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Is a Contiguous Count of Daniel’s 70 Weeks found in New Testament Writings?

Is a Contiguous Count of Daniel’s 70 Weeks found in New Testament Writings?


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Is a contiguous count of Daniel’s weeks found in New Testament writings?

4. ST. JOHN RECORDED the PRECISE DATE of the FIRST DAY of the SEVENTIETH WEEK.

The actual start-point of the 70th week was the 1st Nisan AD 27. Does the New Testament identify it? Yes, it does! We are able to track the fourteen days between the beginning of the month to the start of Passover as recorded in the gospel of John. Here are the events leading up to, and signifying the switch-point between the weeks.

“The Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask John, “Who are you?” He confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, “I am not the Christ” ... John answered them, “I baptize with water, but among you stands one you do not know, even he who comes after me, the strap of whose sandal I am not worthy to untie ...”

This encounter took place on the last day of the 69th week, 29th Adar AD 27, as we shall see shortly. Please continue:

“The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! This is he of whom I said, ‘After me comes a man who ranks before me, because he was before me.’ I myself did not know him, but for this purpose I came baptizing with water, that he might be revealed to Israel.”

As seen before, the reference to “taking away sin” is directly from Daniel’s prophecy, so it becomes very appropriate if it was declared over Jesus on the first day of the 70th week. Let us follow several more days to see if such was the case?

The next day Andrew, Peter and one other (probably the writer) were chosen to be disciples. I believe it was Saturday, 2nd of Nisan because the wedding of Cana, a few days later, was a Monday evening. By Sunday, 3rd of Nisan, Philip and Nathaniel had also been chosen, then came Monday, 4th of Nisan. Please bear in mind that Hebrew days began at sunset, so, strictly speaking, the 4th of Nisan was Sunday/Monday, and the 5th was Monday/Tuesday. In other words, Monday evening started the 5th day of the Hebrew month and it also started the third day of the regular week. Now, notice carefully. John tells us:

On the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there. Jesus also was invited to the wedding with his disciples.”

So, the wedding of Cana is recorded as “the third day”, that is to say, Monday night. Assuming the year was AD 27, all that remains to do is to examine the lunar phases of that month and when we do, we find that the 5th of Nisan did indeed start on a Monday evening. Moreover, it was the only Monday that could have fitted a wedding before Passover, because later festivities would have conflicted with the Passover Seder.

Thus, by identifying the date of the wedding of Cana, we are able to track backwards to the 1st of Nisan and confirm the declaration of John the Baptist, “Behold, the Lamb”, as the defining event which marked the first day of the 70th week!
One other thing I would point out is that Jesus was baptized and anointed in the 69th week.

Mark 1:12 says Jesus was immediately driven into the wilderness after being baptized.

In John 1 Jesus is declared to be the Lamb of God, this had to take place after he was in the wilderness for 40 days because He goes to the wedding on the third day.

Not that this makes any difference about the 70 weeks being contiguous or not but some people do insist that Jesus was baptized in the 70th week and also that his baptism was the day he started his ministry.
 
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In John 1 Jesus is declared to be the Lamb of God, this had to take place after he was in the wilderness for 40 days
Thanks. Yes, and probably waited after the 40 days while breaking his fast. I estimate he was baptised late AD 26. He would’ve come back by the same route that he left to go into the wilderness. When John saw him again, he made the announcement in the Spring.
 
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please read carefully. Someone, i.e. sovereingrace, in this thread claimed that John the Baptist's actions of introducing the Messiah "instigated" the 70th week of Daniel.
I've already read carefully. You don't need to tell me that. I'm already aware of this. Tell me why it's impossible for that to be the start of the 70th week.

sovereigngrace in his post #17 wrote....

"John the Baptist was the person tasked with introducing the Messiah. This was predicted in the Old Testament and fully realized in the acknowledgement and baptism of Christ. This instigated the 70th week of Daniel."

So when you wrote "No one was claiming that John the Baptist himself instigated the 70th week" you missed what sovereigngrace had wrote in his post #17.
I didn't miss what he wrote. I was going by what you said. So, nevermind all that and just tell me why it's impossible for what he said to be true. You can't just claim that without saying why.

What will begin the 7 year 70th week will be the Antichrist's actions to confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant for the 7 year cycle as required by Moses in Deuteronomy 31:9-13 of all future leaders of Israel.

The Antichrist's actions to do so, will be to have read the law to the nation of Israel from the temple mount... with him present in a big televised event.

I have discussed the reading of the law requirement with Jews (Judaism) and they say "yes" and from the temple mount.

If you would take time and read Deuteronomy 31:9-13, the law is to be read to the nation of Israel from the place of God's choosing. The Jews informed me the place of God's choosing is the temple mount.

Futhermore, if you learn about the function of the messiah, the Christ, it is to be the King of Israel. To become the "Anti-christ", the little horn person will be anointed the King of Israel.

Text showing the function of the messiah to be the King of Israel...

John1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.


John 12:12 On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,

13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.



Mark 15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.
Is this all you have to explain why John the Baptist introducing the Messiah couldn't be the start of the 70th week? And you think this argument is convincing? It certainly isn't to me. I don't buy any of this stuff about a supposed future Antichrist. Daniel 9:24-27 is all about Jesus Christ.
 
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CG, where in your interpretation of the 70th week is the vision that Gabriel in Daniel 9:23 referred to?

You are missing why it was Gabriel sent to Daniel. You are missing why Gabriel is referred to as the "man" Gabriel. And you are missing what the vision in v23 is about.
No, you are missing it as you've been told many times. The "vision" of verse 23 is the insight/prophecy that Gabriel gave in verses 24-27. Until you realize that you are going to continue to be way off base about the 70 week prophecy. You can't even give any reasonable explanation of the fulfillment of Daniel 9:24 and you expect to be taken seriously with your understanding of the rest of the passage?
 
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I didn't miss what he wrote. I was going by what you said. So, nevermind all that and just tell me why it's impossible for what he said to be true. You can't just claim that without saying why.
I did say why in a previous post.

"In Daniel 9:26a, the messiah is cutoff before the 70th week begins in Daniel 9:27. John the baptist preceded the messiah and him being cutoff in Daniel 9:26a. So it is impossible that John the baptist instigated the 70th week of Daniel 9."

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John the baptist baptizes Jesus, in the Jordan river.

Then years afterward, Jesus is cutoff in Jerusalem in Daniel 9:26a.

Then after Jesus is cutoff in Daniel 9:26a, is the 70week beginning in Daniel 9:27.
 
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I did say why in a previous post.

"In Daniel 9:26a, the messiah is cutoff before the 70th week begins in Daniel 9:27. John the baptist preceded the messiah and him being cutoff in Daniel 9:26a. So it is impossible that John the baptist instigated the 70th week of Daniel 9."

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John the baptist baptizes Jesus, in the Jordan river.

Then years afterward, Jesus is cutoff in Jerusalem in Daniel 9:26a.

Then after Jesus is cutoff in Daniel 9:26a, is the 70week beginning in Daniel 9:27.
I can't make any sense out of what you're saying here. I usually can understand what you're saying even though I almost always disagree with you, but not this time. This time I can't even figure out what you're trying to say.

On what basis are you saying that "the messiah is cutoff before the 70th week begins"? It says he is cut off after the 69th week ends, so why can't He be cut off during the 70th week? His baptism starts the 70th week and then he is cut off in the middle of the 70th week. I don't see how you're concluding that this is not a possible scenario.
 
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On what basis are you saying that "the messiah is cutoff before the 70th week begins"? It says he is cut off after the 69th week ends, so why can't He be cut off during the 70th week?
Because there is a gap of time, an interruption to the 70 weeks, from when the (true) messiah arrived in Jerusalem - (*interruption) - to the end times 70th week reserved for the vision about the little horn person (false messiah) to take place.

The coming little horn person, perceived by the Jews as the messiah, but is a false messiah, will have the law read from the temple mount, with him present in a big televised event. That is what actually starts the 70th week.

Having the law read to the nation of Israel, is a requirement Moses made as way of confirming the Mt. Sinai covenant on a 7 year cycle. Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

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* during the first 4 days into the interruption, the religious leaders turn the people against Jesus and he is crucified.





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Because there is a gap of time, an interruption to the 70 weeks, from when the (true) messiah arrived in Jerusalem - (*interruption) - to the end times 70th week reserved for the vision about the little horn person (false messiah) to take place.

The coming little horn person, perceived by the Jews as the messiah, but is a false messiah, will have the law read from the temple mount, with him present in a big televised event. That is what actually starts the 70th week.

Having the law read to the nation of Israel, is a requirement Moses made as way of confirming the Mt. Sinai covenant on a 7 year cycle. Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

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* during the first 4 days into the interruption, the religious leaders turn the people against Jesus and he is crucified.





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You would think, if a rebuilt temple is relevant to the fulfilling of Daniel 9:27, one would have already been built by now or at least someone should have already started the building process by now. So what's the holdup then? So until I see a temple rebuilt and animal sacrificing resuming in it, I'm going to continue to assume your interpretation of that verse is incorrect in the meantime.
 
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You would think, if a rebuilt temple is relevant to the fulfilling of Daniel 9:27, one would have already been built by now or at least someone should have already started the building process by now. So what's the holdup then? So until I see a temple rebuilt and animal sacrificing resuming in it, I'm going to continue to assume your interpretation of that verse is incorrect in the meantime.
The Jews believe that the messiah will have a hand in building the next temple.

The temple complex that John was told to measure in Revelation 11:1 will be downsized, patterned on the tent tabernacle complex in the Exodus... to get the animal sacrifices going again as quickly as possible.

The Antichrist will have a part in rebuilding that temple complex, on it being an interim, and having no outer court wall. The temple complex will not take up but a portion of the temple mount. Should not take long at all because the sanctuary building will only have to be 15ft by 30ft.

There will have to be a brazen altar. And some tables for the temple priest to prepare the animals they will have sacrificed by cutting their jugular.

In the open area on the temple mount, called the outer court in Revelation 11:2, is where the abomination of desolation statue image of the beast will be placed - visible for everyone to see, and the signal for the Jews to flee to the mountains.
 
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We do indeed have NT confirmation of the beginning of Daniel's 70th week having taken place immediately following the 69th. Christ Himself told the Jews when the beginning of that 70th week had started. This was in Mark 1:14-15, after John had been put in prison (in AD 30). "Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, THE TIME IS FULFILLED, and the kingdom of God is at hand:" (meaning "presently here") "repent ye and believe the gospel." It was at this time when Christ began selecting His 12 disciples to follow Him.

That particular "THE TIME" or the specific established season (ho kairos) that Christ announced had been fulfilled was the ending of the 69th week, and the beginning of the 70th week that had just been launched. This 70th week began not at Christ's baptism, but at the beginning of His public ministry of miracles, of which the first miracle was at Cana with the water turned into wine (John 2:11). This first miracle at Cana "manifested forth His glory; and His disciples believed on Him" because of this. After this first miracle, Christ went to Capernaum for a period of "not many days", where He immediately performed His next miracle in the synagogue of casting out the unclean spirit of the man in Mark 1:23, followed immediately by healing Simon's mother and many others of the city, and casting out many devils that same day.

This sudden burst of miracles performed by Christ in Capernaum and Galilee (which was at the beginning of Daniel's 70th week) had been prophesied long before in Isaiah 9:1-2. As Matthew 4:13-17 wrote, "And leaving Nazareth, He came and dwelt in Capernaum, which is upon the sea coast in the borders of Zabulon and Nephthalim: That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, 'The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles; the people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.' From that time, Jesus began to preach, and to say 'Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.' "

Isaiah's prophesied "light springing up" was to be fulfilled by a sudden, immediate burst of significant miracles happening in that very specific region of Galilee of the Gentiles. This surge of miracles performed by Christ was set against the prior backdrop of John's ministry, which had been characterized by John doing NO miracles toward the end of that 69th week as John "fulfilled his course" (Acts 13:25). "The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it." This Luke 16:16 verse shows a clear line of demarcation between John and Christ. In other words, a line of division between the end of the 69th week when John had "fulfilled his course" and the beginning of the 70th week when Christ said "The time is fulfilled...".

Christ gave testimony to His own record of miracles performed as proof of His divinity to the unbelieving Jews in John 10:38. The many Jews who resorted unto Christ and who did believe in Him said, "John did no miracle: but all things that John spake of this man were true. And many believed on Him there." (John 10:41). This was Christ the Lord, the "messenger of the covenant", who was "confirming the covenant with many" of Daniel's people during that 70th week, who did believe on Him because of the miracles He performed in those days.
 
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@Christian Gedge

Moses had been called by God to deliver Israel out of the house of bondage in Egypt and into the promised land (Exodus 13:3), but after being delivered from bondage in Egypt, Israel wandered in the wilderness for 40 years due to unbelief (Hebrews 3:12-19).

Two men named Dathan and Abiram rose up in opposition against Moses with respect to:

(A) His message; and
(B) His authority over the people.

Numbers 16:12-14
"And Moses sent to call Dathan and Abiram, the sons of Eliab.
And they said, We will not come up. Is it a small thing that you have brought us up out of a land that flows with milk and honey, to kill us in the wilderness, but must you also seize dominion over us?
Besides, you have not brought us into a land that flows with milk and honey, nor given us inheritance in fields and vineyards. Will you put out the eyes of these men? We will not come up."

Moses' message from the beginning had been that God would deliver "the woman" out of the house of bondage in Egypt and into the promised land, but Dathan and Abiram did not believe, and opposed Moses.

THE EARTH SWALLOWED THEM UP

Numbers 16
32 And the earth opened her mouth and swallowed them up, and their households, and all the men who were for Korah, and all their goods.

As far as I know the above is the only possible biblical type for this:

Revelation 12
15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water like a flood after the woman, so that he might cause her to be carried away by the river.
16 And the earth helped the woman. And the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the river which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

The 1,260 days or "time, times and a half a time" that the woman was "in the wilderness" after her Child had been caught up to God and to His throne (Revelation ch.12), is metaphorically referencing both the final 3.5 years in Daniel's 70th "week" and the 40 years in-between the ascension of the Messiah and the year that the temple was destroyed?

The apostles announced to the Jews that the New Covenant had come for the rest of that "week", and the gospel was preached for the rest of the 40 years in-between the ascension of Christ and the destruction of the temple in A.D 70.

The final crushing of the Jewish opposition in 70 A.D is metaphorically referred to as the earth swallowing up the flood?

"And the earth helped the woman. And the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the river which the dragon cast out of his mouth." (Revelation 12:16).

The very next verse tells us of the dragon then turning his attention to "the rest of the woman's seed, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ".

@Christian Gedge I placed a question mark behind two statements because I notice the possibility but I'm not turning it into a doctrine.
 
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There are quite a few adopting middle positions. 'Hope for you yet. ;)

I held to the "gap in the middle of the 70th Week" theory too. I eventually had to give it up because a non-contiguous series of weeks with any gap at all does not appear to be rational enough. I discovered that the Church Fathers felt the same way, and saw the entire prophecy as fulfilled in the death of Christ and in the fall of Jerusalem following. And that's precisely how I now interpret the Olivet Discourse, as a focus more on Jesus' earthly ministry with the 2nd Coming being more in the backdrop.
 
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The 1,260 days or "time, times and a half a time" that the woman was "in the wilderness" after her Child had been caught up to God and to His throne (Revelation ch.12), is metaphorically referencing both the final 3.5 years in Daniel's 70th "week" and the 40 years in-between the ascension of the Messiah and the year that the temple was destroyed?

I placed a question mark behind two statements because I notice the possibility but I'm not turning it into a doctrine.

Only the brave try to interpret Revelation 12. :sunglasses: I haven't seen anyone connecting the swallowing of Dathan and Abiram with that of Satan's river? As for the 1260 days in Rev 12, I think it harks back to Daniel 7 rather than Daniel 9. But I'm not turning it into a doctrine either.
 
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Only the brave try to interpret Revelation 12. :sunglasses: I haven't seen anyone connecting the swallowing of Dathan and Abiram with that of Satan's river? As for the 1260 days in Rev 12, I think it harks back to Daniel 7 rather than Daniel 9. But I'm not turning it into a doctrine either.
How can you not connect the 1260 days in Revelation 12 to the 1260 days of the two witnesses in Revelation 11, the previous chapter ?
 
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Only the brave try to interpret Revelation 12. :sunglasses:

Revelation 12 is no more complicated than understanding Christ's ascension to His Father's throne, and the persecution of the early church as detailed in the book of Acts, starting on the very day of Stephen's martyrdom.

This persecution was instigated by a newly-released Satan against the early church, which an "exceedingly mad" Saul / Paul led against the believers by the authorization of the high priesthood; a "flood" of persecution which was temporarily "swallowed up" by Paul's Damascus Road conversion. Paul's conversion infuriated the Dragon, since he had been the means by which many believers were imprisoned, put to death, and compelled to blaspheme, being persecuted even unto strange cities.
 
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I've read a lot of Josephus' accounts of history, and it's never surprised me that Josephus, who wasn't a Christian, and the pious non-believing Jews of his day saw the building that stood in Jerusalem that for 40 years had no more been the holy temple of God, as the holy temple of God, and therefore viewed the abominable things that were taking place in it (as it came closer to the year A.D 70 when that building was finally completely destroyed), as the reason God gave it over to be destroyed.

Not once did you mention that the men you are talking about thought that the people's rejection of Christ and His blood shed as the once-for-all sacrifice of sin, and the continued daily offerings for sin in rejection of Christ, was the reason God gave the temple over to be destroyed. Why? Because that's a Christian understanding of it, not an unbelieving Jewish understanding of it.

From Josephus: THE HEAVY BRASS EASTERN GATE LEADING INTO THE HOLY COURT OF THE TEMPLE OPENS OF ITS OWN ACCORD

QUOTE (from Josephus)
Moreover, the eastern gate of the inner [court of the] temple, which was of brass, and vastly heavy, and had been with difficulty shut by twenty men, and rested upon a basis armed with iron, and had bolts fastened very deep into the firm floor, which was there made of one entire stone, was seen to be opened of its own accord about the sixth hour of the night. Now those that kept watch in the temple came hereupon running to the captain of the temple, and told him of it; who then came up thither, and not without great difficulty was able to shut the gate again.

This also appeared to the vulgar* to be a very happy prodigy, as if God did thereby open them the gate of happiness.

But the men of learning* understood it, that the security of their holy house was dissolved of its own accord, and that the gate was opened for the advantage of their enemies. So these publicly declared that the signal foreshowed the desolation that was coming upon them.
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* 1. The word vulgar did not carry the same connotations and meaning in the past that it does today. In the past it simply referred to all those who were uneducated, i.e the opposite of the men of learning.

Most of the followers of Jesus were uneducated, and would have been considered part of the "vulgar masses" by "learned" Jews and Romans alike.

So if this report recorded in Josephus' history is true, it would mean that the “vulgar” Christians (considered part of the "vulgar masses") would quite likely have understood that the gates into the holy court in the temple opening all by themselves, was symbolizing the following:

Hebrews 9:11-16
“But when Christ had become a high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building,

nor by the blood of goats and calves, but by His own blood He entered once for all into the Holy of Holies, having obtained eternal redemption for us. Therefore let us come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.”

In A.D 70 the Jewish "men of learning", on the other hand, would have "understood" that it was a signal that foreshadowed the desolation that was coming upon them.

The way Josephus, the Pharisees, the priests and the Jewish "men of learning" understood things is not as Christians we understand them. Those other abominable things that you mentioned and that Josephus mentioned meant nothing in a religious sense because the house was no longer God's house, and it had no longer been God's house since the death and resurrection of Christ. Since the death and resurrection of Christ, God does not dwell in temples made with (human) hands.

But from God's perspective the daily sacrifices for sin being made on the part of the very people who had approved of Christ's crucifixion and were being done in rejection of Christ, were abominations.

Personally, I'm one of the "vulgar" masses who knows that it is not those other abominable things that were taking place in the temple that caused that house to be destroyed - it was the abominations of their sacrifices for sin that caused it.

.. and I remain one of the "vulgar" masses regardless of all the learning of all the learned ones put together, because my Teacher is Christ and my teachers are His "vulgar" apostles and the "vulgar" Pastors and Ministers of today (those who do not teach false doctrines) - those whom the learned Jews considered vulgar and whose beliefs they considered of naught.

@Ed Parenteau I'm adding this here: I don't think any one of us Christians (including myself) fully understands the enormity of the cost to God and to Christ when our sin and the sin of the whole world was laid on Christ, although some of us seem to understand a little more than others.

The enormity of it gave Jesus so much dread that he sweat drops of blood petitioning the Father if at all possible to let that cup pass from Him, but nevertheless giving Himself to the will of the Father.

If we begin to understand the eternal immeasurable value of the blood of Christ then we can understand the degree of the abomination of continued sacrifices for sin.

It causes all those other abominations that took place in their house which you mentioned in your post, no matter how vulgar (in our modern understanding of the word) and detestable those abominations were, to completely and utterly pale in significance when compared with the abominations in the form of continued sacrifices and offerings for sin on the part of those who rejected Christ and His blood shed as the once-for-all sacrifice for sin on the part of the very descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who had handed Jesus over to be crucified.

And the fact was, though their house (called "your house" not "God's house" when Jesus told them it was going to be left to them desolate in Matthew 23:38) no longer was the house of God, yet that was the very place where their abominations in the form of the continued sacrifices and offerings for sin was taking place, and this is why God handed that very place over to the Romans to be utterly destroyed by them.

Were the Temple Institute of the Jews of today to succeed in building such a "house" again, and sacrifices and offerings for sin recommence, they will may bring upon themselves a swift and even worse destruction than the previous one - and that without any of those other abominable things being done again. Maybe not. Maybe Christ will return and personally tell them that they have inherited a lie from their forefathers about Him, and they will repent. I don't know what God has chosen to do about every coming action of man, and I don't know what every coming action of man will be.

.. and that is my "vulgar" (uneducated) Christian belief.
OK, what do you think the abomination of desolation was or will be? Keep in mind though that Jesus was talking to the disciples and referring to the temple they were looking at when He said in Matthew 24 " 15So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’ described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand), 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.…
Or maybe I'm just not understanding what you're trying to say in the first place.
 
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Is a contiguous count of Daniel’s weeks found in New Testament writings?

4. ST. JOHN RECORDED the PRECISE DATE of the FIRST DAY of the SEVENTIETH WEEK.

The actual start-point of the 70th week was the 1st Nisan AD 27. Does the New Testament identify it? Yes, it does! We are able to track the fourteen days between the beginning of the month to the start of Passover as recorded in the gospel of John. Here are the events leading up to, and signifying the switch-point between the weeks.

“The Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask John, “Who are you?” He confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, “I am not the Christ” ... John answered them, “I baptize with water, but among you stands one you do not know, even he who comes after me, the strap of whose sandal I am not worthy to untie ...”

This encounter took place on the last day of the 69th week, 29th Adar AD 27, as we shall see shortly. Please continue:

“The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! This is he of whom I said, ‘After me comes a man who ranks before me, because he was before me.’ I myself did not know him, but for this purpose I came baptizing with water, that he might be revealed to Israel.”

As seen before, the reference to “taking away sin” is directly from Daniel’s prophecy, so it becomes very appropriate if it was declared over Jesus on the first day of the 70th week. Let us follow several more days to see if such was the case?

The next day Andrew, Peter and one other (probably the writer) were chosen to be disciples. I believe it was Saturday, 2nd of Nisan because the wedding of Cana, a few days later, was a Monday evening. By Sunday, 3rd of Nisan, Philip and Nathaniel had also been chosen, then came Monday, 4th of Nisan. Please bear in mind that Hebrew days began at sunset, so, strictly speaking, the 4th of Nisan was Sunday/Monday, and the 5th was Monday/Tuesday. In other words, Monday evening started the 5th day of the Hebrew month and it also started the third day of the regular week. Now, notice carefully. John tells us:

On the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there. Jesus also was invited to the wedding with his disciples.”

So, the wedding of Cana is recorded as “the third day”, that is to say, Monday night. Assuming the year was AD 27, all that remains to do is to examine the lunar phases of that month and when we do, we find that the 5th of Nisan did indeed start on a Monday evening. Moreover, it was the only Monday that could have fitted a wedding before Passover, because later festivities would have conflicted with the Passover Seder.

Thus, by identifying the date of the wedding of Cana, we are able to track backwards to the 1st of Nisan and confirm the declaration of John the Baptist, “Behold, the Lamb”, as the defining event which marked the first day of the 70th week!
So you only give a 3 year ministry? Where do you place the other 4 years?
 
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Revelation 12 is no more complicated than understanding Christ's ascension to His Father's throne, and the persecution of the early church as detailed in the book of Acts, starting on the very day of Stephen's martyrdom.

This persecution was instigated by a newly-released Satan against the early church, which an "exceedingly mad" Saul / Paul led against the believers by the authorization of the high priesthood; a "flood" of persecution which was temporarily "swallowed up" by Paul's Damascus Road conversion. Paul's conversion infuriated the Dragon, since he had been the means by which many believers were imprisoned, put to death, and compelled to blaspheme, being persecuted even unto strange cities.
You have the flood before 70AD?

"shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."
 
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We do indeed have NT confirmation of the beginning of Daniel's 70th week having taken place immediately following the 69th. Christ Himself told the Jews when the beginning of that 70th week had started. This was in Mark 1:14-15, after John had been put in prison (in AD 30). "Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, THE TIME IS FULFILLED, and the kingdom of God is at hand:" (meaning "presently here") "repent ye and believe the gospel." It was at this time when Christ began selecting His 12 disciples to follow Him.

That particular "THE TIME" or the specific established season (ho kairos) that Christ announced had been fulfilled was the ending of the 69th week, and the beginning of the 70th week that had just been launched. This 70th week began not at Christ's baptism, but at the beginning of His public ministry of miracles, of which the first miracle was at Cana with the water turned into wine (John 2:11). This first miracle at Cana "manifested forth His glory; and His disciples believed on Him" because of this. After this first miracle, Christ went to Capernaum for a period of "not many days", where He immediately performed His next miracle in the synagogue of casting out the unclean spirit of the man in Mark 1:23, followed immediately by healing Simon's mother and many others of the city, and casting out many devils that same day.

This sudden burst of miracles performed by Christ in Capernaum and Galilee (which was at the beginning of Daniel's 70th week) had been prophesied long before in Isaiah 9:1-2. As Matthew 4:13-17 wrote, "And leaving Nazareth, He came and dwelt in Capernaum, which is upon the sea coast in the borders of Zabulon and Nephthalim: That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, 'The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles; the people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.' From that time, Jesus began to preach, and to say 'Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.' "

Isaiah's prophesied "light springing up" was to be fulfilled by a sudden, immediate burst of significant miracles happening in that very specific region of Galilee of the Gentiles. This surge of miracles performed by Christ was set against the prior backdrop of John's ministry, which had been characterized by John doing NO miracles toward the end of that 69th week as John "fulfilled his course" (Acts 13:25). "The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it." This Luke 16:16 verse shows a clear line of demarcation between John and Christ. In other words, a line of division between the end of the 69th week when John had "fulfilled his course" and the beginning of the 70th week when Christ said "The time is fulfilled...".

Christ gave testimony to His own record of miracles performed as proof of His divinity to the unbelieving Jews in John 10:38. The many Jews who resorted unto Christ and who did believe in Him said, "John did no miracle: but all things that John spake of this man were true. And many believed on Him there." (John 10:41). This was Christ the Lord, the "messenger of the covenant", who was "confirming the covenant with many" of Daniel's people during that 70th week, who did believe on Him because of the miracles He performed in those days.
I noticed that you have John the Baptist being put in prison in AD30 and the cross at AD33. In Luke 3:1-3 it mentions in the 15th year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar the word of God came to John the Baptist.

I personally see multiple similarities between John the Baptist and the 2 witnesses. Do you think it’s possible that John the Baptist preached for a literal 1,260 days before being put in prison?
 
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So you only give a 3 year ministry? Where do you place the other 4 years?
AD30 to AD34 - the ministry of the apostles to Judea and Samaria as Jesus commanded. Then the gospel was sent to the Gentiles. The 70 weeks determined for Israel was over.
 
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