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NOTICE ...that Jesus did not answer there questionA Brethren IN CHRIST said:FC where does it say Man has to work....
.This is the work of God
Romans 4:5 But to him[humans] that worketh not but believeth on Him who justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
A Brethren IN CHRIST said:NOTICE ...that Jesus did not answer there question
In John 6:28-29, Jesus does answer their question. He tells them to "believe in Him." He does not tell them that God will believe for them!
evangelist said:Hello Florida College
Hello to you.
I think i have the right baptism which you claim I am talking about John baptism.
i say this because your doctrine and gospel is the use of H20 water in a ritual to come to repentance or water has to be a part to have salvation or be saved.
I have never said, nor am I saying now, that the use of water is a ritual for repentance. The only connection that I find between water and repentance is the baptism of John the Baptist (Matt. 3:1-6). John's baptism ended when John died (Matt. 14:1-12). John's baptism is not in effect today (Acts 18:24-26 ; 19:1-5).
So what ever baptism of water you use is not included in our spiritual new birth ,and water baptism has nothing to do with being saved.
Being born again is a spiritual requirement (Jn. 3:3). In light of Nicodemus' question in vs.4, John elaborates on what is involved in being born again in vs.5 - - "being born of water and the Spirit."
Whether or not water baptism has anything to do with salvation has to be answered from a scriptural perspective. Baptism is clearly commanded for salvation - - Mk. 16:16 ; Acts 2:38 ; Acts 22:16. That baptism is in water - - Acts 8:35-39 ; Acts 10:47-48 ; 1 Pet. 3:20-21. Why should we not believe and teach what the scriptures clearly show?
Baptism of water is a work is this correct???
See post #460 on page 46. I am going to repost this for your convenience.
We are not saved by a ritual work but we are saved by the blood of Jesus and repentance with our heart unto salvation.
We are saved by the blood of Christ (Rom. 5:8-9). Are you saying that repentance is a requirement for salvation? Isn't faith also necessary (Rom. 10:9-10)? Aren't faith and repentance both works, or things that are required for us to do?
What is confession mean to you and what is the fruit of a confession Florida College???
Confession means the same to me as it does everybody else (Matt. 10:32-33 ; Rom. 10:9-10 ; Acts 8:37). The fruit of confession can be found in Matt. 10:32b.
what let`s Jesus come into our hearts , the water baptism or our faith believing on Jesus as Lord and Savior???
Why do you feel compelled to choose one or the other? Doesn't Jesus expect both faith and baptism in Mk. 16:16?
I know you might say faith without works is dead , but isn`t using your mouth some kind of work when you confess disscribed in Rom 10:9,10????
It is not really a matter of what I might say. James 2:20 says "that fatih without works is dead." This is in the context of faith prompting one to obey God (vs.21-24). Confession is a work of obedience.
Is using faith with your heart a work because you must trust , and believe with your heart????
Yes. Faith is a work (Jn. 6:28-29).
My equation is belief +confess unto repentance by the blood odf Jesus = saved
First of all, there is no scripture that says "confess unto repentance by the blood of Jesus." Therefore, the equation is indeed yours, but it is not scriptural.
Now after Saved in our christian walk is reading the bible getting understanding in God`s Word , Water baptism, going to church , fellowship with others, witnessing , helping others , obedience and working for your reward to do the will of God , and at the end you will be judge to recieve your crown or rewards, and God saying well done my faithful son.
Praise God!
AMEN
Once again verses please to were faith comes from ...Gal 5:22Florida College said:Originally Posted By: A Brethren IN CHRIST
FC where does it say Man has to work....
In John 6:29 - "that you believe in Him." That is Jesus' answer to their question. Belief is something that man does. Consider: What did Paul and Silas tell the jailor to do in Acts 16:31? There is your answer. Faith is something that man does. It is a work - - not a work that God does - - but a work that man does.
This is the work of God
Faith is not the work of God (John 6:28-29). Faith is the work which God would have us so. If faith is the work of God, then who becomes responsible when men don't believe in Jesus?
Romans 4:5 But to him[humans] that worketh not but believeth on Him who justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
I see why you misunderstand. Rom 4:5 is discussing works under the law of Moses (note the context of chapter 3 as the discussion continues into chapter 4). Faith is accounted for righteousness. But faith is a conviction that man develops based on his hearing of God's word (Rom.10:17). Faith drives on to obey the Lord in baptism (Mk 16:16, Gal. 3:26-27, & Col. 2:12).
A Brethren IN CHRIST said:Once again verses please to were faith comes from ...Gal 5:22
"Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God" (Rom.10:17). The Holy Spirit brought to the apostles and N.T. writers all things they needed and to their remembrance all things that Jesus said to them (John 14:26). Faithfulness is one of several things that the word brought forth by Spirit produces (Gal.5:22).
CLUE THE HOLY SPIRIT
"FC thats not fair" other posts
not fair God can do anything He wants 1 sam 2:6-8
I'm not sure what you mean. What is not fair? I am not trying to limit God's power. God can do anything he wants - - but some things he won't do (i.e. Heb.6:18 - - God will not lie).
"FC quote....faith from hearing"
but a lot of men hear the word and do not believe explain this..
Exactly. Now we are getting somewhere. Whose fault is that? According to John 6:28-29, if man's faith is God's work, then God is responsible. But, if faith is man's work, then man is responsible. John 6:28-29 says that faith is man's work - - not God's.
NO help from Holy Spirit ...Gal 5:22
Romans 4:5 or titus 3:5 same message by God's mercy not of any kind of works get get salvation
Faith is a work (Jn. 6:28-29). If no works are required for salvation, then faith is not required. That creates a real problem when we look at Heb. 11:6. Rom.4:5 & Titus 3:5 are focusing on specific types of works (works of the law of Moses & works of righteousness i.e. Cornelius in Acts 10:1-2) - - those types of works do not result in salvation.
this happens not once but twice for God to make a point but you do not see it...sorry
please believe the Good News1 cor 15:3-4 and he is alive right now!
I Didn't say he wasn't alive right now. That is the message of the gospel - - his ultimate victory over death. But whether or not he is alive in the flesh right now is a discussion that we can continue on that particular thread.
please do not believe in vain
Thank you. 1 Cor. 15:58 is excellent verse to keep in mind. I realize that I haven't always been abounding in the work of the Lord as I should, and I am determined to do better.
1 cor 15:2
A Brethren IN CHRIST said:Once again verses please to were faith comes from ...Gal 5:22
CLUE THE HOLY SPIRIT
Why don't you just tell me what you think Gal. 5:22 says? Faith comes from hearing the word of God (Rom. 10:17).
not fair God can do anything He wants 1 sam 2:6-8
What exactly is not fair?
"FC quote....faith from hearing"
but a lot of men hear the word and do not believe explain this..
Jesus gives the answer in the parable of the sower and the explanation that follows (Matt. 13:3-23).
"BUT THAT NOT FAIR" fc quote
man has choice and he will always choose to do evil over rightouesness
True. Man does have a choice (Joshua 24:14-15).
NO help from Holy Spirit ...Gal 5:22 gives faith
I'm not sure what you mean by "NO help from Holy Spirit. Gal. 5:22-23 lists the fruits of the Spirit. Fruits are those things that the Spirit produces. The Holy Spirit produces these things through the word.
"not fair not fair quote fc " now read 1 sam 2:6-8,duet 32:39
What is not fair?
Romans 4:5 or titus 3:5 same message by God's mercy not of any kind of works get get salvation
If no works are necessary, then faith is not necessary - - because faith is a work (John 6:28-29). That presents a real problem with Heb. 11:6. Care to explain?
this happens not once but twice for God to make a point but you do not see it...sorry
If no works are necessary, then Abraham would not have had to offer up Isaac(James 2:21-24). But that is not what the passage in James said. Once again, you have created a dilemma.
please believe the Good News1 cor 15:3-4 and he is alive right now!
I didn't say that he was not alive right now.
please do not believe in vain
1 cor 15:2 like matt 7:21,22 did their own wonderful works not God's ,23
not of works but of mercy and grace, eph 2:4-9,titus 3:5, romans 4:5, 2 cor 5:21, romans 11:6
It sounds like you're saying that one doesn't have to obey the commands of Mk. 16:16, Acts 2:38 ; Acts 10:47-48 ; & Acts 22:16. What does Heb. 5:9 say that we should do? Now, who should we listen to - - you . . . or the Holy Scriptures?
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