Is baptism necessary to be saved? (2)

[YAQUBOS]

The Bible says it but you can't find a passage that says it... is it one of those "read between the lines" things?

Did you read CAREFULLY what I wrote? I said: "There are Bible verseS and even passages. But you don't believe the Bible."

Does this mean that I can't quote a passage?

KCDAD, if you need to know more about the Bible, you can open a thread about that, or pm me or any Christian.

Where does it say the Bible is the word of God? "It" refers to an inanimate object, if I had meant Jesus I would have said "he". You are using the Bible as your source of knowledge, so where in the Bible does it (any passage in the Bible) say that the Bible is the word of God.

OR

Where in the Bible does the Bible say that Jesus said the Bible is the word of God?

Open a thread about that, or pm me.

Our topic in this thread: Is baptism necessary to be saved?

Please, stop wasting our time, and turning our focus away from the topic. You already said that you don't believe in baptism, because you don't believe the Bible. Clear. Nice to hear that. Now, hear what we, Christians, have to say: Baptism is not necessary FOR Salvation, but it is very essential IN Salvation. The Bible says that. If you don't believe the Bible is the Word of God, then you don't even need to think about baptism right now. You first need to know how the Bible is the Word of God. But I can't explain it for you here, because that's not the topic of this thread, and it's a long topic that needs a special thread or conversation. If we begin that conversation here, we may type pages about it, and thus forget the main topic of this thread.

Thank you for understanding and respecting others who read this thread.

May the Lord bless you richly!

YAQUBOS†

 

[KCDAD]

Did you read CAREFULLY what I wrote? I said: "There are Bible verseS and even passages. But you don't believe the Bible."

Does this mean that I can't quote a passage?

KCDAD, if you need to know more about the Bible, you can open a thread about that, or pm me or any Christian.





Open a thread about that, or pm me.

Our topic in this thread: Is baptism necessary to be saved?

Please, stop wasting our time, and turning our focus away from the topic. You already said that you don't believe in baptism, because you don't believe the Bible. Clear. Nice to hear that. Now, hear what we, Christians, have to say: Baptism is not necessary FOR Salvation, but it is very essential IN Salvation. The Bible says that. If you don't believe the Bible is the Word of God, then you don't even need to think about baptism right now. You first need to know how the Bible is the Word of God. But I can't explain it for you here, because that's not the topic of this thread, and it's a long topic that needs a special thread or conversation. If we begin that conversation here, we may type pages about it, and thus forget the main topic of this thread.

Thank you for understanding and respecting others who read this thread.

May the Lord bless you richly!

YAQUBOS†

You said there were Bible verses... so I said list them. If you can't you are a liar. That is simple.

 

[YAQUBOS]

You said there were Bible verses... so I said list them. If you can't you are a liar. That is simple.

I can, so I am not a liar. That is simple.

So open a thread called: "Can YAQUBOS give us those verses?"

Have a nice day.

YAQUBOS†

 

[KCDAD]

http://foru.ms/t6398365-can-yaqubos-give-us-those-verses.html#post40564457

Here's your opportunity. Post away

 

[YAQUBOS]

http://foru.ms/t6398365-can-yaqubos-give-us-those-verses.html#post40564457

Here's your opportunity. Post away

You embarrassed yourself.

Be humble, and listen to God.

YAQUBOS†

 

[KCDAD]

You embarrassed yourself.

Be humble, and listen to God.

YAQUBOS†

Stop talking to yourself. I asked for a simple Bible verse... you have not come up with one in what? 2 weeks?

It doesn't matter to me what you make up in your belief of what the Bible says. It should matter to you. If you really think the Bible says what you think it does, you ought to be able to find where you think it says it. Other wise, you might as well write your own.

 

[PattyOfurniture]

Stop talking to yourself. I asked for a simple Bible verse... you have not come up with one in what? 2 weeks?

It doesn't matter to me what you make up in your belief of what the Bible says. It should matter to you. If you really think the Bible says what you think it does, you ought to be able to find where you think it says it. Other wise, you might as well write your own.

I'm too lazy to look right now(2 Adult-Beverages,Steak for supper, Finz game on TiVo,etc...lol)but has our Brother here still not provided the requested verse(s)......lol
was thinking 'Rope A Dope' was like the Partridge Family and sea monkeys....things from my past
God Bless you

 

[YAQUBOS]

Stop talking to yourself. I asked for a simple Bible verse... you have not come up with one in what? 2 weeks?

In the new thread that you opened, I already have showed you that you were asking all the time for something that I already did in this thread before more than 2 weeks

Wake up!

It doesn't matter to me what you make up in your belief of what the Bible says. It should matter to you. If you really think the Bible says what you think it does, you ought to be able to find where you think it says it. Other wise, you might as well write your own.

I already did.

YAQUBOS†

 

[KCDAD]

Again... no response... why don't you just link us to that response... or repost the verses. NO ONE except you has seen it.

 

[Soul Searcher]

The fact is that he can not show the verses because they do not exist.

 

[YAQUBOS]

Again... no response... why don't you just link us to that response... or repost the verses. NO ONE except you has seen it.

Why are you so lazy? Read that page again... I already linked you to that response...

Ah, and by the way: Who told you that NO ONE except me has seen it? Don't tell me you know about everybody!!

Anyway, as you are very lazy, I will re-post them and even in more details, but in the other thread, because this thread is about BAPTISM.

May the Lord bless you richly!

YAQUBOS†

 

[KCDAD]

Why are you so lazy? Read that page again... I already linked you to that response...

Ah, and by the way: Who told you that NO ONE except me has seen it? Don't tell me you know about everybody!!

Anyway, as you are very lazy, I will re-post them and even in more details, but in the other thread, because this thread is about BAPTISM.

May the Lord bless you richly!

YAQUBOS†

No thanks... I am tired of your blessings. They have a real ring of hypocrisy to them. Very much like greeting someone with "How are you?"... it is polite but there is no interest in hearing about how they really are.

 

[YAQUBOS]

No thanks... I am tired of your blessings. They have a real ring of hypocrisy to them. Very much like greeting someone with "How are you?"... it is polite but there is no interest in hearing about how they really are.

May the Lord bless you richly!

Don't worry: I MEAN it!

YAQUBOS†

 

[KCDAD]

You don't get it.. it may make you fell better to write that platitude, but it does nothing else.

God is and has already blessed me and continues to... it is what God does. He doesn't need to be reminded or coerced into doing that. You take on quite a load of pride and self importance if you think your little prayer makes God decide to want to bless someone or not.

So save your "o it makes me feel so righteous to say things like that" platitudes. I don't want 'em, they stink of yesterday's fish.

 

[Renton405]

The answer is no. It isn't required.

But the bible says differently..

Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 2:38). But he did not restrict this teaching to adults. He added, "For the promise is to you and to your children and to all that are far off, every one whom the Lord our God calls to him" (2:39). We also read: "Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his name" (Acts 22:16). These commands are universal, not restricted to adults. Further, these commands make clear the necessary connection between baptism and salvation, a
connection explicitly stated in 1 Peter 3:21: "Baptism . . . now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ."





Being born agains starts with our repentance AND baptism. Baptism is the starting of a new life of being a christian..Notice Peter says be baptized EVERY ONE OF YOU. He didn't say, "only part of your family", "or only you"..


"Now they were bringing even infants to him that he might touch them; and when the disciples saw it, they rebuked them. But Jesus called them to him, saying, ‘Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them; for to such belongs the kingdom of God’" (Luke 18:15–16).


Now, would would we hinder our children from baptism??


In the New Testament we read that Lydia was converted by Paul’s preaching and that "She was baptized, with her household" (Acts 16:15). The Philippian jailer whom Paul and Silas had converted to the faith was baptized that night along with his household. We are told that "the same hour of the night . . . he was baptized, with all his family" (Acts 16:33). And in his greetings to the Corinthians, Paul recalled that, "I did baptize also the household of Stephanas" (1 Cor. 1:16).


The present Catholic attitude accords perfectly with early Christian practices. Origen, for instance, wrote in the third century that "according to the usage of the Church, baptism is given even to infants" (Holilies on Leviticus, 8:3:11 [A.D. 244]). The Council of Carthage, in 253, condemned the opinion that baptism should be withheld from infants until the eighth day after birth. Later, Augustine taught, "The custom of Mother Church in baptizing infants is certainly not to be scorned . . . nor is it to be believed that its tradition is anything except apostolic" (Literal Interpretation of Genesis 10:23:39 [A.D. 408]).


Withholding baptism from your children is done for no reason. Rather is was created by the heretics and schismatics.. In a christian family all should be baptized for the unity of their faith. We see Paul baptizing whole familys in Acts. The withholding of infant baptism was created by evangelicals only because of their opposition to the Catholic Church..

 

[Renton405]

And Salvation is by faith alone.

Now we all know the bible VERILY condemns faith alone in James. Also martin Luther forged "Alone" at the end of that verse..

. Read James 2:14 carefully: "What does it profit, my brethren, if a man says he has faith but has not works? Can his faith save him?" James is dealing with the problem of those who claim faith but who don’t show it by their works. In verse 17 James says this kind of faith, "if it has no works, is dead.

James 2:24. There the inspired apostle denies that justification is from faith alone. Let me quote it: "You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone."

Why is sola fide so supported when it is clearly against scripture is James?



"If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema" (Council of Trent, Canons on Justification, Canon 9).

James:


26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only

 

[KCDAD]

I think it is easy to reconcile. Faith is not belief. (The scriptures are clear about that.) Belief is in your head. Faith is action. Faith is choosing to do something because of what you believe. So James can rightly say faith without works is dead... it is not faith. Faith must be doing something or it is just belief... the whole problem with trying ot glean this from the Greek is that their is only one word in Greek PISTIS which is translated into almost everything: Faith Belief, Confidence, Trust...
G4102 pistis pis'-tis

from G3982;

persuasion, i.e. credence; moral conviction; abstractly, constancy in such profession; by extension, the system of religious truth itself:--assurance, belief, believe, faith, fidelity.

 

[stranger]

John 10:34 Jesus answered them—Is it not written in your law: I, said, Ye are, gods?
35 If, those, he called gods, unto whom, the word of God, came—and the Scripture cannot be broken—

 

[KCDAD]

John 10:34 Jesus answered them—Is it not written in your law: I, said, Ye are, gods?
35 If, those, he called gods, unto whom, the word of God, came—and the Scripture cannot be broken—

Read the entire Psalm that Jesus is referring to... this is not a compliment to men. It is an indictment of the man's cruelty and inhumanity.

The second line, verse 35 is a a very clever trick of legalese... by throwing their legalism back at them (they were strict literalists) they would have to admit that all men are gods, although that was not the Psalmist's point. Jesus who was about to be stoned for declaring he was one with the father forced them to back down.

Here is another discussion of the passage:
http://www.forananswer.org/John/Jn10_34.htm

 

[YAQUBOS]

You don't get it.. it may make you fell better to write that platitude, but it does nothing else.

God is and has already blessed me and continues to... it is what God does. He doesn't need to be reminded or coerced into doing that. You take on quite a load of pride and self importance if you think your little prayer makes God decide to want to bless someone or not.

So save your "o it makes me feel so righteous to say things like that" platitudes. I don't want 'em, they stink of yesterday's fish.

God taught us to bless. Do you want me to disobey Him?YAQUBOS†