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Is Baptism required for salvation?

Discussion in 'Requests for Christian Advice' started by Jags, Jul 31, 2019.

  1. corinth77777

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    What passage?
     
  2. corinth77777

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    Hi, and I can be wrong......but I can see it as immersing them in the presence of the trinity as the learner/disciple does what the disciples teach. Yet it is still "obvious" that the disciples are told to do this. Wouldn't this be then Baptism that saves us now. [1 Peter 3:21] For the presence or relationship one develops as they do what Jesus commanded....
    For when we find that eternal life is defined as "to know God and Jesus" what better way to come to know/develop a relationship then doing [obeying]what is commanded to the disciples to teach. Which means life with God is what we are immersed into. But not that the disciples do the immersing per say but the effect of the teaching [obeying it] puts you in the presence of the life of God. It would then seem that immersed into the teachings is a cleansing of the conscience before God.
    Because in my thought process or opinion to be immersed in the son is to live out His life while He was on earth,
    Therefore living out His life, one receives Life from the Father, and 1 plus 1 = holyghost ...power of the presence of God to do things in His might.

    These are merely my thoughts about that passage in Matthew....the Great "commission"
     
  3. Albion

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    In Matthew 28:19, Christ commissions his Apostles, saying that they are to go into all the world, that they are to teach and make believers of the people of all nations, "baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."

    This obviously means that someone is to administer the sacrament/ordinance, the rite.

    Converts are not going to be self-baptized or have the Holy Ghost come upon them in some abstract way while Jesus is saying to his ministers to do the baptizing! Nor did that happen, according to Scripture, when thousands were converted upon hear Peter preach on Pentecost Sunday.
     
  4. Cormack

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    How would you understand the baptism of Cornelius and the gentiles, since they received the Spirit and gifts of the Spirit before being baptised by water (Acts 10)?
     
  5. Cormack

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    Water baptism isn’t required for salvation. Scripture has many examples of unbaptised people being saved. Sometimes people argue that these saved people who never experienced water baptism are an exception, not the norm, either way, not every unbaptised man is lost, and not every water baptised man will be saved.

    Still, if you feel on fire for the Lord, find yourself an awesome church family and be baptised. Let everyone know it’s an awesome thing and maybe someday you’ll be baptising young believers yourself.

    In short: Baptism isn’t something we have to do, it’s something we get to do. God bless mate.
     
  6. Albion

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    This was a unique event, related to Cornelius' having being directly approached by God. The usual understanding is that Cornelius was emblematic of salvation in Christ being open to the Gentiles in the same way as it was for the Jews.

    See Acts of the Apostles 11:13-14.

    And later, Acts of the Apostles 15:7.
     
  7. Albion

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    That is almost universally agreed to by Christians.

    Correct also.
     
  8. corinth77777

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    Thank you, for you allowed me to see because this is after His resurrection that this Baptism is of His resurrection. Meaning this is the emergence in which we are saved in this life today.

    To live by the resurrected power of His life by obeying what Jesus taught the disciples to teach in order to make disciples
     
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