Is Artificial Insemination Adulterous?

[tigercub]

No pleasure in the matter, that is a matter of the soul, pleasure, and then the will as well, no. Just a matter of sanctity of presence not only sanctity of character. Separate from the world unto God.

I'm sorry. I really cannot understand you. Could you possibly rephrase?

 

[TheDag]

In my posts about the heart, I mean the heart of the spirit, not the pump.

If this is the case then you are absolutely in error making a blanket statement that AI is adultery. It would rather depend on the atitudes. Remember Jesus saying that if a man looks at a woman lustfully he has committed adultery in his heart. Well if a man doesn't look at a woman lustfully then he obviously isn't committing adultery. What is the difference between the two ways of looking. It is a heart attitude. So it would also be with AI. It would depend on the attitude of those involved. So for some it may be right and others it may be wrong.

Of course I still am not changing from my original view that it is not adultery. Especially as I have not seen any evidence to say otherwise. I have only seen opinions and bible verses that rely on a certain interpretation that is not commonly accepted. So what do you think. Would you agree that it might not be adultery or not based on what I said above? Why or why not?

 

[SpiritDriven]

Is artificial insemination adulterous?

Another man apart from the husband, his sex cells from his loins going into the first man's wife, and fusing with her seed in her heart, creating a special bond between the the wife and donor, she never meets.

I think it is foul in the history of her body. Causing need of prayer for salvation in restoration. Jesus blood sprinkled on her and her loins.

Is the honour of mixing seed the legal husband's?

When the child grows and is loved by the mother with features from an outsider, is she growing away from her husband? Should they be esteemed or held humble?

Does this serve God, the economy, lust, peace..., what? Can the legal husband ask for restoration?

No deed of the Flesh is righteouse before God....the only Righteousness before God is confessing Jesus is Lord.

What the flesh does or does not do, has no pre eminence over what happened at the Cross.

It sounds to me that you are questioning a point of Law here...surely you know that by the works of the Law no Flesh is justified....

Peace

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

Adultery is an act of betrayal and friendship with the first friend's rival. A matter of pleasure and interaction, by mentioning no pleasure in an operation, just actions which are said to be painful, and the presence of the person and the other's inner space, I am stating her presence is the matter affected. God wants the husband and wife set apart unto God as a couple.

Part of adultery is a rival man's seed going into and fusing with the other man's wife's seed, or sex cell.

"No one who touches her shall be innocent." Not talking about a kiss on the cheek or a martial arts lesson or a DR, but wifely qualities, her kiss, her child rearing, her sexual union... her seed!

 

[champuru]

I dont think it is adulterous because she never actually has sexual intercourse...but honestly I dont know.

 

[NDNgirl4ever]

There is nothing wrong with artifical insemination. Saying it's adultery is really reaching.It's a medical procedure. There is nothing sexual about it whatsoever.

 

[FaithLikeARock]

I don't believe the woman should have to suffer because her husband can't give her a child (if it's the woman who can't conceive, then artificial insemination wouldn't work anyway). It isn't adultery and to call it such is REALLY over analyzing it because think about it. You don't know who the sperm came from, you aren't having sex to become inseminated. This is almost like saying a woman who isn't wearing a turtle-neck is showing off her breasts. Not really but still.

 

[GrannieAnnie]

If the sperm is not from her husband, then DEFINATELY in my opinion, it is adultery.....

 

[revrobor]

If the sperm is not from her husband, then DEFINATELY in my opinion, it is adultery.....

Apparently you have no idea what constitutes "adultry". Grab any dictionary then re-think your opinion.

 

[tigercub]

If the sperm is not from her husband, then DEFINATELY in my opinion, it is adultery.....

Even if the husband is not able to father children and together with his wife they choose a sperm donor?

 

[TheDag]

Apparently you have no idea what constitutes "adultry". Grab any dictionary then re-think your opinion.

Faulty logic here actually. Go look at thw word gay in a dictionary http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gay Once upon a time you would never have found definition #5 listed under the word gay. The meaning of words change and therefore our understanding of adultery now could be different from what was understood to be adultery in biblical times. That was a point someone made earlier in this thread. I'm not sure I agree with them but it is still true definitions change so simply looking in a dictionary does not help.

 

[TC2]

I suppose then, by many definitions here, that I am an adultress. Also then, as he wholeheartedly agreed, so is my husband for agreeing.

I have never seen a picture of the donor, only the written profile. Dh and I chose the donor together.
DH was in the room, holding my hand, when I was inseminated. There was no donor, no 'other' involved. Just he and I creating a child between us.

Would you refuse blood? Organs? Chemotherapy?
Life saving/pain reliving drugs?

Those things are playing God as well. To say that God must not have wanted you to have kids, but that it's okay to treat cancer is, IMO, crazy. Maybe God's plan for you or your loved one to die? And yet, we waste no time rushing out to 'fix' the problem. Why? B/c it's medical? So is infertility. It's a malfunction of an organ/s of the body.

I do agree that a couple should absolutely be in agreement together before undertaking any ART.
Rushing into this is also a recipe for disaster.

Dh and I have dealt with this for four years.
Gone to counseling, both secular and Christian, explored all our options, from adoption, foreign and domestic (too expensive, time consuming), foster/adopting (just not ready for the problems this brings, and the heartbreak), to embryo adoption (not a good chance of 'taking', too expensive). AI, with donor sperm, was and is our best option.

My prayers go out to those dealing with infertility. Until you've been here, you just DON'T KNOW.

 

[tigercub]

Would you refuse blood? Organs? Chemotherapy?
Life saving/pain reliving drugs?

Those things are playing God as well. To say that God must not have wanted you to have kids, but that it's okay to treat cancer is, IMO, crazy. Maybe God's plan for you or your loved one to die? And yet, we waste no time rushing out to 'fix' the problem. Why? B/c it's medical? So is infertility. It's a malfunction of an organ/s of the body.

I do agree that a couple should absolutely be in agreement together before undertaking any ART.
Rushing into this is also a recipe for disaster.

Absolutely agree

To claim any ART is 'playing God', but be ok with other medical treatment is hypocritical and self-contradictory.

I do agree that a couple should absolutely be in agreement together before undertaking any ART.
Rushing into this is also a recipe for disaster.

Very true.

 

[anonymous1515]

I suppose then, by many definitions here, that I am an adultress. Also then, as he wholeheartedly agreed, so is my husband for agreeing.

I have never seen a picture of the donor, only the written profile. Dh and I chose the donor together.
DH was in the room, holding my hand, when I was inseminated. There was no donor, no 'other' involved. Just he and I creating a child between us.

Would you refuse blood? Organs? Chemotherapy?
Life saving/pain reliving drugs?

Those things are playing God as well. To say that God must not have wanted you to have kids, but that it's okay to treat cancer is, IMO, crazy. Maybe God's plan for you or your loved one to die? And yet, we waste no time rushing out to 'fix' the problem. Why? B/c it's medical? So is infertility. It's a malfunction of an organ/s of the body.

I do agree that a couple should absolutely be in agreement together before undertaking any ART.
Rushing into this is also a recipe for disaster.

Dh and I have dealt with this for four years.
Gone to counseling, both secular and Christian, explored all our options, from adoption, foreign and domestic (too expensive, time consuming), foster/adopting (just not ready for the problems this brings, and the heartbreak), to embryo adoption (not a good chance of 'taking', too expensive). AI, with donor sperm, was and is our best option.

My prayers go out to those dealing with infertility. Until you've been here, you just DON'T KNOW.

Very very true. Congratulations on your child.

 

[Trashionista]

I don't consider it adulterous, but it isn't something I would personally do.

As long as the husband and wife are okay with it, I don't really see it as an issue.

Would surrogate mothers be considered adulterous? As they would be carrying the "fruit of two other people's loins" in her body. I mean, how far would you want to take it?

Neither situation would be something I'd be gungho to do. But I really don't think its anyone else's business, if the couple and sperm donor in question are all ok and i agreement with it.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

My starting this thread is really because I was not sure, I was given the matter as a high imagination that exalts itself against the knowledge of God. A test, a distraction, intended to hurt, I hope it didn't hurt anyone else.

I personally would not do it either, in earnest and dearly would not have peace if someone else made my wife, a hypothetical wife, concieve. It is beyond my imagination to see peace after that. It is really more weighty that a house and twelve sports cars...!

Scientifically writing, there is the option, a Dr described as smart medicine, of directly injecting the egg, with her husband's seed itself! It is said, only 1 in 6 "take". One man was surprised after to find his wife had a black baby however, because, his Dr used a dirty pipette, a black man needed earlier.

Personally, as a Christian, I urge strongly, that believers trust God's Spirit to heal them into fertility. If need be, go on a pilgrimage of trust, a coach trip for then a year or two's stay in under a powerful ministry, reputable, boasting God's Spirit is there in power and love! Recieve prayer for holiness and healing, and children, the Lord names Himself through knowledge gifts. It is real!

Marriage is God's idea, along with male and female, these are uncreated in the sense of God Himself being uncreated, and we are in the uncreated image and likeness. Masculine and feminine love are self existent. Marriages before parent and friends, honouring the mums and dads, in prayer, according to the Bible and in love, are known in Heaven and set there. No one else's seed should mix with the Hubby's or the wifey's.

WWJD? What would Jesus do? And if He spoke audibly to you, what would he say?

God is the provider, healer and His is the order and ancient Way.

 

[TheDag]

I personally would not do it either, in earnest and dearly would not have peace if someone else made my wife, a hypothetical wife, concieve. It is beyond my imagination to see peace after that. It is really more weighty that a house and twelve sports cars...!

So if you wouldn't do it then I hope that should you ever be in a relationship that you would make that clear to your partner BEFORE you get married. Otherwise you could end up destroying your marriage if she was to disagree with you. Of course if you see it as wrong then according to the bible it is wrong for you but not other people.

Scientifically writing, there is the option, a Dr described as smart medicine, of directly injecting the egg, with her husband's seed itself! It is said, only 1 in 6 "take". One man was surprised after to find his wife had a black baby however, because, his Dr used a dirty pipette, a black man needed earlier.

This is not an option for alot of people. Do you understand all the issues involved in fertility problems? This solution ignores most of the problems.

Personally, as a Christian, I urge strongly, that believers trust God's Spirit to heal them into fertility. If need be, go on a pilgrimage of trust, a coach trip for then a year or two's stay in under a powerful ministry, reputable, boasting God's Spirit is there in power and love! Recieve prayer for holiness and healing, and children, the Lord names Himself through knowledge gifts. It is real!

and people have done this kind of thing and come to a different conclusion. Short of biblical evidence which i do not believe you have provided (that is I disagree with your interpretation) there is no reason to not go ahead provided both agree.

WWJD? What would Jesus do? And if He spoke audibly to you, what would he say?

In my understanding I would say that Jesus would say go for it. It is also the same conclusion reached by many who have considered this.

God is the provider, healer and His is the order and ancient Way.

and God provides through medical procedures of which AI is one. Unless you reject all medicine as practiced in hospitals including simple operations like knee surgery or even putting a broken arm in plaster then there is no reason you have put forth that means one should not consider AI.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

TheDag, when asked "what would Jesus do?" you reply confidently doubting the Gospel message, Acts, and Cor 12... And you boast that instead Jesus provides through AI. You doubt and you trust somehow.

I can accept and reject the ethics of Doctors according to my faith in God's word and Spirit, and my discernment and conscience.

And you missed such points as in previous posts references to Dr Cecil Jacobson.

Plain things like not knowing the character of the father.

The issue of the history of the body, 1 Cor. And God restoring our honour. From another person's material and contact. The hand that steals is put to good work.

Outside AI, there is Dr Kevorkian, 1933-44 era German Doctors involved some things which were unright too. To receive an organ donation is a generous thing, yet also there is a black market.

Solomon in Prov 5:17 says, let your wife's honour be yours alone.

And you ignored what I wrote said about marriage being set in Heaven.

Does Jesus want infertility? No, so He's says as before, "Hear and be healed." All God's promises are yes and amen, present day faithful have experienced such healing.

Testimony Link: http://www.michaelreidministries.org/live/index.php?id=301001m

No I haven't looked much into medical research. I only understand the process of fertilization by pipette to be for men whose sex cells don't move properly.

 

[anonymous1515]

I don't know if I would rely on prayer to heal an infertility problem. For me, prayer is about connecting with God, and getting comfort in times of trouble. I don't think it is useful as a means of physical healing. Maybe that's just me.

 

[dayhiker]

I suppose then, by many definitions here, that I am an adultress. Also then, as he wholeheartedly agreed, so is my husband for agreeing.

I have never seen a picture of the donor, only the written profile. Dh and I chose the donor together.
DH was in the room, holding my hand, when I was inseminated. There was no donor, no 'other' involved. Just he and I creating a child between us.

Hi TC2,
Congrats on you guys seccessfully getting a child. I'm totally with you in what you two did. Praise God. I pray your child grows up to love Jesus as you do.

dayhiker