Is Astrology a science?

[inquiring mind]

"Jew" isn't a sentence; it's a noun. (Unless the speaker is a bigot, in which case they may have used it as an adjective or verb.)

Read it again... he said he could do it in one word.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Read it again... he said he could do it in one word.

How did this evangelist survive an encounter with "the queen" by failing to respond correctly (with a sentence).

(It's also not an argument.)

 

[Astrid]

Just science I suppose.

No, just another quip

 

[Ligurian]

This is simple enough. We all know biology and chemistry and geology are fields of scientific endeavor. But what about Astrology? Do you consider that Astrology is a science?

36 pages... seriously?

"To illustrate the fable of [Hercules] labors (altering the order in which they are usually given), let us suppose the sun to commence his annual course at the summer sohstice, which was indeed considered as the opening of the year, by different ancient nations.

In the first month the sun passes into the sign Leo. The first labor of Hercules was the slaying of the Nemaean' Lion.

In the second month the sun enters Hydra. The second labor of Hercules was the killing of the Hydra, or dragon of many heads. The constellation Hydra is peculiar for its length. Its head rises with Cancer; its body extends under the sign Leo, and only ends at the later degrees of the sign Virgo. Hence the fable of the continual re-appearance of the heads of the monster whom Hercules slew.

In the third month the sun enters the sign Libra, when the constellation of Centaur rises, represented as bearing a wine-skin full of liquor, and a thyrsus adorned with vine-leaves and grapes. Bayer represents him with a thyrsus in one hand, and a flask of wine in the other; and the Alphonsine tables, with a goblet in his hand. At this same period, what, by some, is termed the constellation of the Boar rises. In his third labor, Hercules, after being hospitably entertained by a Centaur, encountered and slew the other Centaurs, who fought for a cask of wine. He slew also the Erymanthian Boar.

In the fourth month the sun enters Scorpio, when Cassiopeia rises, who was represented, anciently, by a stag. In his fourth labor, Hercules caught the famous stag with golden horns and brazen feet, and breathing fire from its nostrils; aptly representing a constellation studded with blazing stars, and which unites itself with the solstitial fires of the sun.

In the fifth month, the sun enters Sagittarius (the archer), when also appear the constellations of the vulture, swan, and eagle. In his fifth labor, Hercules destroyed, with arrows, the three birds near the lake Stymphalus.

In the sixth month, the sun enters Caprioornus, said to be a grandson of the luminary. At this period, the stream which flows from Aquarius sets. Its source is between the hands of Aristseus, son of the river Peneus. In his sixth labor, Hercules cleansed, by means of the river Peneus, the stables of Augias, son of Phoebus.

In the seventh month, the sun enters the sign Aquarius; the constellation of the Lyre, or Vulture, sets, which is by the side of the constellation Prometheus; and the celestial bull, the bull of Pasiphae, or of Marathon, or of Europa, passes the meridian. In his seventh labor. Hercules brought alive, into the Peloponnesus, a wild bull which laid waste the island of Crete. He also slew the vulture which preyed upon the liver of Prometheus. It should be observed that the ooustellation of the Vulture sets, and that the Vulture was killed; that the constellation of the bull crosses the meridian merely, and that Hercules brought his bull to Greece alive.

In the eighth month, the sun enters Pisces, and the celestial horse Pegasus, or Arion rises. Hercules, in his eighth labor, overcame and carried off the horses of Diomedes.

In the ninth month the sun enters the sign Aries (pacred to Mars), the same with the ram of the golden fleece; the celestial ship Argo rises; Cassiopeia and Andromeda set; Andromeda is remarkable for its many beautiful stars, one of which is called her girdle. In his ninth labor, Hercules embarked on board the Argo in quest of the golden fleece; contended with female warriors, and took from their queen. Hippolyta, the daughter of Mars, a famous girdle.

In the tenth month, the sun enters Taurus; the constellation Orion, fabled to have pursued the Pleiades, daughters of Atlas; the conductor of the oxen of Icarus, and the river Eridanus, also; the Pleiades rise, and the she-goat, fabled to have been the spouse of Faunas. The tenth labor of Hercules was restoring from pirates, employed by Busiris, the seven Pleiades to their father; slaying Busiris, the same as Orion; bearing away the oxen of Geryon, and vanquishing Caous.

In the eleventh month, the sun passes into the sign of Gemini; Procyon sets; the Dog-star rises, and the swan. In his eleventh labor, Hercules conquered the Dog Cerberus, and triumphed over Cycnus (Swan), at the time when the dog-star's influence is felt upon the fields.

In the twelfth month the sun enters the sign Cancer, the last of the twelve, commencing with Leo. The constellations of the river and the Centaur set, that of Hercules Ingeniculus also descends towards the western regions, or those of Hesperia, followed by the dragon of the pole, the guardian of the golden apples of the Hesperides, whose head he crushes with his foot. In his twelfth labor, Hercules travelled to Hesperia in quest of the golden fruit, guarded by the dragon."
--M. A. Dwight, Greek and Roman Mythology, pp.330-331

Grecian and Roman mythology : Dwight, M. A. (Mary Ann), 1806-1858 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

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The Gabii Altar, Athena is the Ram, etc.

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[The Barbarian]

People in the intelligent design movement seem to think so. Michael Behe testified in Kitzmiller vs. Dover that astrology is a science in the same sense the "Intelligent Design" is a science.

Astrology would be considered a scientific theory if judged by the same criteria used by a well-known advocate of Intelligent Design to justify his claim that ID is science, a landmark US trial heard on Tuesday.

Under cross examination, ID proponent Michael Behe, a biochemist at Lehigh University in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, admitted his definition of “theory” was so broad it would also include astrology.

Astrology is scientific theory, courtroom told

The criteria used by an advocate of Intelligent Design to justify claims that ID is science would also include astrology, a landmark US trial hears

www.newscientist.com

 

[dwb001]

Which zodiac would be correct?

Western, Eastern, African?

Almost every culture has a different arrangement of stars in their zodiac and many different names/meanings for their constellations.

 

[dwb001]

Thank you for your question. None of the above.

The famous book "The Gospel in the Stars" (or a similar title)
clears this up perfectly, Biblically starting in Creation, Genesis.

It is to me too complicated, except to learn little by little if someone wants to, avoiding the death-traps of mankind along the way. ("keep unstained by the world")

So there is another... no way to make up a science when there are almost an infinite number of starting points.

 

[dwb001]

Sorry, no. Not science, not at all. Science that is man made, well, like Einstein said,

“Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-​

a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.”​

― Albert Einstein

That is the point I am making.

 

[dlamberth]

Astrology is the practice of intuition. It is not science in the way that I understand what science is.

For full disclosure I know a number of astrology practitioners. Out of curiosity I've had my chart drawn. I've participated in meditation walks based on the planets which is a practice that I still occasionally do. Yet I do not take any of it as science or as physical reality in any way, shape or form. The closest I've come to any kind of reality thing is that I've found that the planet walks have awaken aspects within myself that I would not have otherwise have been aware of.

 

[AV1611VET]

I've participated in meditation walks based on the planets which is a practice that I still occasionally do.

Did you include Pluto in your walks?

 

[The Barbarian]

Did you include Pluto in your walks?

On a leash, I assume.

 

[dwb001]

Did you include Pluto in your walks?

Dang it... now I am sad... I miss Pluto.

 

[dwb001]

On a leash, I assume.

That brings a tear to the eye.

 

[dlamberth]

Did you include Pluto in your walks?

Yes, Pluto was included.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, Pluto was included.

Did you sympathize with the Heaven's Gate organization?

 

[d taylor]

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I vote yes they both have pagan origins.

 

[dlamberth]

Did you sympathize with the Heaven's Gate organization?

I had to use Google to know who you were talking about. Why ask about that cult?

 

[AV1611VET]

I had to use Google to know who you were talking about. Why ask about that cult?

Because they were under the impression that there was a UFO behind the Hale-Bopp comet.

 

[dlamberth]

Because they were under the impression that there was a UFO behind the Hale-Bopp comet.

Whats that have to do with anything?

 

[jayem]

Interesting thread. Astrology is to science as cotton candy is to nutrition. For entertainment purposes only.