My Dad: "Here you go. Your birth control pill. Proven to be 100% effective."I'd like to think it wouldn't happen, but I've seen organized pushes by these so-called "pro-life" groups to enforce abstinence-only programs as well as obstruct easy access to birth control. Many of us like to believe that "it can't happen here" but history proves otherwise when it comes to the lengths people will go to enforce their religious ideologies onto others. The U.S. is not immune.
I didn’t say anything about banning contraceptives. We could talk about who is against distributing contraceptives to teenagers, but I’d rather talk about how to get pro-lifers to put their energy and resources into sex Ed and easy access to birth control. Countries that ban abortion have HIGHER abortion rates and countries with the most access to birth control and education have negligible abortion rates. So why are pro-lifers ignoring that data?I don't expect anyone to hand out condoms. But nobody is banning contraceptives either (except for perhaps ultraconservative Catholics?). To suggest that is just plain fear mongering and a demonstration of complete ignorance of the pro-life position.
I don’t think that will happen but I totally agree as to the underlying motives. No pro-life groups that I am aware of are out there pushing for better sex education and easy access to birth control. They’re not even handing out condoms. If they were, I probably would never had gotten pregnant at 18 and had an abortion.
Citation please.Countries that ban abortion have HIGHER abortion rates and countries with the most access to birth control and education have negligible abortion rates. So why are pro-lifers ignoring that data?
I didn’t know how to get on birth control without my parents knowing and I didn’t know how to use a condom and was made to feel horribly embarrassed /ashamed about buying them anyway. My boyfriend told me pulling out works and I had never been told otherwise. If condoms were available at school, and I had been given a proper education, I am sure I would have used protection and avoided pregnancy.Please clarify. Were you aware that sex produced babies when you became pregnant at 18? I suppose it is possible you were not. I do think such basics should be covered at some point in school.
Because this "Data" that you speak of isn't true. This article from the Charlotte Lozier Institute says differently.Countries that ban abortion have HIGHER abortion rates and countries with the most access to birth control and education have negligible abortion rates. So why are pro-lifers ignoring that data?
I am understanding this to mean the pill?I didn’t know how to get on birth control without my parents knowing
and I didn’t know how to use a condom and was made to feel horribly embarrassed /ashamed about buying them anyway.
It is unfortunate that he indicated this. Looking back do you think he also did not know, or was he just pressuring you?My boyfriend told me pulling out works and I had never been told otherwise.
https://www.usnews.com/news/data-mi...1/abortion-rates-where-and-why-theyre-fallingCitation please.
I hear holding an aspirin between your knees is 100% effective at preventing pregnancy. So my father says.I didn’t know how to get on birth control without my parents knowing and I didn’t know how to use a condom and was made to feel horribly embarrassed /ashamed about buying them anyway. My boyfriend told me pulling out works and I had never been told otherwise. If condoms were available at school, and I had been given a proper education, I am sure I would have used protection and avoided pregnancy.
Sorry, there is a mountain of data that disproves the claims made by the Charlotte Lozier Institute, which grossly misrepresents the findings of the Gottmeir (sp) study, and cherry picks data to fit its narrative. Just look at which countries have the highest and lowest abortion rates -Because this "Data" that you speak of isn't true. This article from the Charlotte Lozier Institute says differently.
"Conversely, good research from Eastern Europe where many countries changed their abortion policy after the fall of communism indicate that the incidence of abortion is sensitive to its legal status. Even modest limits on abortion resulted in significant declines in abortion rates. Furthermore, there is good evidence from the United States and Great Britain (Ashton et al. 1983) that abortion rates significantly increased in both countries after abortion was legalized. Furthermore, there is an impressive body of research which demonstrates that a range of incremental, state-level pro-life laws that have been enacted since the Roe v. Wade decision have reduced the incidence of abortion in the United States."
"There are several reasons why abortion rates increase when abortion becomes legal. Physicians who are willing to perform abortions can publicly advertise. The economic costs of obtaining an abortion decrease. There is some evidence that public support for legal abortion increases once abortion becomes legal. Additionally, when abortion becomes legal, sexual mores often change, resulting in more unintended pregnancies and more abortions. Overall, the existing academic research paints a very clear picture. Legal protections for unborn children reduce abortion rates and save lives."
How the Legal Status of Abortion Impacts Abortion Rates | Charlotte Lozier Institute
“How about we treat every young man who wants to buy a gun like every woman who wants to get an abortion — mandatory 48-hour waiting period, parental permission, a note from his doctor proving he understand what he’s about to do, a video he has to watch about the effects of gun violence, and an ultrasound wand up the [posterior] (just because). Let’s close down all but one gun shop in every state and make him travel hundreds of miles, take time off work, and stay overnight in a strange town to get a gun. Make him walk through a gauntlet of people holding photos of loved ones who were shot to death, people who call him a murderer and beg him not to buy a gun.”
Sorry, it’s hard to quote on my tablet properly so bear with me..Experiences of sex ed do certainly vary in different states and even local areas, so I am trying to understand what happened.
I am understanding this to mean the pill?
So you did seem to know they existed, and their purpose, but not the details of how to use them? How did you learn about condoms and the birth control pill before this?
It is unfortunate that he indicated this. Looking back do you think he also did not know, or was he just pressuring you?
Sorry, it’s hard to quote on my tablet properly so bear with me..
1) yes, the pill.
2) yes, I knew they existed but had no education in how to use them or how effective/ important they were. I was taught that abstinence was the way to prevent pregnancy, period. It was a long time ago, LOL, but I probably learned about birth control from books I sneaked at the library (novels) and friends at school? I went to Christian schools and my parents were very conservative.
3)Hmmm, probably a bit of both. Clearly if our culture had taught him that you MUST use a condom he would have been more likely to do so. I don’t feel he took advantage of me in any way.
Thanks for askingUnderstood, and I am sorry for your experience.
I would be in favor of a law requiring "any person who causes an unlicensed female (whatever that is) to become pregnant" to pay a fine of 25% of their annual income but no less than $20,000 a year for no less than 18 years. I think that would help men to keep it in their pants.
And I think that the man who forced her into that position could be forced to castrate themselves.
Even from a scientific perspective, the baby is not part of the woman's body. It is its own body inside of the woman's body. I guess some could compare it to a parasite. You wouldn't call a leach "a part of your body" would you?
Does the man even have a right in society to say “no” I want my child born?
Now go back to the image I posted. No such laws have ever been framed. The only laws proposed have had the purpose of either forcing the woman to reproduce, or to punish her...
That's the next likely target on the list. Once abortions are legally banned everywhere, contraception will also be banned, since the goal and motive isn't truly to reduce abortions (as keeping them safe and legal happens to do just that), but to control people's (especially women's) behavior.
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