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The fact that you are able to reply to me on a device that operates according to scientific principles is proof you are wrong.Science works?
No, science doesn't work.
When it comes to miracles, that is.
So whether I'm ignorant as a hay rake when it comes to science; or whether I'm omniscient when it comes to science; science doesn't apply.
Science? No idea about scienceThe fact that you are able to reply to me on a device that operates according to scientific principles is proof you are wrong.
Science works just fine. You deciding it doesn't apply in certain situations doesn't mean you are right, it just shows that you don't have any idea how science works.
Science? No idea about science goes with yec territory.
For doubt, there's the aforementioned Carolina Bays. These are depressions in the Eastern US that tend to become swampy and seem to follow a pattern, but there doesn't seem to be a cause that's clearly understood. For misinterpretation, anything. To use an example from the state of Georgia, about midway in the state you can find boulders sitting in fields. "Aha!" some geologists said. "That shows there were glaciers there at one time, and the marks on these boulders prove it." Except it turned out the marks were due to logging chains being attached to them, and the glacier theory was dropped. That the boulders are there is clear for all to see. How they got there is the point of interpretation.What do you think there is in geology that is in
doubt and "open to misinterpretation"?
Ok .. so your belief in the existence of miracles, is to keep alive your faith in scriptures.Science works?
No, science doesn't work.
When it comes to miracles, that is.
So whether I'm ignorant as a hay rake when it comes to science; or whether I'm omniscient when it comes to science; science doesn't apply.
All this is well written, but what's been in the back of my mind came to the forefront: I've seen water on top of ice. The obvious solution to this is that the ice was attached to something that didn't allow it to rise. What seems like a frivolous example is when water from dripping outside faucets at school froze to the asphalt and continued to flow on top (and we boys would get into trouble for sliding across it). The water couldn't go under the ice, and so it flowed across the top. The result was that the ice didn't float on the water, which is would have had the water been able to get under it.Let's make the assumption that the flood covers
the land, everything goes underwater.
If one wants to go lalaland with "hydroplate theory"
and that the earth was all tropical lowland 4000
years ago, it's beyond any sane discussion.
So I will assume you are sane and understand numbers,
and continue.
The average thickness of antarctic ice is 2,160
meters. So let's just use that number.
Here comes the flood, and now the ice is overlooked
by water. Ice floats.
Put an ice cube in a glass. Add water. It floats.
Is glacial ice " stuck down" like ice in a sidewalk?
Let's say it is.
Density of water is 1g / cc at 4 degrees C
At -40 it's .96, at 100, it's also ,96
Ice is O.917 g / cc, though it becomes slightly denser
if it's very cold. 0.934g /cc at -180 C.
Let's have the water at 4 C. I g / cc and the ice
is 0.917 g/ cc.
In very round numbers, ice is 8% less dense than
water. Who could guess the salinity of the "flood"
so let's disregard the greater buoyancy of seawater.
What would be the buoyancy of 1000 kilos of ice?
Shouldn't it be able to hold 80 kilos?
Walrus climb up on ice flows without sinking them.
A square meter of ice 2000 meters tall is what,
2000 cubic meters. A cubic meter is 1000 kg
A cubic meter of ice is 917 kg.
The buoyancy- it's lifting power- is 83 kg per cubic meter. 2000 meter thick ice would have a buoyancy
of lets see...186,000 kg per square meter.
You see how IF water flooded over a glacier, it's gonna float?
For fun calculate how high out of the water 2000
meters of ice would float.
"If" it actually happened, it would be physically impossible for the Earth to keep a flood that covered the earth a secret.You keep telling me what the earth told you.
But I get the impression, since the earth DIDN'T TELL YOU about the Flood, you think it didn't happen.
Perhaps your earth doesn't want to tell you?
Maybe she's keeping it a secret?
I don't care how much you love her, if she's keeping information from you (for whatever reason), that doesn't mean it didn't happen.
The ice you described was adhering to a surface toAll this is well written, but what's been in the back of my mind came to the forefront: I've seen water on top of ice. The obvious solution to this is that the ice was attached to something that didn't allow it to rise. What seems like a frivolous example is when water from dripping outside faucets at school froze to the asphalt and continued to flow on top (and we boys would get into trouble for sliding across it). The water couldn't go under the ice, and so it flowed across the top. The result was that the ice didn't float on the water, which is would have had the water been able to get under it.
I'm less clear on memories of water on top of ice at places like streams. Again, it has to be because the ice was attached to something, but I can't recall what that something was. Maybe nothing more than the banks of the stream. But it was enough that the water went across the top instead of the ice popping up to the surface.
That's why I'm thinking that it's not a given. Ice is less dense than water. Always has been; always will be. Ice floats on water. But sometimes ice can't float, though it would otherwise.
Science has a placebo effect. They have the power of suggestion and the power of positive thinking. Miracles are based on what God is able to do for us. To restore us to His plan and purpose. When the doctors have done all they can do for you. That is the time to pray and go beyond what man can do apart from God.No, science doesn't work.
When it comes to miracles, that is.
Your belief that science is irrelevant does not actually make it irrelevant.
"If" it actually happened, it would be physically impossible for the Earth to keep a flood that covered the earth a secret.
There is no secret. Noah's flood was local from our perspective. But for Noah, it was his world that was flooded. Noah's flood is an archetype of the worldwide flood that took place at the time Pangea was destroyed. Esp the part about how the widows of Heaven were open. There was a big change in the atmosphere at the time so a lot of the water above fell to the earth."If" it actually happened, it would be physically impossible for the Earth to keep a flood that covered the earth a secret.
Noah's flood happened when the Strait of Hormuz gave way and the Persian gulf was formed. Eden is still underwater today.Assuming that the Genesis Flood happened, why did it not wash away the evidence of the Ice Age Floods of the Northwest?
Yes they are real people with real DNA. Not just Noah but all the animals on the Ark have DNA. Science has put a lot of work into the study of how civilization spread from the Middle East to Europe. All the animals and all the food that we read about in our Bible that Noah saved on the Ark. Sheep, Goats, Olives, Barley, and so on.Are these even real peoples? Never heard of them outside the Torah.
You missed a keyword: Miracles. We have to go beyond what Science can do. Remember the women in the Bible that spent all her money and never found a cure? Until she found Jesus and He healed her and did not charge her. If Science had the cure and all the answers, we would have no need for Jesus and the Bible.Science works just fine.
Noah's flood happened when the Strait of Hormuz gave way and the Persian gulf was formed. Eden is still underwater today.
Yes they are real people with real DNA.
Not just Noah but all the animals on the Ark have DNA.
And that's not quite what science has found.Science has put a lot of work into the study of how civilization spread from the Middle East to Europe. All the animals and all the food that we read about in our Bible that Noah saved on the Ark. Sheep, Goats, Olives, Barley, and so on.
I do not know the exact details. It rained for 40 days and nights. The water continued to rise for 150 days until the Mountains or some say hill tops were covered. Then it was another 150 days before the top of Mount Ararat was uncovered. So that adds up to 340 days. Still, Noah was in the ark for another 30 days for a total of 370. So it was over a year before Noah was able to find dry ground.Why was Noah on the Ark for a year then?
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