Is Artificial Insemination Adulterous?

[Crazy Liz]

If a husband agrees with AI then his right to be sure all his children are his has not been broken in any way. That is why some have said that the husband should agree.

Abraham agreed in Genesis 12 and Genesis 20, yet both Pharaoh and Abimelech felt it necessary to make reparations to Abraham.

 

[Crazy Liz]

One point behind my view is that the Bible is a complete book, and the answer to modern questions is there.

I read men who go through this are squeemish and embarrased at first and get used to it later.

If a woman is an unbeliever and leaves her husband, Paul in Corinthians writes he maye let her go, no obligations.

But if she is a believer it is different.

I am sure from the principles of God's word that not a finger and not seed from another man should go into a man's wife's loins except her husband's.

Are you saying that seeing a gynecologist is also adultery?

How far do you take this logic? Would you prefer a woman die of cancer than have a surgeon touch her?

I'm just curious where you are coming from.

 

[davedjy]

In AI the latter part of people fusing happens, seed of body and seed of body. The latter part of union. It is a restatement, how can you miss or overlook it in direct contradiction?

I don't understand what you are saying here.

What does a person's seed have to do with as far as adultery is concerned? There isn't any genital contact (and yes, I do realize that oral sex could be viewed as adulterous and rightfully so).

 

[Joykins]

Are you saying that seeing a gynecologist is also adultery?

How far do you take this logic? Would you prefer a woman die of cancer than have a surgeon touch her?

I'm just curious where you are coming from.

To parse logic in the other direction, I have heard women say that it's not really adultery to have a lesbian affair.

 

[TheDag]

Firstly it would be good if in your replies you can quote the part of my post you are responding to as I can tell you are responding to something but am often left clueless as to what you are actually responding to. If you don't know how to do this send me a pm and i will guide you through it.


These bits were clearly in response to certain bits so i can respond to them.

[FONT=Georgia, serif]I cannot understand your response to the point on ethics. The mixing of seed is part of marriage. If one gives her seed and her husband gives her seed to mix with another, to me, that looks like part of a marriage, cell fusion with someone else, not her husband.[/FONT]

It is very simple to understand really. The things you mentioned as being ethics in AI which you say they believe they should not do are not taken into consideration with adoption. If it is wrong in AI then it is also wrong in adoption. It is that simple. If you believe that the child in AI needs to be of same race (or nationality) then the same must apply to adoption. However it is clear that does not happen. While it is true that a childs faith often reflects the parents are you saying we should just leave any others to burn in hell forever???? How puzzling I thought you would want to give every child a chance to grow up in a christian ommunity rather than saying sorry his sperm comes from a muslim background so we don't want it in a christian family.

[FONT=Georgia, serif]Adoption is not adultery, Joseph adopted Jesus. Before Joseph married Mary she was with child, supernatural formation.[/FONT]

Can you please give scripture that proves Joseph adopted Jesus
please. I have never seen any evidence to back up that claim. Sure Jesus was raised in the same house as Joseph but even at a very young age Jesus referred to God as his father. See the story where Jesus as a young boy is teaching in the temple after his parents have started the trip home. His response was Did you not know I would be in my Father's house?"

 

[TheDag]

Abraham agreed in Genesis 12 and Genesis 20, yet both Pharaoh and Abimelech felt it necessary to make reparations to Abraham.

I see no evidence of AI in either of those passages. I saw your earlier posts about these passages and it can be argued that adultery was involved but it can also be argued adultery wasn't involved.

 

[TheDag]

Abraham agreed in Genesis 12 and Genesis 20, yet both Pharaoh and Abimelech felt it necessary to make reparations to Abraham.

There is nothing relating to AI in those passages.

I did see your ealier posts relating to those passages and while it can be argued adultery was involved it can also be argued that adultery was not involved. I don't see it as being conclusive one way or another.

 

[Crazy Liz]

Can you please give scripture that proves Joseph adopted Jesus
please. I have never seen any evidence to back up that claim. Sure Jesus was raised in the same house as Joseph but even at a very young age Jesus referred to God as his father. See the story where Jesus as a young boy is teaching in the temple after his parents have started the trip home. His response was Did you not know I would be in my Father's house?"

How about this?

[bible]matthew 13:55[/bible]

 

[Crazy Liz]

There is nothing relating to AI in those passages.

I did see your ealier posts relating to those passages and while it can be argued adultery was involved it can also be argued that adultery was not involved. I don't see it as being conclusive one way or another.

No, of course. It was a response to the argument that there is no violation when the husband consents.

 

[NHB_MMA]

Another man apart from the husband, his sex cells from his loins going into the first man's wife, and fusing with her seed in her heart, creating a special bond between the the wife and donor, she never meets.

That view seems bizarre. If I donated blood and it saved someone's life, there is no special bond between us. A medical or biological event doesn't always warrant a connection between people.

 

[TheDag]

How about this?

[bible]matthew 13:55[/bible]

That verse is other people talking about their view of him. Jesus as a young boy refereed to his Father's house and by that he meant the temple. Later he asked who is my family and told a story that clearly illustrates that just because they are blood relatives does not make them family to him. He gave quite a different definition of family. I think two verses where jesus is talking about his family outweighs one verse where other people are giving their opinions. Opinions which are not confirmed (or denied).

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

I was writing not that race makes for adultery, but that it is very popular in AI that the husband chooses a donor so the child is similar to himself in a few ways.

JWs out there won't do blood transfusions. But union isn't it, union that is soul and body, mixing seed is just part of it, part nevertheless.

For example, my mother told me it was notorious that doctors would rarely but sometimes make a patient pregnant, while she was asleep. Maybe just by a very little lot of cells, but it does matter. True? If it happened to someone close to you?

Mind you, in India there is a lot of unusual corruption. Also people wake up from surgery with an unnecessary operation sometimes and find they lost a kidney. The Dr makes a black market profit.

More important that an opertion, surgery on a wife... is the need to put the hand into the wife to turn the head downwards in some cases. It is neccesary.

Mary in the tradition of Israel had midwives.

In the case of the Dr's hand going into her, I think prayer for sanctity. That is my opinion.

I think it better for adoption that the baby be of the same cultural racial backround, or if you are white you will have to perghaps research attitude... for an African baby...

 

[revrobor]

Is artificial insemination adulterous?

Another man apart from the husband, his sex cells from his loins going into the first man's wife, and fusing with her seed in her heart, creating a special bond between the the wife and donor, she never meets.

"...fusing with her seed in her heart??????... Have you ever thought of writing fantasy books? You seem to have a real knack for it.

 

[MissLady]

Okay, I have to jump in here. I am a virgin, planning on staying that way till the Lord gives me a husband. HOWEVER, I have a male gyn and I do not for one minute find a thing wrong with that! He is a DOCTOR, he is not doing anything remotely SEXUAL to me. I do not need to pray for any sanctity over being touched by him.

As for women being impregnated by their doctors without their permission...that's rape! Rape and medical exams are in no way, shape or form even closely related.

Would I ever use a sperm donor? No cause I want a child that belongs to me and my future husband. But I would not be opposed to AI using my husband's sperm...even if that means being touched by a male doctor in the process.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

"Out of the belly shall flow rivers of living water." Living water is for the heart, the heart the centre of being is the belly, about where the uterus is. Sort of creation poetic, meaningful...

We all have to pray for sanctity. God's presence to touch us and fill us. I think that if the doctor, that is the gynecologist need turn a baby around as some ultrasounds show is need for head first birth, then the mother should pray for renewed separation to God and her husband. I don't know that, I just think so.

My brother was born ceasarian section, lucky, because his umbilical cord was around his neck twice.

I agree with medical exams principles as you mentioned misslady. But I mentioned corruption, not normal practice. And saw a bad report about a Mormon Jewish Dr, I think Jacobson. He fathered dozens of children or something.

God bless you with a fine husband, God ideas, courage and prosperity.

 

[MissLady]

I find it sick for a doctor to have sex with an unconscious woman, or to use his sperm to inseminate a woman who's willing going through AI, when she thinks it's an anonymous donor she chose from a medical file. But I see nothing wrong with a gyn check up or delivery a baby being done by a male doctor. The only things I pray for in such cases are that the health of the woman (and baby if that's the case) is well. I also pray to get through the exam well cause such exams aren't comfy at all. Luckily the doctor is always gentle and assuring. As I've heard most are.

My apologies if I misunderstood you in any way.

 

[Joykins]

OH, I do remember that. Dr. Cecil Jacobson, don't know his religion, was famous in my area for running a fertility clinic where he artificially inseminated hundreds of women with his own sperm; the women thought they were getting sperm from their husbands or donors. He had hundreds of children--on a Darwinian basis, you understand, this is impressive although illegal and unethical and abusive of the patients who trusted him.

 

[tigercub]

Another man apart from the husband, his sex cells from his loins going into the first man's wife, and fusing with her seed in her heart, creating a special bond between the the wife and donor, she never meets.

I think you might have missed something in high school biology... Fertilization does not taken place in the woman's heart .

I think that if the doctor, that is the gynecologist need turn a baby around as some ultrasounds show is need for head first birth, then the mother should pray for renewed separation to God and her husband. I don't know that, I just think so.

Why? Do you think the Doc is getting any sexual pleasure from sticking his hands inside a heavily pregnant woman, in order to save the life of her baby (and her too I suppose) That is ridiculous. Also, if anyone is praying is such a situation, it really should be for the current issue to resolve itself. Not to assume the wife has now been unfaithful to her husband. It is very unlikely that any woman could gain any sexual gratification from giving birth, let alone from manual manipulation of the infants head within the birth canal! (in fact I have heard it's extremely painful)

 

[EbonNelumbo]

AI adultery? That's just reaching...

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

In my posts about the heart, I mean the heart of the spirit, not the pump.

No pleasure in the matter, that is a matter of the soul, pleasure, and then the will as well, no. Just a matter of sanctity of presence not only sanctity of character. Separate from the world unto God.