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Is Astrology a science?

Is Astrology a science?

  • Astrology is a science.

  • Astrology is not a science.


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Kylie

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Where I live we have 12 feet of muck left by the glaciers. Under that, we find layers of conglomerate rock that took time to produce. Clearly, there was something here before the glaciers. If you live in Guam you do not have any of that to study. There are only 6,000 years of history there. Many of the people in Guam are from the Philippines. If you go to the 10,000 pacific islands then you see a big change. 12,000 years ago the glaciers melted and the water level went up higher. Biodiversity there is based on an ice age configuration of the Islands at that water level. A big consideration is that there is no way the plants and animals on Pacific Islands were from the middle east and they were not on an Ark. That is what Darwin says he found in the Galapagos Islands.

We know there was a worldwide flood at the time of Pangea. We know that Noah's flood was an Archetype of the flood at the time of Pangea and of all floods. That is the way the Bible works. Everything in the Bible pertains to us at all times and in each and every generation. I constantly hear, the end is near and Bible prophecy is true. I have heard people say that for over 50 years. For them, it is all true. I had a friend who died recently and he was talking a lot about the rapture and how close it was. For him, it was very close. It was his time to go. We know life is short and the end will be here a lot sooner than people think or realize. We should not waste our time. We need to take advantage of the little bit of time we are given here on this earth.
Yeah, this doesn't actually address my point.

If you accept the processes that occur in "micro-evolution" (a phrase never uttered by actual biologists in serious science, but only in pop-culture science and colloquialisms) actually occur, then by definition you accept "macro-evolution" as well. The processes in macro evolution are absolutely identical to the processes that take place with micro evolution.
 
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You claim they were given the opportunity to see such things.

Such as...? You give no actual examples here. You can't just say these things exist and then not actually produce them.
That claims that them so called "professors"
are intellectually dishonest, we see that over
and over.
As presented by a yec of any stripe it's
particularly rich.
As noted, there's no examples, let alone
any sign that it's characteristic of the
profession.
I suppose part of it is resentment of people
better educated who they fancy to look down
on them.
Then too, there is psychological projection,
as refusal to look at evidence, or think about
it, understand or accept it, is a universal among
yec. For those who are educated enough to
have read about deep time, evolution etc,
the only thing open to a yec is to give it up
for a more enlightened faith, or, go for the
exact intellectual dishonesty that is being
projected onto the researchers.

We'd love to see some actual yec- evidence
such as professors deny and yecs claim exists.

There's the polar ice that yecs deny. I've kind
of a collection of ways that they concoct to
get around that disproof of flood.

" yes, the ice floated but it just spun around in
circumpolar current and then settled back down"
is a personal fav.
 
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But no one is denying that chemicals in plants can have medicinal uses.

Revelation 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
 
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You think that science is dishonest?
People can be dishonest. Science cannot be.
Nor can music, or math.

Do you know what intellectual honesty /
dishonesty is?
Wiki probably has a few paragraphs on it.

We have many examples here in these forums.
 
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There is a big difference between faith and science
regarding objectivity.
For science, every effort to be as objective as
possible is a highest value, and, an absolute
imperative to success.

Faith, as described in the Bible, is belief in the
truth of things unseen. God, if such there be has
not gifted us with proof, not with a speck of evidence
that He exists at all.

So no objective assessment gives us a reason
to believe. Some feel Him in their hearts.
That's fine. It's subjective, it's faith.

"I feel like this rocket will fly" dont cut it.
It's gotta be real, objective evidence.

Nobody achieves perfect objectivity or subjectivity.
Or perfect anything.

The difference between one who embraces
subjectivity- say, a musician or poet or mystic,
or a scientist or engineer at work is like the difference
between someone who never washes herself or combs
her hair, and another ready for the fashion show.

Neither is 100 percent messy or tidy
But we'd all notice the difference.
 
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It's well documented that the vast majority of medicines that we use today come from plants.
Good.
And then the rest of the story.
Instead of keeping the healing parts without causing any harm,
the plants / chemicals/ synthetic or not
were created that cause harm.
 
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You claim they were given the opportunity to see such things.

Such as...? You give no actual examples here. You can't just say these things exist and then not actually produce them.
Abe Lincoln comes to mind. He existed. He lived. But I won't try to produce him.
 
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We know there was a worldwide flood at the time of Pangea. We know that Noah's flood was an Archetype of the flood at the time of Pangea and of all floods. That is the way the Bible works. Everything in the Bible pertains to us at all times and in each and every generation. I constantly hear, the end is near and Bible prophecy is true. I have heard people say that for over 50 years. For them, it is all true. I had a friend who died recently and he was talking a lot about the rapture and how close it was. For him, it was very close. It was his time to go. We know life is short and the end will be here a lot sooner than people think or realize. We should not waste our time. We need to take advantage of the little bit of time we are given here on this earth.
Well according to some hard core fanatics here the worldwide flood occurred in 2348 BC, are you suggesting that Pangea existed at this time?
If on the other hand you accept the scientific account that Pangea began breaking up around 200 million years ago and given the Bible provides an eyewitness account through Noah, implies humans have been around for at least 200 million years.

So which is the correct version?
Here is a hint, neither is correct.
 
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Abe Lincoln comes to mind. He existed. He lived. But I won't try to produce him.

As far as I can tell going back several iterations of this sub-thread, you are claiming that scientists have evidence of miracles, but won't show them because they control the media for large amounts of money, or something like that?

(We do not.)
 
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As far as I can tell going back several iterations of this sub-thread, you are claiming that scientists have evidence of miracles, but won't show them because they control the media for large amounts of money, or something like that?

(We do not.)
I didn't know Rupert Murdoch was a scientist.:)
 
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I didn't know Rupert Murdoch was a scientist.:)

I'm just waiting for my control of millions (or billions, I'm not picky). (On the other hand, I am a member of the societies that publish most of my papers...)
 
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I'm just waiting for my control of millions (or billions, I'm not picky). (On the other hand, I am a member of the societies that publish most of my papers...)
Incidentally Rupert along with Vegemite are the two worst exports Australia have given to the world.
 
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Well according to some hard core fanatics here the worldwide flood occurred in 2348 BC
Noah's flood in the Tigris Euphrates river valley took place in 2348 BC. The flood that took place at Pangea was a world wide flood. I do not deny that there was 200 million years between those floods. The Rabbi say that Noah's flood was an archetype of all the other floods.

Noah did not have wild plants and animals on the Ark. They were all domesticated plants and animals. There is plenty of evidence for this in Science. Noah saved the civilized world. Science has put some research on how civilization spread from the MIddle East to Europe. When you produce more food, you can feed more people and the world population grows. They call this the neolithic revolution.
 
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I'm just waiting for my control of millions
At the current rate of hyperinflation millions may soon be chump change. Look at Washington. They had to go through 20 votes before they finally agreed to cut the new kids in on the payola.
 
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Good.
And then the rest of the story.
Instead of keeping the healing parts without causing any harm,
the plants / chemicals/ synthetic or not
were created that cause harm.
What are you going on about?

Are you saying that scientists found the plants that have chemicals that heal, but then ignored those parts and used the same plants top cause chemicals that harm?
 
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Abe Lincoln comes to mind. He existed. He lived. But I won't try to produce him.
You don't need to.

You can produce things that he wrote himself. You can produce photographs of him. You can produce eyewitness accounts of him that were produced by his contemporaries. You can produce lots of official government records of him. You can produce media reports of him.
 
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Noah's flood in the Tigris Euphrates river valley took place in 2348 BC. The flood that took place at Pangea was a world wide flood. I do not deny that there was 200 million years between those floods. The Rabbi say that Noah's flood was an archetype of all the other floods.

Noah did not have wild plants and animals on the Ark. They were all domesticated plants and animals. There is plenty of evidence for this in Science. Noah saved the civilized world. Science has put some research on how civilization spread from the MIddle East to Europe. When you produce more food, you can feed more people and the world population grows. They call this the neolithic revolution.
This is confusing.
Initially you claim Noah's flood occurred in the Tigris Euphrates river valley making it a local flood which contradicts the Biblical account.
Then you conclude Noah saved the civilized world which would make the flood global not local.
You can't have it both ways, in fact you can't have it either way as the earliest historically attestable person found in the Bible supported by archaeological evidence in Egypt is the 22nd dynasty pharaoh Shoshenq I, whose name is translated into Shishak in the Bible.
Noah is a mythical individual.

As far a global flood taking place in Pangea you are also contradicting the creationists relying on the pseudoscience of flood geology by claiming the Pangean flood is contemporaneous with Noah's time
 
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