Is baptism necessary to be saved? (2)

[KCDAD]

YAQUBOS;45916559Who said that I don't have the mind of Christ??

Me, Masterofkrikket, Soul Survivor and everyone else who reads your words...

I am not talking about any natural dimension. I am talking about God who is able to be incarnated without ceasing to be God.

Yeah... whatever... make it up as you go

We were created by God.

Which time, the first time when it was messed up or the "new" time?

This new creation is also the creation of God. All what God does is very good. The sole - and very essential - difference is that the second Adam is better than the first Adam, because He is not a creature. As the new Head is not created, then He is much better than the first head.

uh huh

Do you want to be under the dominion of this second Head?

HUH?

 

[MasterOfKrikkit]

Who said that I don't have the mind of Christ??

Er, since that would be equating yourself to Christ (and, therefore, God) ... um, you did. But, more importantly, so did God -- "my thoughts are higher than your thoughts" and all that, remember?

Once again, you can't have it both ways. Either (1) you are a mortal just like me, KCDAD, SS, etc etc, and just as likely to have gotten The Message wrong, or (2) you're divine and infallible. If (1), there's no reason for us to believe that you're right and we're wrong, without external justification. If (2), you've just blasphemed by equating yourself with God. Please repent.

 

[Alethes]

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Baptism in water was one of the Old Testament“shadows"castby the approaching light of Christ. Bringing into reality that greater cleansing, which water baptism only symbolized, required Jesus' sinless life sacrificial death, resurrection, ascension, and pouring out of the gift of holy. The Good News is that he did it all—for us!​

Many Christians think that it was John the Baptist who introduced the idea of water baptism. No, the truth is that it was part of the Mosaic Law. What John actually did introduce was the phrase "baptized in holy spirit," showing that water baptism was a symbolic precursor to the greater reality of an internal cleansing via holy spirit. ​

John the Baptist said: "I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost" (Mark 1:8).​

Before ascending into heaven, Jesus Christ told his disciples the following: "For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence [Acts 1:5)."​

 

[YAQUBOS]

Me, Masterofkrikket, Soul Survivor and everyone else who reads your words...

Humans.

By the way: Survivor?

Yeah... whatever... make it up as you go

Thank you for admitting that you couldn't answer that argument. In fact, God is Omnipotent.

Which time, the first time when it was messed up or the "new" time?

Time??

Both creations are the creation of God. And God didn't mess up His creation.

uh huh


HUH?

"For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." ( 1 Corinthians 1:18 )

YAQUBOS†

 

[YAQUBOS]

Er, since that would be equating yourself to Christ (and, therefore, God) ... um, you did. But, more importantly, so did God -- "my thoughts are higher than your thoughts" and all that, remember?

Once again, you can't have it both ways. Either (1) you are a mortal just like me, KCDAD, SS, etc etc, and just as likely to have gotten The Message wrong, or (2) you're divine and infallible. If (1), there's no reason for us to believe that you're right and we're wrong, without external justification. If (2), you've just blasphemed by equating yourself with God. Please repent.

"For by these He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises, so that by them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world by lust." ( 2 Peter 1:4 )

"For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, THAT HE WILL INSTRUCT HIM? But we have the mind of Christ." ( 1 Corinthians 2:16 )

"You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God." ( Matthew 22:29 )

YAQUBOS†

 

[YAQUBOS]

Baptism in water was one of the Old Testament“shadows"castby the approaching light of Christ. Bringing into reality that greater cleansing, which water baptism only symbolized, required Jesus' sinless life sacrificial death, resurrection, ascension, and pouring out of the gift of holy. The Good News is that he did it all—for us!​

Many Christians think that it was John the Baptist who introduced the idea of water baptism. No, the truth is that it was part of the Mosaic Law. What John actually did introduce was the phrase "baptized in holy spirit," showing that water baptism was a symbolic precursor to the greater reality of an internal cleansing via holy spirit. ​

John the Baptist said: "I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost" (Mark 1:8).​

Before ascending into heaven, Jesus Christ told his disciples the following: "For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence [Acts 1:5)."​

Christian water baptism:

"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit" ( Matthew 28:19 )

"As they went along the road they came to some water; and the eunuch said, "Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized?"" ( Acts 8:36 )

"And he ordered the chariot to stop; and they both went down into the water, Philip as well as the eunuch, and he baptized him." ( Acts 8:38 )

"Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?" ( Acts 10:47 )

Grace to you!

YAQUBOS†

 

[KCDAD]

YAQUBOS;46152286
Thank you for admitting that you couldn't answer that argument. In fact, God is Omnipotent.

What's to answer? You just made an infinite God a finite human without not being infinite. That is paradoxical enough in itself without answering it.

Both creations are the creation of God. And God didn't mess up His creation.

How many more are there going to be until he gets it right? Create, destroy. Create, destroy. Either he is a little kid with lincoln logs or he can't get it right.



"For YAQUBOS† is foolishness " ( 1 KCDAD 1:18 )

 

[KCDAD]

"For by these He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises, so that by them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world by lust." ( 2 Peter 1:4 )

"For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, THAT HE WILL INSTRUCT HIM? But we have the mind of Christ." ( 1 Corinthians 2:16 )

"You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God." ( Matthew 22:29 )

YAQUBOS†

(2), you've just blasphemed by equating yourself with God.

 

[KCDAD]

Christian water baptism:

"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit" ( Matthew 28:19 ) And why do you think this refers to water baptism? Because you want it to?

"As they went along the road they came to some water; and the eunuch said, "Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized?"" ( Acts 8:36 ) You think that because Luke thinks it means water, then Luke must be right... he was such a close follower of Jesus, and a Jew.

"And he ordered the chariot to stop; and they both went down into the water, Philip as well as the eunuch, and he baptized him." ( Acts 8:38 ) Ditto

"Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?" ( Acts 10:47 )

Ditto

Did you notice the last verse says they already received the Holy Spirit?

 

[YAQUBOS]

What's to answer? You just made an infinite God a finite human without not being infinite. That is paradoxical enough in itself without answering it.

And as God is Omnipotent...

How many more are there going to be until he gets it right? Create, destroy. Create, destroy. Either he is a little kid with lincoln logs or he can't get it right.

Please, prove that God was the cause of the destruction of His creation.

And, N.B., I explained to you how the Head of this new creation is NOT a creature. So, don't worry: Jesus won't sin.

Sin is the cause of destruction. Did you know this? Or do you still insist to accuse God?

"For YAQUBOS† is foolishness " ( 1 KCDAD 1:18 )

"Every word of God is tested; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words Or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar." ( Proverbs 30:5-6 )

YAQUBOS†

 

[YAQUBOS]

(2), you've just blasphemed by equating yourself with God.

The interesting part in this is that I didn't write anything in that reply that you quoted and then said that I blasphemed... I only quoted the Word of God...

YAQUBOS†

 

[YAQUBOS]

Christian water baptism:

"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit" ( Matthew 28:19 ) And why do you think this refers to water baptism? Because you want it to?

Because humans cannot baptize with the Holy Spirit. Only Christ can.

"As they went along the road they came to some water; and the eunuch said, "Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized?"" ( Acts 8:36 ) You think that because Luke thinks it means water, then Luke must be right... he was such a close follower of Jesus, and a Jew.

The Bible clearly says "WATER" If you don't want the Bible to say anything, then that's your own personal problem with God...

"And he ordered the chariot to stop; and they both went down into the water, Philip as well as the eunuch, and he baptized him." ( Acts 8:38 ) Ditto

"Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?" ( Acts 10:47 )

Ditto

Did you notice the last verse says they already received the Holy Spirit?

Yes, I noticed that baptism is not necessary for Salvation, just as I have been saying all the time, although it is necessary in Salvation, also as I have been saying all the time. You must not refuse the water for those who believe to be baptized.

YAQUBOS†

 

[MasterOfKrikkit]

The interesting part in this is that I didn't write anything in that reply that you quoted and then said that I blasphemed... I only quoted the Word of God...

YAQUBOS†

Very interesting... because, since you haven't shown a way out of the dichotomy I presented, it implies that either the Bible itself is the source of that blasphemy, or you have interpreted it incorrectly. So, given that I doubt you are willing to accept the former (since the Bible is the Word of God), you will no doubt admit the latter (which I've been arguing all along).

Unless, of course, you can actually answer what I said earlier:

Once again, you can't have it both ways. Either (1) you are a mortal just like me, KCDAD, SS, etc etc, and just as likely to have gotten The Message wrong, or (2) you're divine and infallible. If (1), there's no reason for us to believe that you're right and we're wrong, without external justification. If (2), you've just blasphemed by equating yourself with God.

(But I have to say that KCDAD appears to be correct: your Bible verse response seems to indicate that you're going with (2). In which case, see above: admit that your interpretation is incorrect or that the Bible OKs your blasphemy.)

 

[KCDAD]

The interesting part in this is that I didn't write anything in that reply that you quoted and then said that I blasphemed... I only quoted the Word of God...

YAQUBOS†

I was responding to whether you were God or a blasphemer, per another poster. You are definitely not God. Equating yourself with God is what i responding to.

 

[KCDAD]

Because humans cannot baptize with the Holy Spirit. Only Christ can.



The Bible clearly says "WATER" If you don't want the Bible to say anything, then that's your own personal problem with God...



Yes, I noticed that baptism is not necessary for Salvation, just as I have been saying all the time, although it is necessary in Salvation, also as I have been saying all the time. You must not refuse the water for those who believe to be baptized.

YAQUBOS†

So water baptism isn't the same thing? So why bother if you are already baptized with the Holy Spirit?

 

[YAQUBOS]

Very interesting... because, since you haven't shown a way out of the dichotomy I presented, it implies that either the Bible itself is the source of that blasphemy, or you have interpreted it incorrectly. So, given that I doubt you are willing to accept the former (since the Bible is the Word of God), you will no doubt admit the latter (which I've been arguing all along).

Unless, of course, you can actually answer what I said earlier:

(But I have to say that KCDAD appears to be correct: your Bible verse response seems to indicate that you're going with (2). In which case, see above: admit that your interpretation is incorrect or that the Bible OKs your blasphemy.)

Or (3) you don't know what blasphemy is.

 

[YAQUBOS]

I was responding to whether you were God or a blasphemer, per another poster. You are definitely not God. Equating yourself with God is what i responding to.

So show me where I ever equated myself with God. If quoting God's Word means for you equating myself to God, then that's your problem with God.

YAQUBOS†

 

[YAQUBOS]

So water baptism isn't the same thing? So why bother if you are already baptized with the Holy Spirit?

Because water baptism is not the baptism with the Holy Spirit. And as we have seen, water baptism is necessary in Salvation.

YAQUBOS†

 

[KCDAD]

... but not essential.

 

[MasterOfKrikkit]

Or (3) you don't know what blasphemy is.

Or (4) you don't understand the Law of the Excluded Middle.

What joy. More word-redefinition fun with Yaqubos. OK, I'll play along: please define "blasphemy" for us (and how equating one's self with God is not blasphemy).

But, regardless of the semantic tapdances that you love so much, the basic logic still remains and you still haven't answered it. Law of the Excluded Middle; there is no option 3: either you are claiming to be infallible or you're not. Now pay attention, here's what I said before:

Once again, you can't have it both ways. Either (1) you are a mortal just like me, KCDAD, SS, etc etc, and just as likely to have gotten The Message wrong, or (2) you're divine and infallible. If (1), there's no reason for us to believe that you're right and we're wrong, without external justification. If (2), you've just blasphemed by equating yourself with God.

Strike "you've just blasphemed by" (since you're going to educate us all as the Superspecial meaning of "blaspheme" as dictated by God to Yaqubos, no doubt). The rest still stands. So which is it? Are you fallible or not?