our buddy Webster.

accept: 1) to take or receive; 2) to receive with approval or favor; 3) to receive or admit as adequate or satisfactory; 4) to respond or answer affirmatively to; 5) to undertake duties, responsibilities, or honors of; 6) to admit formally, as to a college or club; 7) to accommodate or reconcile oneself to; 8) to regard as true or sound; believe; 9) to regard as normal, suitable, or usual; 10) to receive as to meaning; understand; 11) to agree to pay, as a draft; 12) to receive or contain; 13) to receive without adverse reaction.

Sadly all meanings are implied when you "accept" someone. You qualify people lifestyles and actions, when you accept them. This isn't to say you cannot be their friends and love them.

EXAMPLE: You're father is an alcoholic. You love him, but do not accept his being an alcoholic. This does not make you less of a Christian, or wrong.
 
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No I wasnt, everyone knows that Wicca is based on witchcraft. Please stop putting words into my mouth. Im debating your false claims that wiccans are hateful and take control over others.

Well, now you've done it. You've changed your side of the debate from your facts, to accusation of what the other person thinks. That's not anyway to win a debate. Rather you are getting emotional and weakening your argument.

I haven't seen anyone post that Wicca is hateful. And I know for a fact (having been apart of a wiccan covenant) that they do practice controlling others through spells.

But instead of getting upset and frazzled, you should address that most all religions practice imposing their will on others. Christian do it when they pray.

EXAMPLE: "Lord, please help my husband to come to Christ."

You could argue that spells are your religion's form of worship and requesting something, and relate it to prayer. You could also argue wiccan spells are your form of prayer. Then the only issue is were does the power come from. This is what the real "meat and potatoes" argument is!

Christians believe that all power that doesn't come from God is impure. Are they wrong?

You had better suck it up and get focused if you want to win this argument. And you might want to explore wiccan a little more. It seems the Christians know (and have) more "facts" than you do.
 
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