Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.
Romans 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
It’s clear the antithesis to faith is unbelief, which is how the terms relate. Even so, belief and faith are attributes that develop as God conforms us to the image of the Son. Romans 8:29. If the attributes were the reason God chose us then we would merit salvation and that is unscriptural.
They were broken off because of unbelief, and they are grafted in because of belief.
Romans 11
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
As the plethora of Scriptures corroborate.
Why not? Should any of Adam's dead flesh go to heaven, or all remain dead flesh? Do you get to decide who goes or who does not go? Not my decision.Should we say that Judas will be in heaven?
1 Peter 2: 6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. 7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, 8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed. (my emphasis)
Why not? Should any of Adam's dead flesh go to heaven, or all remain dead flesh? Do you get to decide who goes or who does not go? Not my decision.
Why do so called Christians defy Christ by holding the unscriptural notion that heaven is our inheritance?
Matthew 16: 27For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. 28Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Jesus disagrees that it is not my decision to make?John 17:12
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
Jesus disagrees with you.
Isn't it interesting how you are completely unable to support your premillennial theory with New Testament scripture? Doesn't the New Testament shine light on the Old Testament? I believe so. And, yet, we can't find premillennialism taught anywhere in the New Testament except for a literal interpretation of Revelation 20 along with the assumption that what is described there follows what is described in Revelation 19 chronologically. But, you can't find any New Testament support for that theory anywhere else. Certainly not in Matthew 13:40-43. Certainly not in John 5:28-29. Certainly not in 2 Peter 3:3-13. And on and on it goes.All of your citations are addressed by the OT. As to the burning of the weeds, Isaiah 24 addresses this.
Isaiah 24:
1 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.
2 And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his master; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him.
3 The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken this word.
4 The earth mourneth and fadeth away, the world languisheth and fadeth away, the haughty people of the earth do languish.
5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.
6 Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left. (emphasis mine)
In the conflagration at Christ's return, there are men left who survive the fire, which is also affirmed by Zechariah.
Zechariah 14:
1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle…
9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one…
6 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Isaiah also writes about this time.
Isaiah 2:
2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
So what I said has a basis and affirms premillennialism, while amillennialism truly has no basis when all scripture is considered.
You completely misunderstood my point. I mean completely. 100%. What I was saying is simply that God is not confined in the realm of time. You seem to agree with that. And I'm saying that is what 2 Peter 3:8 is saying in a not straightforward way. And so is Psalm 90:4. I'm not getting why you think Psalm 90:4 is saying anything different than 2 Peter 3:8. Since God is not confined within the realm of time at all then one 24 hour day and one thousand years make no difference to Him at all. Do you disagree with that? That is what I believe both Psalm 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8 are saying.Maybe you might reason 2 Peter 3:8 in that manner and see it making sense to you, but how do you reason it in that same manner in Psalms 90:4 and see it still making sense to you?
Psalms 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
What does the text plainly tell us? It tells us that when something is past, they are then in God's sight but as yesterday. What does the text tell us that when it is past, they are then in God's sight but as yesterday?
A thousand years. This undeniably means that a thousand years involve a finite amount of time, and that to God this thousand years involves the same amount of time every time it has come and gone, thus is past. If a literal thousand years are not meant, this should mean you can tell us how many years are meant here, and that you can use the Bible to show and prove this.
After all, in order for something to be considered past at some point, it literally requires that it involves literal measurable time, because how can time that does not remain consistent, such as, to God it sometimes means a million years, other times it means to Him a billion years, because God is outside of time, thus not confined to time like we are? But even so, that He is not confined to time like we are, a thousand years has to involve the same amount of time every time in order for it to come and go each time, thus is past.
Then we have to factor in that God created time and that time is based upon 24 hour cycles, and that before God created time there was no such concept as time.
The NT has one less chapter that teaches Amil, than the chapter that teaches Pre-mil.Isn't it interesting how you are completely unable to support your premillennial theory with New Testament scripture? Doesn't the New Testament shine light on the Old Testament? I believe so. And, yet, we can't find premillennialism taught anywhere in the New Testament except for a literal interpretation of Revelation 20 along with the assumption that what is described there follows what is described in Revelation 19 chronologically. But, you can't find any New Testament support for that theory anywhere else. Certainly not in Matthew 13:40-43. Certainly not in John 5:28-29. Certainly not in 2 Peter 3:3-13. And on and on it goes.
There is no indication whatsoever that either chapter are specifying 24 hours. Especially in some translations of the Bible. That concept is a totally made up human interpretation.If you say that one thousand years to us is exactly the same as one 24 hour day is to Him then that would confine Him within the realm of time, which is impossible since He created time.
1 Peter 2: 6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. 7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, 8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed. (my emphases)
Isn't it interesting how you are completely unable to support your premillennial theory with New Testament scripture? Doesn't the New Testament shine light on the Old Testament? I believe so. And, yet, we can't find premillennialism taught anywhere in the New Testament except for a literal interpretation of Revelation 20 along with the assumption that what is described there follows what is described in Revelation 19 chronologically. But, you can't find any New Testament support for that theory anywhere else. Certainly not in Matthew 13:40-43. Certainly not in John 5:28-29. Certainly not in 2 Peter 3:3-13. And on and on it goes.
Really?
Matthew 5:
3“Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
10“Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
10“Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
12Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in this same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
Matthew 6:19“Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in or steal; 21for where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
2 Corinthians 4:16Therefore we do not lose heart. Though our outer self is wasting away, yet our inner self is being renewed day by day. 17For our light and momentary affliction is producing for us an eternal weight of glory that is far beyond comparison. 18So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.
2 Corinthians 5:1For we know that if the tent that is our earthly home is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2For in this tent we gro
an, longing to put on our heavenly dwelling,
Matthew 16: 27For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. 28Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? Romans 9:21 (No emphasis needed)
Who in Scripture believed, and was made unto dishonor because he believed?
I do believe I already answered. My point is that belief is an attribute that is developed as God conforms us to the image of the Son. Romans 8:29. If the attribute were the reason God chose us then we would merit salvation and that is unscriptural. Want to get off the merry-go-round?
Awaiting an example.
Who in Scripture believed, and was made unto dishonor because he believed?
Thank you for your admission of Scriptural vacuity.
Acts 16
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.
When the Philippian jailer implored Paul and Silas, "what must I do to be saved",
what was the first word out of their mouths?
Believe.
They didn't instruct him to wait for "an attitude that is developed".
They didn't mention a "merry-go-round".
They admonished him to believe.
The jailer and his house believed.
And were saved then and there.
As is every human being who has believed, does believe, and will believe.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?