Is Artificial Insemination Adulterous?

[GoldenKingGaze]

Is artificial insemination adulterous?

Another man apart from the husband, his sex cells from his loins going into the first man's wife, and fusing with her seed in her heart, creating a special bond between the the wife and donor, she never meets.

I think it is foul in the history of her body. Causing need of prayer for salvation in restoration. Jesus blood sprinkled on her and her loins.

Is the honour of mixing seed the legal husband's?

When the child grows and is loved by the mother with features from an outsider, is she growing away from her husband? Should they be esteemed or held humble?

Does this serve God, the economy, lust, peace..., what? Can the legal husband ask for restoration?

 

[mont974x4]

These are practical questions about the issue that show real concerns about why it is wrong.


However, honestly, the Bible is silent on the issue.

 

[SaintMichaeltheArchangel]

Is artificial insemination adulterous? It's possible, but not probable. The physical act of lovemaking is what bonds two people, and breaking that bond physically is adulterous. I can see that an emotional bond might be formed by the woman for the donor, but I don't think it would be the same as mental adultery or lusting in one's heart.


I don't know if "mixing seed" is an "honor" of the legal husband, but a husband does have the right to his wife's body. If the couple can't conceive because of some defect in the husband (i.e. low sperm count, missing/malfunctioning body parts) and the husband suggests AI, does this mean he would be "pimping out" his wife because he would be encouraging her to be inseminated by another man????

I believe couples have to agree on the AI; a woman cannot do it without her husband's consent. In that case, there would be no need for restitution to the husband. The purpose of AI is to serve the couple's selfish wants. It fuels their greed and pride of wanting a "child of their own"(or at least partly their own) instead of looking to adopt a child who needs parents. I believe that artificial insemination goes against God's plan. Some people's bodies just aren't meant to reproduce - God made them that way! Humans like to find ways to "play God", and AI is one of those ways. For this reason, I firmly believe that AI is morally wrong.

When the child grows and is loved by the mother with features from an outsider, I don't think she would grow away from her husband any more than she would if they had adopted a child that wasn't biologically related to either of them.

 

[Danyc]

Some people's bodies just aren't meant to reproduce - God made them that way! Humans like to find ways to "play God", and AI is one of those ways. For this reason, I firmly believe that AI is morally wrong.

This doesn't really work; what about congenital diseases? If a baby is born with a malformed orgn or body part, is it morally wrong to fix it using medicine? In the same sense, we are 'playing God'.

 

[Ave Maria]

I don't believe it is adultery. If, however, a woman was to go out and find someone other than her husband to have sex with in order to get pregnant, that would be adulterous.

 

[HuntingMan]

This doesn't really work; what about congenital diseases? If a baby is born with a malformed orgn or body part, is it morally wrong to fix it using medicine? In the same sense, we are 'playing God'.

Fantastic point.
It gets so annoying in here seeing this 'playing God' nonsense about things like birth control...but we dont see this same line when doctors save lives or create new drugs to extend life.

Youre absolutely right.
and ALL medicine is in effect 'playing God' if one wants to carry it out to that conclusion, since we're manipulating things we could leave entirely up to Him to deal with.

I mean, if a man has a genetic disease that causes him agonizing pain 24/7...who are we to 'play God' and relieve that suffering ?
If God wanted this man to not be in pain, then God would fix the issue, right?

It seems to me that this 'playing God' nonsense comes up anytime someone doesnt personally like something someone else is doing, birth control or whatever. But it wont come up if that same person agrees with something else such as using machines to keep someone alive who should have died so that their life can be saved.

 

[TheDag]

I believe couples have to agree on the AI; a woman cannot do it without her husband's consent. In that case, there would be no need for restitution to the husband. The purpose of AI is to serve the couple's selfish wants. It fuels their greed and pride of wanting a "child of their own"(or at least partly their own) instead of looking to adopt a child who needs parents. I believe that artificial insemination goes against God's plan. Some people's bodies just aren't meant to reproduce - God made them that way! Humans like to find ways to "play God", and AI is one of those ways. For this reason, I firmly believe that AI is morally wrong

Some of your arguments here can be used to say adoption is wrong.

The other fact you are forgetting is we live in an imperfect world. In a world without sin and therefore without death and decay we wouldn't have these issues. The other thing you are forgetting is that some women are unable to have children because of abuse they have suffered. Are you really saying it was God's will for them to be abused? That is not the God I know.

You also obviously believe the bible is in error. After all look at some of the Jewish customs from biblical times. If your argument was true then God was going against his own will.

 

[TheDag]

Is artificial insemination adulterous?

not in my opinion

Another man apart from the husband, his sex cells from his loins going into the first man's wife, and fusing with her seed in her heart, creating a special bond between the the wife and donor, she never meets.

The heart has nothing to do with AI. AI also does not in any way shape or form fit any description of sex.

I think it is foul in the history of her body. Causing need of prayer for salvation in restoration. Jesus blood sprinkled on her and her loins.

Your entitled to your opinion of course but can I ask on what basis have you formed this opinion? You have just come in here made a statement with no reasoning to back it up. Surely you must have some basis for believing this.

Is the honour of mixing seed the legal husband's?

The bible says sex should be between married couples only except in certain cases in Jewish law and customs in the OT. AI is not sex.

When the child grows and is loved by the mother with features from an outsider, is she growing away from her husband? Should they be esteemed or held humble?

Having a child in no way affects if a couple grows closer together or further apart. If they were to grow further apart is has nothing at all to do with the child but the sin of one or both parents. BTW when I mention sin here I am not talking about AI but rather pride, selfishness, arrogance and things like that.

Does this serve God, the economy, lust, peace..., what? Can the legal husband ask for restoration?

If a husband were to divorce his wife over something like this then he needs to get on his knees and beg for forgiveness. That would only be a problem if the wife did it without her husbands joint consent. If they didn't discuss it beforehand and agree on it then there will be problems but that shows that there are much bigger problems in the marriage that need to be fixed which would make the whole AI issue insignificant.

 

[Lord_Barthok_Soc]

Well, as AI has nothing to do with a relationship or intercourse between the donor and recipient, I would say that in that sense it is not adultery.

The concept of AI was certainly not around in biblical times, so it is difficult to approach this from a directly biblical argument. The only one I can suggest at this time is the approved custom of taking concubines in the place of barren wives, or childless widows being impregnated by their brothers-in-law, where any offspring would be considered the children of the dead husband. An example of this would be Onan in Genesis38, where God is apparently in favour of children being given through a "donor's" sperm, to the point where Onan is put to death for not doing so faithfully.

 

[dayhiker]

One Biblical definitions of adultery is a woman who breaks convant. Being Artifical inseniated dowsn't break the convanate so I don't see how it could be adultery.

I doult that the seed from one man being put into another man's wife fuses her heart to the donors.

dayhiker

 

[billwald]

Maybe it is a virgin birth if she is a virgin.

 

[revrobor]

Is artificial insemination adulterous?

Another man apart from the husband, his sex cells from his loins going into the first man's wife, and fusing with her seed in her heart, creating a special bond between the the wife and donor, she never meets.

I think it is foul in the history of her body. Causing need of prayer for salvation in restoration. Jesus blood sprinkled on her and her loins.

Is the honour of mixing seed the legal husband's?

When the child grows and is loved by the mother with features from an outsider, is she growing away from her husband? Should they be esteemed or held humble?

Does this serve God, the economy, lust, peace..., what? Can the legal husband ask for restoration?

Adultry is having sex with one who is not your spouse. I believe you know that so it appears you are attempting to make an issue out of a subject that isn't even addressed in Scripture. What's your point?

 

[Joykins]

These are practical questions about the issue that show real concerns about why it is wrong.


However, honestly, the Bible is silent on the issue.

[bible]Genesis 30:1-12[/bible]

[bible]Genesis 16:1-6[/bible]

 

[Crazy Liz]

Adultry is having sex with one who is not your spouse. I believe you know that so it appears you are attempting to make an issue out of a subject that isn't even addressed in Scripture. What's your point?

Actually, I think everyone who has posted in this thread so far is working from a modern definition of adultery, not an ancient definition.

Look at the very etymology of the word. It has the same root as the word adulterate. We all know adulterate means to pollute, spoil or poison one thing by mixing in something else that doesn't belong. The word adultery, in its ancient usage, does have to do with the violation of the husband's right to be sure all his wife's children are indeed his offspring, specifically to assure that his inheritance only goes to his legitimate descendants.

Joykins cited some incidents from the OT that we would view as adultery today, but in the ancient world adultery was not an offense a man could commit against his wife. The husband had the right to claim exclusive sexual rights over his wife. The wife had the right to claim nonexclusive sexual rights over her husband.

However, there seem to be some rarer and more elaborate ways to deal with male infertility, somewhat analogous to the methods above. The complex transaction between Abraham, Sarah and Abimelech may have been such a scheme, as a result of which Isaac was conceived. It had to be disguised, though, because while the transaction between Abraham, Sarah and Hagar did not involve adultery, the transaction between Abraham, Sarah and Abimelech apparently did.

It is a modern idea that the essence of adultery is sex, rather than the possibility of conception by a married woman. Adultery in the ancient world was the equivalent of cuckolding.

 

[TheDag]

Look at the very etymology of the word. It has the same root as the word adulterate. We all know adulterate means to pollute, spoil or poison one thing by mixing in something else that doesn't belong. The word adultery, in its ancient usage, does have to do with the violation of the husband's right to be sure all his wife's children are indeed his offspring, specifically to assure that his inheritance only goes to his legitimate descendants.

If a husband agrees with AI then his right to be sure all his children are his has not been broken in any way. That is why some have said that the husband should agree.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

One point behind my view is that the Bible is a complete book, and the answer to modern questions is there.

I read men who go through this are squeemish and embarrased at first and get used to it later.

If a woman is an unbeliever and leaves her husband, Paul in Corinthians writes he maye let her go, no obligations.

But if she is a believer it is different.

I am sure from the principles of God's word that not a finger and not seed from another man should go into a man's wife's loins except her husband's.

Seed has long term consequences!!

That honour of mixing seed is given to her husband, by her and her father.

It should not be given to another.

A man should love his wife's body as his own, as Christ loved the church. And God is Jealous. Paul and the OT.

I think it surely pollutes the history of her body if she allows such contact of seed, anywhere especially in her loins.

For the history of the body to be justified the blood of Jesus should be applied.

It should not be neccessary.

Healing should be sought if a husband is with some illness.

To earnestly want a child is fair.

To earnestly want romance is fair, but in both cases want can be lust if out of order.

Sickeness is sad and tragic.

A husband loving his wife wants her to have his child, but another's? Or if he lost his legs in the war, should he love and arrange for her to spend time with another man? I have something against wife swapping in any way. I want no steps towards it, a pit of snakes as a matter of honour and sanctity, love and friendship, trust and fair play, ego and esteem, and causes.

AI has ethics in it, so the child is as similar as possible, when proceedings are legal to the husband. Race, eye colour, height, faith...

Empathy and then sympathy means I feel the jealousy and loss for honour loving men.

And God wants Godly children, that the thing born to her should be holy.

Jesus blood makes her holy. Hebrews.

When, in this life or in heaven, and how will he, the husband have true peace, be restored in all things and have pre-eminence...? It is what Jesus wants. Acts 3. The restoration of everything.

Firstly, we are all about what Jesus and the Father and the Spirit want!!!

 

[TheDag]

One point behind my view is that the Bible is a complete book, and the answer to modern questions is there.

I read men who go through this are squeemish and embarrased at first and get used to it later.

If a woman is an unbeliever and leaves her husband, Paul in Corinthians writes he maye let her go, no obligations.

But if she is a believer it is different.

I am sure from the principles of God's word that not a finger and not seed from another man should go into a man's wife's loins except her husband's.

Seed has long term consequences!!

Firstly I am not sure what all your talk about divorce has to do with the topic. Care to elaborate?
With AI nothing has to go into the loins. Some methods may but it is not neccesary.

That honour of mixing seed is given to her husband, by her and her father.

It should not be given to another.

A man should love his wife's body as his own, as Christ loved the church. And God is Jealous. Paul and the OT.

Ok I think you need to start actually providing scripture references so we can all look at the context of the passages you are using to back your opinion.

I think it surely pollutes the history of her body if she allows such contact of seed, anywhere especially in her loins.

For the history of the body to be justified the blood of Jesus should be applied.

It should not be neccessary.

Healing should be sought if a husband is with some illness.

To earnestly want a child is fair.

To earnestly want romance is fair, but in both cases want can be lust if out of order.

Sickeness is sad and tragic.

The out of order bit is purely your opinion. What do you mean by the history of the body? What should not be neccesary? Can you try making your posts a bit clearer rather than having so many vague statements that could be interpreted many different ways.

A husband loving his wife wants her to have his child, but another's? Or if he lost his legs in the war, should he love and arrange for her to spend time with another man? I have something against wife swapping in any way. I want no steps towards it, a pit of snakes as a matter of honour and sanctity, love and friendship, trust and fair play, ego and esteem, and causes.

I'm glad you are against wife swapping. AI is not wife swapping however. AI does not involve your wife being given to another man. The donor doesn't even know his donation has been used.

AI has ethics in it, so the child is as similar as possible, when proceedings are legal to the husband. Race, eye colour, height, faith...

The ethics are obviously faulty if they think who you are born to determines the faith of the child which is what you are suggesting here. Are those ethics neccesary? After all those things often aren't considered in adoption. How about you include adoption as being adultery as well. Do you include adoption as adultery? Why or why not?

Empathy and then sympathy means I feel the jealousy and loss for honour loving men.

It is not empathy or sympathy at all if the honour loving man does not have a problem with it.

And God wants Godly children, that the thing born to her should be holy.

Jesus blood makes her holy. Hebrews.

not sure what you mean here but no child is Godly. All are born sinful and fall short of the glory of God. Yes God wants his children to be Godly. Remember that you and I and the eighty year old at church are God's children. God wants us to be holy as he is holy. It has nothing to do with birth.

When, in this life or in heaven, and how will he, the husband have true peace, be restored in all things and have pre-eminence...? It is what Jesus wants. Acts 3. The restoration of everything.

Firstly, we are all about what Jesus and the Father and the Spirit want!!!

Where are you going with this. What does it have to do with the topic?

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]1Co 3:17[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]The body should be carefully looked after.[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]1Co 6:18-20[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]The body is for the Lord and the Lord for the body. We are made for God's honour.[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]1Co 7:12-15[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]God wants us to have peace, and the faithful to Jesus, have holy children. God wants peace, and as some have said, AI is done mostly in way that involves both in the couple's consent. But I or another may not have peace about it were it a situation I or he faced... But I do not make judgements about marriage, ie divorce, but begin to look into it since I want to become a teacher or whatever God wants.[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]1Co 7:32-35[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]We are made for God's honour and service first. That is what I wrote in my own words thinking you would recall the verses.[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]We live now, with peace hopefully, living however for then, for eternity, for the hope of glory, if we are faithful to Jesus.[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]Rom 8:37-39[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, serif]Act 3:21-25[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, serif]Matt 17:11[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, serif]Eph 5:21[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] Honor Christ and put others first. [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, serif]Eph 5:22[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] A wife should put her husband first, as she does the Lord. [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, serif]Eph 5:23[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] A husband is the head of his wife, as Christ is the head and the Savior of the church, which is his own body. [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, serif]Eph 5:24[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] Wives should always put their husbands first, as the church puts Christ first. [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, serif]Eph 5:25[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] A husband should [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]love[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] his [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]wife[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] as much as [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]Christ[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] loved the church and gave his life for it. [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, serif]Eph 5:26[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] He made the church holy by the power of his word, and he made it pure by washing it with water. [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, serif]Eph 5:27[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] Christ did this, so that he would have a glorious and holy church, without faults or spots or wrinkles or any other flaws. [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, serif]Eph 5:28[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] In the same way, a husband should love his wife as much as he loves himself. A husband who loves his wife shows that he loves himself. [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, serif]Eph 5:29[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] None of us hate our own bodies. We provide for them and take good care of them, just as Christ does for the church, [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, serif]Eph 5:30[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] because we are each part of his body. [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, serif]Eph 5:31[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] As the Scriptures say, "A man leaves his father and mother to get married, and he becomes like one person with his wife." [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, serif]Eph 5:32[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] This is a great mystery, but I understand it to mean Christ and his church. [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, serif]Eph 5:33[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] So each husband should love his wife as much as he loves himself, and each wife should respect her husband. [/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]We are for God's honour. And God wants us soon glorified and spotless, perfect, He wants to restore us.[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]Joe 2:25[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] And I will [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]restore[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] to you the years which the swarming locust has eaten, the locust larvae, and the stripping locust, and the cutting locust, My great army which I sent among you. [/FONT]

The wife's seed is the most imortant harvest.

[FONT=Georgia, serif]Love and honour and restoration, the sanctity of body and heart matter. We are living for the eternity to come, we christians. Are we preparing or falling away?[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]I cannot understand your response to the point on ethics. The mixing of seed is part of marriage. If one gives her seed and her husband gives her seed to mix with another, to me, that looks like part of a marriage, cell fusion with someone else, not her husband.[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]Adoption is not adultery, Joseph adopted Jesus. Before Joseph married Mary she was with child, supernatural formation.[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]I think it possible that any kind of union, that is part of marriage, even if not the whole thing, is adulterous, or at least part of it.[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]Children resemble their parents, even possibly in faith, and outlook.[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]Would Christ allow AI?[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]Paul refers to the history of the body. [/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]1Co 6:18[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] Flee fornication. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits fornication sins against [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]his[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] own body.[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]1Pe 1:2[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] the people chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father through the sanctifying work of the Spirit to be obedient to Jesus Christ and to be [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]sprinkled[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] with his [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]blood[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]. May grace and peace be yours in abundance! [/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]Heb 10:29[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, serif]Heb 12:24[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, serif]Heb 13:12[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, serif]Heb 9:19[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, serif]The spirit and soul will be taken into God's presence and refining fire above time. YAHWEH, I AM THAT I AM. Not I WAS... But the body always has a history. It was. So it is blessed by such as the sprinkling of the blood, with honour... But we should not deliberatley go about sinning with the body which means we need more and more restoration, in this life and eternity, of our body's honour...[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]Luther said we carry the nails around in our pockets that were part of Jesus crucifixion.[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]God wants His sons and daughters to have peace of honour, of course it is embarrasing... not to have the honour of mixing seed with your the wife.[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]ASAP the embarrasment should end, in healing, or in God's wonders beyond our imagination in the next life... What more important a harvest, than one's wife's seed! He will restore.[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]Look at the dry tree,[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, serif]Isa 56:3[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] Neither let the foreigner, that hath joined himself to Jehovah, speak, saying, Jehovah will surely separate me from his people; neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a [/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]dry[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]tree[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif]. [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, serif]Isa 56:4[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] For thus saith Jehovah of the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and hold fast my covenant: [/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, serif]Isa 56:5[/FONT][FONT=Georgia, serif] Unto them will I give in my house and within my walls a memorial and a name better than of sons and of daughters; I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off. [/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]The more the loss, the more the restoration.[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]1Pe 1:19[/FONT]
[FONT=Georgia, serif]The Bible keeps saying the same things.[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]We should live for God, in peace now, going through trials, for eternity to come, the afterlife. Jesus blood is part of it.[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]I would not write such a post in a secular forum.. Live for Jesus, and honour, seeking peace and joy, happy by Jesus now, also from looking into what will come... acting now for the eternal reward...[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]Rom 8:17-23[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]Sons and daughters of God await great glory. We correctly look sometimes up and to eternity, like Moses, for the reward, over the passing pleasures of sin. Heb 11:24-28.[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]Having gone beyond the golden rule, and checked the Bible, I am sure AI should not be done by a believer.[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]We should put God first, be sanctified, have Godly children, look into eternity in decisions, hope for glory and restoration and seek peace and holiness with all people. Heb 12 :14.[/FONT]


[FONT=Georgia, serif]Shalom.[/FONT]

 

[davedjy]

Artificial insemination does not constitute adultery in the least way. It does not involve the two having sexual relations, so there isn't any infidelity involved.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

In AI the latter part of people fusing happens, seed of body and seed of body. The latter part of union. It is a restatement, how can you miss or overlook it in direct contradiction?