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Is aionion necessarily coequal in duration with aionion (in Mt.25:46)?
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14. But nonetheless The Death reigned (holds royal rule) from Adam until Moses [= Law], even upon those not sinning (failing to hit the target) upon [B and other MSS: within] that which is conformed to (upon the occasion of the similarity of; in the likeness of) the stepping aside (the transgression) of Adam – who is (continues being) a type (an impress; a figure) of the One being repeatedly (always) about to [...be? come? do something?]
15. But on the contrary, [it is] not as the fall to the side (the stumbling aside; the offence) [that] thus also [is] the thing that has been graciously given (the gift of grace; the gratuitous favor). For since (if) by (in) the fall to the side (the stumbling aside; the offence) of the one THE MANY died, MUCH MORE the Grace of God (God’s Grace), and the gift (gratuitous benefit) within Grace, by that of the One Man, Jesus Christ, surrounded (encircles) into superabundance (extraordinary surplus and excess) into THE MANY.
16. And not as through one missing of the target (failing; sinning) [is] the gratuitous gift. For, on the other hand, the judgment (the evaluation and verdict) [was] from out of one [failure] into condemnation (a down-judging). But the grace (the gratuitous favor and benefit) [is] from out of many falls to the side (stumblings aside; offenses) into right-wising (justification; a placing into the Way pointed out; right relationship; an act of justice; equity; a just award).
17. For since (if) by the fall to the side (in the stumbling aside; the offense) of the one The Death reigned (reigns; rules as king) through the one, much more the ones continuously receiving and seizing upon (taking in hand) the surrounding (encircling) superabundance (extraordinary surplus and excess) of the Grace and of the gratuitous gift of the right-wising (of the fair and equitable dealing; of the placement in right relationship in the Way; of the justification) will reign (they will rule as kings) within Life through the One, Jesus Christ.
18. Consequently, then, as [it was] through one fall to the side (one offense) [coming] into all mankind (all humanity; all men) [bringing them] into condemnation (a separating and evaluating with a decision which leads down), THUS ALSO, through one rightful act in accord with the Way pointed out (through one act of justice and equity; through one act of right relationship; through one act of right-wising) [it comes] into ALL MANKIND (all humanity; all men) [bringing them] into a right-wising of life (Life’s right relating and justifying in accord with the Way pointed out; a judicial sentencing of Life; a making right which pertains to Life).
19. For JUST AS through the unwillingness to listen resulting in disobedience (or: the erroneous hearing leading to disobedience) of the one man THE MANY were rendered (established; constituted; placed down and made to be) sinners (failures; ones who miss the target), THUS ALSO through the submissive listening resulting in obedience of the One THE MANY will be rendered (placed down and established as; constituted; appointed to be) just ones (ones who have been right-wised; ones in the Way pointed out; righteous ones; ones in right relationship).
Jonathan Mitchell N.T. Translation
http://www.greater-emmanuel.org/jmt/
15. But on the contrary, [it is] not as the fall to the side (the stumbling aside; the offence) [that] thus also [is] the thing that has been graciously given (the gift of grace; the gratuitous favor). For since (if) by (in) the fall to the side (the stumbling aside; the offence) of the one THE MANY died, MUCH MORE the Grace of God (God’s Grace), and the gift (gratuitous benefit) within Grace, by that of the One Man, Jesus Christ, surrounded (encircles) into superabundance (extraordinary surplus and excess) into THE MANY.
16. And not as through one missing of the target (failing; sinning) [is] the gratuitous gift. For, on the other hand, the judgment (the evaluation and verdict) [was] from out of one [failure] into condemnation (a down-judging). But the grace (the gratuitous favor and benefit) [is] from out of many falls to the side (stumblings aside; offenses) into right-wising (justification; a placing into the Way pointed out; right relationship; an act of justice; equity; a just award).
17. For since (if) by the fall to the side (in the stumbling aside; the offense) of the one The Death reigned (reigns; rules as king) through the one, much more the ones continuously receiving and seizing upon (taking in hand) the surrounding (encircling) superabundance (extraordinary surplus and excess) of the Grace and of the gratuitous gift of the right-wising (of the fair and equitable dealing; of the placement in right relationship in the Way; of the justification) will reign (they will rule as kings) within Life through the One, Jesus Christ.
18. Consequently, then, as [it was] through one fall to the side (one offense) [coming] into all mankind (all humanity; all men) [bringing them] into condemnation (a separating and evaluating with a decision which leads down), THUS ALSO, through one rightful act in accord with the Way pointed out (through one act of justice and equity; through one act of right relationship; through one act of right-wising) [it comes] into ALL MANKIND (all humanity; all men) [bringing them] into a right-wising of life (Life’s right relating and justifying in accord with the Way pointed out; a judicial sentencing of Life; a making right which pertains to Life).
19. For JUST AS through the unwillingness to listen resulting in disobedience (or: the erroneous hearing leading to disobedience) of the one man THE MANY were rendered (established; constituted; placed down and made to be) sinners (failures; ones who miss the target), THUS ALSO through the submissive listening resulting in obedience of the One THE MANY will be rendered (placed down and established as; constituted; appointed to be) just ones (ones who have been right-wised; ones in the Way pointed out; righteous ones; ones in right relationship).
Jonathan Mitchell N.T. Translation
http://www.greater-emmanuel.org/jmt/
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Its not an equation, in Adam all die, in Christ all live, apart from Christ you go on to perdition. It's called the gospel.
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We were just responding a few days ago with a young lad who posted this>>>>>
"Youve demonstrated a complete indifference to essential doctrine, namely the Trinity and justification by grace through faith. Your expositions abandondon any and all literary features that could help you navigate the context but your fixation with 'all', is all consuming. You don't have another doctrine, no interest in the gospel, historical narrative, prophetic oracle's and divine imperative."
This is your simple question: You can answer it with or without a blindfold or one arm behind your back>>>>>>>>>>>
What did you (Mark Kennedy) personally do to be IN Adam1?
Do not parse or exegete the question!
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Why don't you tell us about the "limited" God of glory, Mark? Tell us why He has declared His will, yes will, not simply desire is "who willeth/wills ALL mankind to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth", but alas fails in the mission! Just tell us about our "limited" Unlimited God of power & glory!
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I was born, and Adam is the first parent of humanity. So what do the New Testament writers tell us we must do to be in Christ? Because I've answered that question, Paul answered that question and you and that young lad have both ignored the New Testament witness regarding how one is joined to Christ through faith in the gospel. Prophecing believer who Christ dismisses as lawless are told, depart from me, I never knew you.
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My young brother, you had ziltch to do with your birth into Adam1! The birth into the Last Adam comes in exactly the same process>>>>"You did not choose Me..."
I know you cannot see the wonderful equation of polus, but it stares you in the face!
I know you cannot see the wonderful equation of polus, but it stares you in the face!
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God's holiness, righteousness and divine attributes are neither subject to change or negotiable with regards to salvation. You must be called, believe in your heart, profess with you mouth and recieve the Holy Spirit, you must be born again. God never failed, God provides the light of revelation that you need to be the righteousness of God in Christ leaving you without excuse. Men have loved darkness more then light, they suppress the truth in unrighteousness and God will not acquit the guilty. God didn't fail, you failed to understand that part of the promise of the gospel is God will repay them.
You've chosen to ignore the gospel in all this, and to preach another gospel unknown in the New Testament witness. That's not God's fault, that one is on you are there will be a reckoning.
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I was in Adam when he sinned, you are only in Christ by faith. I know there are none so blind as those who will not see but the simplicity of the gospel has been right in front of you, I even see you guys quote it from time to time. Then you talk in circles around it, pretending you dont see, but I think you do. If tbe eye be single the whole body has light, but if thine eye be darkness, how great a darkness.
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Mark: our God declares His will! He "wills all mankind to be saved and come unto/into the knowledge of the truth." You as a good quality Calvinist should know His will prevails! Anything short of His stated Will in one single degree is a complete & total failure with a capital "F"
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There is God's permissive and there is God's perfect will. Everything nessacary was provided and refused by the children of perdition. Calvinists know God wants the sinner to repent but certain people choose to pursue lawlessness. Get a clue, God judges us, we don't get to tell him what he should and should not do.
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I will repeat: you had ziltch to do with your birth into Adam1! The birth into the Last Adam comes in exactly the same process>>>>"You did not choose Me..."
I know you cannot see the wonderful equation of polus, but it stares you in the face!
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Absolute nonsense! There is no such animal as the "permissive will" of the Almighty Unlimited God of Glory. His Will stands, and no little will of any fallen creature can prevail. His Will stands! I will add that Large Will is indeed perfect!
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God wants the sinner to repent: that is exciting news indeed. I assume you believe that the Unlimited One only "desires" all mankind to be saved. Unfortunately, Mark, "He wills all mankind to be saved." Will His will prevail? You better believe it!
1 Timothy 2:4 (YLT) who doth will all men to be saved, and to come to the full knowledge of the truth;
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Dear Mark: I suggest you take a hard look at the following>>>>>>>>>
https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/nas/thelo.html
Permissive=
https://www.audioenglish.org/dictionary/permissive.htm
https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/nas/thelo.html
Permissive=
https://www.audioenglish.org/dictionary/permissive.htm
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And he-goats I have not desired. Who then are the he-goats?
Revelation 3:17 Because you say, "I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing"—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked— New King James Version
to every one who is believing
But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation— if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.
– Colossians 1:22-23 (NIV)
for I am not ashamed of the good news of the Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation to every one who is believing, both to Jew first, and to Greek. Romans 1:16 [YLT]
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Amen!
Romans 1:16 for I am not ashamed of the good news of the Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation to every one who is believing, both to Jew first, and to Greek. [YLT]
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This is your mission should you accept it: trot over to Phil 2 and read of every knee bowing and every tongue confessing the Lordship of Jesus Christ. You will note: this worship is not "at" the Name of all names, but "IN" that lovely Name. Assuming you know what being in the Name entails, please articulate how every being in every dimension of the heavens, the earth, and the underworld are proclaiming this fact. Do you think it is by perfunctory genuflections? Perhaps the Scripture is wrong when it declares no one can declare Him Lord but by the Holy Ghost!
"Perfunctory"=
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/perfunctory?s=t
16. For I am not in the habit of being ashamed of the Good News, for it continues being (is) God’s power (ability; capacity) into deliverance (being rescued; salvation; health and wholeness) -- in everyone (for everyone; to everyone) continuously believing: for (to; in) Jew first, also for (to; in) Greek (Hellenist).
17. For in It God’s justice (righteousness; qualities and characteristics of the Way pointed out; victory of the righteous cause; way of righting wrong; righteous act) is continuously (progressively) being unveiled (revealed), from out of faith, into faith, according as it has been written,
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