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If you dig into the true nature of why it's a right enumerated by the founding fathers, you'll see that regardless of where you live (in your case, the UK) you have that same right as any American to self-defense and the tools necessary to do so expeditiously. This is where our minds forget: We believe that our rights are not granted to us by men, nor governments, but by God. IOW, our rights are supposed to be protected by men, not granted by them.
I once said that I like guns and think of them as a beautiful technical art. I was nearly kicked off of FB and the hate mail was on one reason I left FB. It seems that some people have the impression that if you say that you are a Christian and like guns then you are a hypocrite. Not so. I am also a former machinist and fabricator, a marketing management professional, a 3D CAD artist, and I have built thousands of fixtures for manufacturing engineering of products almost everybody has seen in some form. I do not mean that all guns are beautiful, technical, nor an art. However, I do appreciate those which are made in high or moderate volume manufacturing and have the look and feel of fine craftsmanship. I really appreciate it when I see an older a gun with more tight fitting the parts and which as been around for many years and still shoots accurately and reliably. What about you? Do you think that being a Christian and like guns makes you (me) a hypocrite?
I once said that I like guns and think of them as a beautiful technical art. I was nearly kicked off of FB and the hate mail was on one reason I left FB. It seems that some people have the impression that if you say that you are a Christian and like guns then you are a hypocrite. Not so. I am also a former machinist and fabricator, a marketing management professional, a 3D CAD artist, and I have built thousands of fixtures for manufacturing engineering of products almost everybody has seen in some form. I do not mean that all guns are beautiful, technical, nor an art. However, I do appreciate those which are made in high or moderate volume manufacturing and have the look and feel of fine craftsmanship. I really appreciate it when I see an older a gun with more tight fitting the parts and which as been around for many years and still shoots accurately and reliably. What about you? Do you think that being a Christian and like guns makes you (me) a hypocrite?
The Second Amendment has nothing to do with personal self-defense. "A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state ..."
Nonsense, why would the Constitution need an amendment to let it's own army or police have a gun?
Here are many statements from the Founders refuting your statement:
Gun Quotations of the Founding Fathers | Buckeye Firearms Association
1) This is off-topic.
2) If you're going to choose a source how about one that is at least reasonably objective? (Not the Buckeye Firearms Association).
3) The Constitution enumerates many rights of the people, but many of them have conditions. The Second Amendment is one of those.
The Second Amendment has nothing to do with personal self-defense. "A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state ..."
No it isn't.
So which of those quotes aren't genuine? You want to quote the 2A, you're going to hear the intent of those who wrote it. You expect CNN to publish those quotes or something?
Thank goodness we have the NRA (my favorite civil rights organization) and courts to strike down unreasonable conditions on that freedom.
No it isn't.
So which of those quotes aren't genuine? You want to quote the 2A, you're going to hear the intent of those who wrote it. You expect CNN to publish those quotes or something?
Thank goodness we have the NRA (my favorite civil rights organization) and courts to strike down unreasonable conditions on that freedom.
The big taboo on this site is questioning someone's salvation. You just don't do that. However, if you reveal that you believe in self-defense and actually carry a firearm or knife for such purpose, you will be accused of not being a Christian, of being filled with murder in your heart, and being an agent of satan. Pretty extreme stuff...
Sometimes, it is necessary to do the first in order to do the second.
No idea man. Tough discussion....What about you? Do you think that being a Christian and like guns makes you (me) a hypocrite?...
Actually, in the last few years, firearms have been used in self defense, and the court has ruled in favor of the person defending themselves; but only after those persons were charged, and after long and expensive court cases. We are not allowed to use undue force; so one's life has to be in immediate and pending danger. If a guy comes into your store, shoots at you, an employee, or actually shoots someone, you can not chase the criminal out on the street and shoot him as he is running away. A Canadian Jewelry store owner did just that, and has been in jail some years now.
I once said that I like guns and think of them as a beautiful technical art. I was nearly kicked off of FB and the hate mail was on one reason I left FB. It seems that some people have the impression that if you say that you are a Christian and like guns then you are a hypocrite. Not so. I am also a former machinist and fabricator, a marketing management professional, a 3D CAD artist, and I have built thousands of fixtures for manufacturing engineering of products almost everybody has seen in some form. I do not mean that all guns are beautiful, technical, nor an art. However, I do appreciate those which are made in high or moderate volume manufacturing and have the look and feel of fine craftsmanship. I really appreciate it when I see an older a gun with more tight fitting the parts and which as been around for many years and still shoots accurately and reliably. What about you? Do you think that being a Christian and like guns makes you (me) a hypocrite?
The theological debate of whether or not we have a God-given right to self-defense is the crux of the issue. If we do have such a right (to protect life) then guns are fine, if we do not have such a right (and I see a biblical case for either argument), then no weapon wielded with the intent of taking life is okay. We might have a Constitutional right, but the Founders explicitly asserted that these rights are given to us by God and not man, so thus inalienable.
I don't see anyone having that debate from a theological perspective; but it needs to happen.
No offense, brother...but the NRA stands for Negotiating Rights Away. They supported or did not push against the GCA in the 1960s, the FOP Act of 1986, the Brady Act in 1994, and have used donations to enrich their executives. GOA and SAF are far better, hold to conviction, and have done more for our rights than the NRA. Unless there is real and serious reform in the NRA, I will never give them a dime.
The NRA deserves nothing, for they have done nothing but hurt us. They have so much money to fight, but don't. They sure do take nice, expensive vacations though.
That isn't true they don't fight or have done nothing, maybe not exactly as we want, and yes there is abuse in the higher ups. The GCA of '68 was different than today, it was the days before the internet mobilization and passed very quickly by a Democratic POTUS and Congress.
The Russians like the NRA also! They invited the big shots to Moscow and "wined and dined them", then funneled a ton of money through the NRA to Trump's campaign.
The NRA heartily supported the 68 GCA because, horrors, there were black people walking around with rifles talking about self defense.
Nonsense, Democrats were the party of disarming blacks, not to mention the Confederacy, Jim Crow, and the KKK, which was basically the military arm of that party, much as Antifa and BLM thugs are today. It wasn't just blacks they picked on, they threw an entire race in internment camps in WWII. When one of FDR's underlings was asked how that jived with the Constitution, he said 'that's just a scrap of paper.'
See The Untold History of Black NRA Gun Clubs + Civil Rights
"First, the narrative of the NRA as some sort of crypto-racist organization is simply false. In the first place, the NRA is a single-issue organization, which is how Harry Reid is able to obtain a “B” rating and get campaign cash from them, despite voting as a party-line Democrat on virtually every non-gun-related issue. More to the point, the NRA has historically opposed laws that were virtually tailor made to deny African-Americans the right to keep and bear arms. Many gun control laws to this day stem from the KKK's fear of armed and independent minorities. The Rosewood Massacre in 1923 – a bloodbath led by a white mob that resulted in the destruction of an entire black community in Florida – was a clear example of how an armed black people could prevent future KKK raids.
Second, the uptick in black NRA members as well as gun ownership and firearms acceptability in the black community isn’t an anomaly, but a reconnection with a deeper past stretching back to Reconstruction. The right to keep and carry arms was even mentioned in the infamous Supreme Court case of Scott v. Sandford, where the enslaved Dred Scott sued for his freedom. He lost that fight, but the words from that courtroom live on to this day.
"[If black people] were entitled to the privileges and immunities of citizens, it would exempt them from the operation of the special laws and from the police regulations which they considered to be necessary for their own safety. It would give to persons of the negro race, who were recognized as citizens in any one State of the Union... the full liberty of speech in public and in private upon all subjects upon which its own citizens might speak; to hold public meetings upon political affairs, and to keep and carry arms wherever they went. And all of this would be done in the face of the subject race of the same color, both free and slaves, and inevitably producing discontent and insubordination among them, and endangering the peace and safety of the State."
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