Is an Open Border Policy a Biblical Mandate?

[Adam56]

Some of these people are merely fleeing failed, warlord dominated states which we helped ruin.

Maybe some are, but many are criminals. The number one priority should be stopping criminals. That is the main duty of government.

 

[BCP1928]

Maybe some are, but many are criminals. The number one priority should be stopping criminals. That is the main duty of government.

Then the first step should be to determine how many of them are actually criminals, rather than just guessing. And, surprise! that is also a first step in evaluating their asylum claims.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Maybe some are, but many are criminals. The number one priority should be stopping criminals. That is the main duty of government.

The majority are actually unicorns and dragons.

That's the thing about claims, anyone can make a claim. The veracity of a claim, however, is always under scrutiny. That's where things like evidence, proof, and facts come into play.

Now if you can substantiate the claim that, proportionally, more people trying to enter are evil kitten-punching psychopaths here to steal, murder, and do crimes that'd be one thing. But I don't think you can substantiate that claim, I think you are saying it because that's what is repeated a lot in the echo chambers you inhabit. Perhaps you can offer official government statistics, or perhaps you can provide some sort of proof. Anecdotes, hearsay, or cherry-picking data won't cut it here. You need to offer real substance to this claim.

Or, perhaps, that too would just be casting pearls before swine?

But if that's the case, then I will simply stand by my claim that it's actually magical creatures entering across the border, and the unicorns and dragons will be a boon to our society, because can you imagine just how cool it will be when Americans, unicorns, and dragons are all allied together to fend off the evil wizard king who wants to conquer the world and usher in a thousand years of darkness? You don't want the undead armies to rise do you? Zombies and skeleton warriors everywhere with their creepy glowing red eyes. That's bad stuff. So more border crossings I say--we need the unicorn-dragon alliance on our side.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

Border issues is a worldly issue. God/Jesus cared about his people coming to him. I think God is appalled about how some Conservative Christians complain about the people, that cross the border's. I believe God wouldn't be fine with a lot of stuff. That I hear and see, from people claiming to be Christians.

 

[BCP1928]

People over all, multitudes of people, are not coming to the usa because of Jesus.
It is all about money.

For most of them its' about safety

And it is mostly or more people opposed to Jesus.

Your opinion of the Roman Catholic faith is noted.

 

[ViaCrucis]

2 John 5-6
And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another. And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

Romans 13:1
Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.

"My brothers, show no partiality as you hold the faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory. For if a man wearing a gold ring and fine clothing comes into your assembly, and a poor man in shabby clothing also comes in, and if you pay attention to the one who wears the fine clothing and say, 'You sit here in a good place,' while you say to the poor man, 'You stand over there,' or, 'Sit down at my feet,' have you not then made distinctions among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts? Listen, my beloved brothers, has not God chosen those who are poor in the world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom, which He has promised to those who love Him? But you have dishonored the poor man. Are not the rich the ones who oppress you, and the ones who drag you into court? Are they not the ones who blaspheme the honorable Name by which you were called?

If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself,' you are doing well. But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it. For He who said, 'Do not commit adultery,' also said, 'Do not murder.' if you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become transgressor of the law. So speak and so act as those who are to be judged under the law of liberty. For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment." - James 2:1-13

"I appeal to you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship. Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.

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Let love be genuine. Abhor what is evil; hold fast to what is good. Love one another with brotherly affection. Outdo one another in showing honor. Do not be slothful in zeal, be fervent in spirit, serve the Lord. Rejoice in hope, be patient in tribulation, be constant in prayer. Contribute to the needs of the saints and seek to show hospitality.

Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse them. Rejoice with those who rejoice, weep with those who weep. Live in harmony with one another. Do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly. Never be wise in your own sight. Repay no one evil for evil, but give thought to do is honorable in the sight of all. If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all. Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, 'Vengeance is Mine, I will repay, says the Lord.' To the contrary, 'If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by doing so you will heap burning coals upon his head.' Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good." - Romans 12:1-2, Romans 12:9-21

"So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.

Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of My Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to Me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and cast out demons in Your name, and do many mighty works in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, "I never knew you, depart from Me, you workers of iniquity.'" - Matthew 7:12-23

"If you love those who love you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. And if you do good to those who do good to you, what benefit is that to you? For even sinners do the same. And if you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, to get back the same amount. But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for He is kind to the ungrateful and the evil. Be merciful, even as your Father is merciful." - Luke 6:32-36

"Why do you call Me, 'Lord, Lord,' and not do what I tell you? Everyone who comes to Me and hears My words and does them, I will show you what he is like: he is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when a flood arose, the stream broke against that house and could not shake it, because it had been well built. But the one who hears and does not do them is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. When the stream broke against it, immediately it fell, and the ruin of that house was great." - Luke 6:46-49

"But he, desiring to justify himself, said to Jesus, 'And who is my neighbor?' Jesus replied, 'A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and he fell among robbers, who stripped him and beat him and departed leaving him half dead. Now by chance a priest was going down that road, and when he saw him, passed by on the other side. So likewise a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. But a Samaritan, as he journeyed, came to where he was, and when he saw him, he had compassion. He went to him and bound up his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he set him on his own animal and brought him to the innkeeper, saying, "Take care of him, and whatever more you spend, I will repay you when I come back." Which of these three, do you think, proved to be a neighbor to the man who fell among the robbers?' He said, 'The one who showed him mercy.' And Jesus said to him, 'You go, and do likewise.'" - Luke 10:29-37

Praise to you Lord Jesus Christ.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[iluvatar5150]

Maybe some are, but many are criminals.

i don’t suppose you have a source for that claim, do you?

 

[Adam56]

Then the first step should be to determine how many of them are actually criminals, rather than just guessing. And, surprise! that is also a first step in evaluating their asylum claims.

Their asylum claims need to be investigated before they are allowed into the country, not investigated years later.

 

[BCP1928]

Their asylum claims need to be investigated before they are allowed into the country, not investigated years later.

They are screened initially before being evaluated in court later.

 

[Adam56]

They are screened initially before being evaluated in court later.

Which is the wrong way of doing things.

 

[BCP1928]

Which is the wrong way of doing things.

Currently, however, it is the legal way.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Which is the wrong way of doing things.

Didn't you say you supported the governing authorities and the laws of the land?

I have a suspicion that you only support and believe this when it happens to be convenient; or more specifically, you find it convenient when it means punishing the people you hate, but inconvenient when it doesn't hurt those you hate.

And if that's the case, then perhaps search your heart as to why you hate, and then lay it before the feet of Christ in contrite humility and sincere repentance.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Jan001]

I suppose my problem, then, is two-fold:

1) I thought we were talking about people coming in through our southern border, predominantly those from Latin America. And, last time I checked, all of the Latin American countries are predominantly Christian, not Muslim.

2) Having a rudimentary understanding of Islam, and the diversity that exists within Islam; I find the idea that Muslims entering the country will be putting sharia into practice in the USA to be, frankly, absurd. That's post-9/11 anti-Muslim hysterics. When, in the strictest Muslim nations it is often Muslims themselves who suffer the most; and Muslims seeking life elsewhere are doing so precisely because they want to live somewhere that is religiously tolerant. Muslims, therefore, who come to the US are, therefore, quite devoted to principles of democracy and religious freedom and tolerance. In America, the thread of the US becoming an Iran or Saudi Arabia is--well--about as likely as pigs sprouting wings. The reasoning for which I say this is actually quite simple, and it goes back to my rudimentary knowledge of diversity within Islam. The religion of Islam is not a monolithic religion; not only can Islam be divided into two major branches: Sunni and Shi'a, but there are other forms out there as well; and within Sunni and Shi'a there is a multitude of traditions; the term "denomination" could be borrowed here, but that doesn't quite work. If you think, for example, than a Sunni in America would permit the country to be turned into a Shi'ite nation; or a Shi'ite would permit the country become a Sunni one, then you'd be crazy. This would be like a Catholic being completely okay with America becoming Fundamentalist Baptist, or a Fundamentalist Baptist being completely okay with America becoming Catholic. As though a Fundamentalist Baptist would ever accept, for example, if devotions and petitions toward the Virgin Mary become the law of the land; or a Catholic could ever accept belief in Transubstantiation becoming illegal and punishable. That's the sort of thing we're talking about here.

America becoming a Muslim theocratic state just ain't in the cards. It's an irrational fear that is rooted in "Muslims are the boogeyman" rhetoric that took hold after 9/11, in which it was easier to simply hate Muslims without bothering to understand the more nuanced issues of terror in extremist groups; and that failure has allowed us to homebrew our own forms of religious extremism right here in the United States. And while there is no equivalent to the Taliban here in the US, all it would take is the right set of events; because the extremism, the rhetoric, the anger--it's all there. All the ingredients have been there stirring for decades, slowly stewing. And it won't be a Muslim group that takes America hostage, burns the Constitution, and destroys a nearly 300 year experiment in modern democracy; it will instead be a group waving an American flag and singing Amazing Grace.



So whose love of their family is more important; mine or yours? Because here's the flipside: The person trying to make a better life for their family is doing just that. And, as you yourself just said, "safety is a basic need of all humans". Here's the question that I hope you ask yourself in the mirror: Why do you recognize the idea of safety as a basic need of all humans, but then not consider this when it comes to others?

When I talk about dehumanizing. This is what I mean. This isn't a problem unique to any person or any one group; the failure toward recognizing the intrinsic and basic humanity of others is, arguably, one of humanity's arch-sins. How else could Cain slay Abel, except that Abel ceased to regard his brother with fraternal affection, as a fellow son of Adam; a fellow image-bearer of the Creator.

As those who call ourselves by the name of Christ, while we are never immune to the deepest and darkest passions of our flesh, ought to at least be able to recognize the evil and wickedness of our passions.

Did not the Apostle himself say, "Do not be conformed to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind"? Shouldn't we, who stand in the midst of the world claiming to be the city on a hill, the beacon of truth, who profess to follow He who is greater than every saint, prophet, sage, and philosopher; who has no parallel, for He is the very Son of God, the Divine Word HImself, come down from heaven and made in our likeness by way of the Virgin Mary; the Messiah, the Long-Awaited One. If we call ourselves this, say this, and with every audacity say the truth is in our midst and all ought to see this light, receieve their sight, and come to the waters of Holy Baptism, if nothing else, at least, be honest, consistent, and truthful about right and wrong, and about ourselves in our own struggles?

If salt loses its flavor, what use does it have anymore?



And if you believe that, then you are spending far too much time listening idealogues and pundits, and not enough time listening to Christ, who speaks to you through His Word and in His Church.

You think that where Hell itself can't prevail that "globalist one-worlders, communits, or Muslims" will succeed? Christ our God said to St. Peter, "On this rock I will build My Church, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it". Do you have so little faith in Christ, in His Church, or in His word?

Have you been so willing to believe the lies of men that you would turn a deaf ear to Christ?



And the solution to the problem of religious intolerance is not Christian Nationalism. But, and here I do speak of policy and politics, being strongly on the side of the freedom of all people in a republic that doesn't discriminate.

Do you want your religion to dominate, or do you want democracy to flourish? You can't have both; and Christian dominionism is anti-Christ.

So if I have to choose sides, between de-humanizing immigrants and following in the way of antichrist; or confessing our mutual humanity which comes from God then it is a very simple choice I make.

-CryptoLutheran

Your comment: "Have you been so willing to believe the lies of men that you would turn a deaf ear to Christ?"

My reply: 1 Corinthians 4:3-4 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you or by any human court. I do not even judge myself. 4 I am not aware of anything against myself, but I am not thereby acquitted. It is the Lord who judges me.

Christianity will always survive somewhere, though it may be an underground church. I doubt Jesus had in mind the USA when he made his promise to Peter.

The USA is a Republic. We have laws. We have a Constitution.

How do you think USA taxpayers will be able to support all these incoming people? Are you willing to house and support a few of them in your own home? The government has no money of its own. It has to take it from its taxpayers in order to give it to those who do not pay taxes.

I do think that if the majority of people in this country come around to your way of thinking, we will continually be invaded by even more people who could not solve the problems in their own countries. We will eventually become like the countries they left. Time will tell....

 

[Adam56]

Didn't you say you supported the governing authorities and the laws of the land?

I quoted Romans 13, which says people are supposed to submit to the governing
authorities and laws of the land.

have a suspicion that you only support and believe this when it happens to be convenient; or more specifically, you find it convenient when it means punishing the people you hate, but inconvenient when it doesn't hurt those you hate.

I don’t hate anyone. Don’t throw those unfounded accusations against me. I don’t want America being invaded by criminals. Even if only a fraction of immigrants are criminals a fraction of millions is still thousands.

 

[Jan001]

Link: ‘We’re So Sick of It’: Northern Border Crisis Gets Worse​

 

[wing2000]

Immigrants, legal or other-wise, come here for a variety of reasons. Some are hard workers. The hard workers are usually honest people and so they enter legally.

I know many who entered illegally and are hard workers. But I realize that goes against your narritive that people who enter illegally are therefore bad people.

Employers sought them and still seek them because they can pay them less wages than American citizens, which undermines legal citizens' wage base. These same employers also dislike paying benefits.

Sure. So ask yourself why neither party has chosen to go after American employers?

 

[wing2000]

Link: ‘We’re So Sick of It’: Northern Border Crisis Gets Worse​

I'm sick of it too. I'm even more sick of some Republicans politicizing the issue instead of working toward soloutions.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Link: ‘We’re So Sick of It’: Northern Border Crisis Gets Worse​

Has it expanded to Canada now or does the epoch times write from a Mexican perspective?

 

[Jan001]

I know many who entered illegally and are hard workers. But I realize that goes against your narritive that people who enter illegally are therefore bad people.

I did not say that all people who enter illegally are bad people.

Sure. So ask yourself why neither party has chosen to go after American employers?

Both parties are corrupt. That is why.

 

[Jan001]

I'm sick of it too. I'm even more sick of some Republicans politicizing issue and instead of working toward soloutions.

Both political parties are corrupt.