Is Astrology a science?

[AV1611VET]

As i said, it's making God out to be a monster.

Does this monster have a name?

 

[Bradskii]

For HIM to do as he wished with his own creation is definitely ok with me. And I deserve no better than they did. Does he owe them mercy? No!

I'm afraid that this says more about you than it does God...

 

[Mark Quayle]

So creating children knowing full well that He was going to drown them is fine by you?

As i said, it's making God out to be
a monster.

Does this monster have a name?

Who are we mere humans, to judge God? We lack the knowledge of his absolute purity and aseity, to be attributing unfairness to his acts. He most obviously —and we know it by simple logic, even if we deny Scripture— made them, knowing their end from their beginning, and cannot be held to account by any mere creature.

 

[Bradskii]

Who are we mere humans, to judge God? We lack the knowledge of his absolute purity and aseity, to be attributing unfairness to his acts. He most obviously —and we know it by simple logic, even if we deny Scripture— made them, knowing their end from their beginning, and cannot be held to account by any mere creature.

I'm not judging God. Which shouldn't come as a suprise, as I don't believe He exists. I'm judging you.

 

[Mark Quayle]

I'm not judging God. Which shouldn't come as a suprise, as I don't believe He exists. I'm judging you.

Ha!, yes. But IF God exists, which seems to be the assumption in this conversation, there are certain facts about him that must be considered true, or he is only a being somewhere beyond us. NO! God is omnipotent, self-existent —what is the word?— raw fact? No that's not it, but it escapes me at the moment. He is the default fact, and all fact proceeds from him, or he is not God. This is our GOOD God, but he is not tame.

You've probably heard me say this before; there're two Bible stories that well describe how people see God: In one, the parable of the talents, the servant who thought he could break even says, "‘I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed." This contrasts with what Jonah —disobedient, angry, prejudiced and hateful, but he knew God— says, "I know that You are a gracious and merciful God, slow to anger and abundant in lovingkindness, One who relents from doing harm.” And to the ungrateful, who thinks God to be hard, and demands God should be fair, demanding no more than he gives, God will show himself hard.

We all die, sooner or later, and many of us die horribly. Is it any worse to drown as a little child before humanity has done their worst to them? Further, we know, IF God is God, that he will be perfectly just with them. He looks on the heart to judge their deeds.

C'mon, you can do better than to appeal to God drowning millions of children. Go the whole way, and judge him for creating horribly deformed, sick and hungry, tortured souls, a whole life in pain!

 

[GodsGrace101]

Who are we mere humans, to judge God? We lack the knowledge of his absolute purity and aseity, to be attributing unfairness to his acts. He most obviously —and we know it by simple logic, even if we deny Scripture— made them, knowing their end from their beginning, and cannot be held to account by any mere creature.

Maybe we shouldn't judge God.
But can we trust Him?

 

[GodsGrace101]

Ha!, yes. But IF God exists, which seems to be the assumption in this conversation, there are certain facts about him that must be considered true, or he is only a being somewhere beyond us. NO! God is omnipotent, self-existent —what is the word?— raw fact? No that's not it, but it escapes me at the moment. He is the default fact, and all fact proceeds from him, or he is not God. This is our GOOD God, but he is not tame.

You've probably heard me say this before; there're two Bible stories that well describe how people see God: In one, the parable of the talents, the servant who thought he could break even says, "‘I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed." This contrasts with what Jonah —disobedient, angry, prejudiced and hateful, but he knew God— says, "I know that You are a gracious and merciful God, slow to anger and abundant in lovingkindness, One who relents from doing harm.” And to the ungrateful, who thinks God to be hard, and demands God should be fair, demanding no more than he gives, God will show himself hard.

We all die, sooner or later, and many of us die horribly. Is it any worse to drown as a little child before humanity has done their worst to them? Further, we know, IF God is God, that he will be perfectly just with them. He looks on the heart to judge their deeds.

C'mon, you can do better than to appeal to God drowning millions of children. Go the whole way, and judge him for creating horribly deformed, sick and hungry, tortured souls, a whole life in pain!

You don't believe in a just God.
It's rather horrifying to me that you get to speak to atheists.

But I doubt you have any effect on him/them.

 

[Tuur]

Read some geology, if you've any actual
interest in what you are seeing.

I have, more pertaining to what I'm seeing than a real study. This is how I know the current theory of the aforementioned dunes in the Southeastern US, and the question of the Carolina Bays. The Carolina Bays are a real puzzle, and there have been various theories, such as the comet theory (disproven), or prevailing winds skowering depressions theory (which isn't entirely satisfactory, either).

The problem of the dunes is the shear volume of sand. My first encounter with them, I thought "Barrier island sequence," except the sand is riverine and further from the coasts than known barrier island sequences. Then I read the theory that the sand blew out of river and stream beds during a period of glaciation due to the resulting lower water table and drought, and went "Okay." Then I started thinking about an ancient dune where the adjacent stream is rather small, then I went "It must be part of an ancient oxbow." Except the topographic maps don't show evidence of a channel. Hills, yes; channel, no.

Something fun: Usually around rivers with oxbows, the topography is fairly flat, though it can steepen towards the sides. Sometimes, during floods, rivers deposit sediments paralleling the channel, making a slight rise in the ground.

Anyway, there are all sorts of oddities like this, and things aren't quite as settled as we might think. I remember when the idea that an asteroid caused the extinction at the end of the Cretaceous was thought a wild idea, and now it's accepted science.

 

[Bradskii]

C'mon, you can do better than to appeal to God drowning millions of children. Go the whole way, and judge him for creating horribly deformed, sick and hungry, tortured souls, a whole life in pain!

I can't judge someone I don't believe exists. So I don't ask these questions to try to know God better. I do them to find out what sort of person believes He could do what was discussed. That's been done.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Maybe we shouldn't judge God.
But can we trust Him?

Certainly! Contrast what the last servant in the parable of the talents, who thought he could break even, says about his master, with what Jonah says, about why he didn't want to go to Ninevah!

"Whom else have I in heaven but you, and being with you, I desire nothing on earth."

 

[Mark Quayle]

I can't judge someone I don't believe exists. So I don't ask these questions to try to know God better. I do them to find out what sort of person believes He could do what was discussed. That's been done.

Fair enough. Judge away, then...

 

[Mark Quayle]

You don't believe in a just God.
It's rather horrifying to me that you get to speak to atheists.

But I doubt you have any effect on him/them.

God does.

 

[Tuur]

Speaking of geology, how is it the Colorado River allegedly carved out the Grand Canyon, when the Mississippi River didn't do diddly by comparison?

My guess is that it's like real estate: location, location, location. An off-the-cuff hypothesis is that the Colorado formed in an area of uplift and sedimentary rocks while the Mississippi formed in soft sediment of the inland sea.

Something fun to look for is a feature known as fall line. This is the line in rivers and streams that marks the division between rocky soil and soft sediment, and is usually marked by water falls of some sort.

 

[AV1611VET]

Who are we mere humans, to judge God? We lack the knowledge of his absolute purity and aseity, to be attributing unfairness to his acts. He most obviously —and we know it by simple logic, even if we deny Scripture— made them, knowing their end from their beginning, and cannot be held to account by any mere creature.

I wasn't calling Him a monster.

Genesis 18:25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?

I was merely making the point that academia doesn't even get His name right; yet they want us to judge His actions.

For the record, I don't think they have a clue Who they're accusing, or even what they're accusing Him of, since a mass murderer wouldn't forewarn his victims ahead of time that he's coming.

Luke 23:34a Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.

 

[GodsGrace101]

Certainly! Contrast what the last servant in the parable of the talents, who thought he could break even, says about his master, with what Jonah says, about why he didn't want to go to Ninevah!

"Whom else have I in heaven but you, and being with you, I desire nothing on earth."

How does a person trust a God that has no rules?
Does whatever He wants to at any given moment...
To any given person,
Including banishing them to hell
For no reason,
And is totally unjust.

How do you trust an unjust God?

 

[GodsGrace101]

I wasn't calling Him a monster.

Genesis 18:25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?

I was merely making the point that academia doesn't even get His name right; yet they want us to judge His actions.

For the record, I don't think they have a clue Who they're accusing, or even what they're accusing Him of, since a mass murderer wouldn't forewarn his victims ahead of time that he's coming.

Luke 23:34a Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.

Actually, the reformed God IS a monster.

Happily for those that believe God exists, ONLY the reformed denomination believe in that particular God.

 

[Astrid]

I have, more pertaining to what I'm seeing than a real study. This is how I know the current theory of the aforementioned dunes in the Southeastern US, and the question of the Carolina Bays. The Carolina Bays are a real puzzle, and there have been various theories, such as the comet theory (disproven), or prevailing winds skowering depressions theory (which isn't entirely satisfactory, either).

The problem of the dunes is the shear volume of sand. My first encounter with them, I thought "Barrier island sequence," except the sand is riverine and further from the coasts than known barrier island sequences. Then I read the theory that the sand blew out of river and stream beds during a period of glaciation due to the resulting lower water table and drought, and went "Okay." Then I started thinking about an ancient dune where the adjacent stream is rather small, then I went "It must be part of an ancient oxbow." Except the topographic maps don't show evidence of a channel. Hills, yes; channel, no.

Something fun: Usually around rivers with oxbows, the topography is fairly flat, though it can steepen towards the sides. Sometimes, during floods, rivers deposit sediments paralleling the channel, making a slight rise in the ground.

Anyway, there are all sorts of oddities like this, and things aren't quite as settled as we might think. I remember when the idea that an asteroid caused the extinction at the end of the Cretaceous was thought a wild idea, and now it's accepted science.

I did a double bachelors, zoology and geology,
before I started grad school.

You might like to read " Basin and Range" ( McPhee)
Take a look at least. A great writer, not a geologist
or writing for geologists. One of my profs commented
on reading his work, " there'd be a lot more geologists if
he wrote the texts ".
Anyway, glad you are interested, carry on.

 

[AV1611VET]

Actually, the reformed God IS a monster.

What's His name?

Happily for those that believe God exists, ONLY the reformed denomination believe in that particular God.

And His name is?

 

[Astrid]

You don't believe in a just God.
It's rather horrifying to me that you get to speak to atheists.

But I doubt you have any effect on him/them.

I don't know your specific reference, this following
is a general comment.

I've had the privilege of meeting, getting to know
some outstanding scholars, and other really most
excellent people in the USA, from Wyoming
rancher to NYC lawyers and other ivy leaguers,
who happen to be Christians. I've had long talks
with a most interesting Jesuit priest.

At the other end. I met someone who let me know
of his hatred for atheists and how he prays for Word
that it's time to kill all the atheists. Hed have me
hanging from a lamppost.

And there's those who just speak all manner of unjust
calumny, and are so ignorant that it most cracks my
brain to hear them try to talk science.

The RELIGION, Christianity is noble and even the
inquisitors or the meanest spirited lame brains who
call forth God to endorse them can youch Christianity with their spittle.

Not in my eyes. Mileeage may vary.

I hope none would be judging the religion by
the least among you. Us. I dont.

 

[GodsGrace101]

What's His name?



And His name is?

Well AV
Actually, the reformed use the same name for Him that the rest of Christianit, Judaism and Islam use for Him: Yaweh