Is a Biblical Creationism discussion group on Facebook suppressing new ideas?

[Bob8102]

Hi, I posted here before about the possibility of an extinct ecosystem existing on Venus. I was allowed to post and people were allowed to respond. I also posted about Venus on the Facebook discussion group, "Biblical Creationism." Again, I was allowed to post and people were allowed to respond. Just now, a couple of months later, I tried to continue the discussion about Venus. My post was deleted. I'm not sure if they understood I was the same guy who started the previous Venus discussion. I sent a protest post asking, "Am I not allowed to post about the possibility of life on other worlds? Must we assume God created life nowhere else but the earth?" I will see what the response is. In the meantime, I would be glad to post in any forum admitting discussion about the possibility of the God of the Bible having created life on other worlds.

 

[Aaron112]

I would be glad to post in any forum admitting discussion about the possibility of the God of the Bible having created life on other worlds.

That would be a forum discussion on a forum on one of those other worlds. (haha make-believe?)

For those knowing God here on earth, we know because we know Him that there is no life on any other world.

 

[d taylor]

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Science has really distorted the minds of christians concerning areas of God's creation.

 

[Bob8102]

I have just checked and it looks like they deleted my post again. Is anyone willing to consider and discuss the possibility of extraterrestrial life from a biblical creationism POV?

 

[David Lamb]

I have just checked and it looks like they deleted my post again. Is anyone willing to consider and discuss the possibility of extraterrestrial life from a biblical creationism POV?

I think that as the bible doesn't even mention life on other planets, discussing the possibility of extraterrestrial life from a biblical creationism POV might run into an insurmountable problem.

 

[stevevw]

I have just checked and it looks like they deleted my post again. Is anyone willing to consider and discuss the possibility of extraterrestrial life from a biblical creationism POV?

Yeah. I don't think its possible for the simple fact that Christ died once and for all and it was on planet earth.

If there are other humanlike alien life forms with a soul then they will have fallen as well with Adams fall. Which also only happened on earth. So they will need salvation.

But how can they get salvation when they are far away on another planet that would not have even heard of Christ. I don't think they could know CHrist like we know Him from another planet. Salvation works for us because Christ became one of us and this is an important link in Christ as fully man and fully God in one.

If there are aliens then they will have to be some weird form of advanced intelligent animals without a soul to be saved like animals on our planet. But much more advanced. We see animals with intelligence like bats and radar sensing, or chimps. A really advanced chimp perhaps. But I don't think so because to have that level of intelligence to make more advanced tech than humans requires a brain that could have consciousness and experiences with God.

So that leaves only one other option I think. Though some may pose some sort of worm hole travel between universes in some multiverse where even advanced versions of ourselves are somehow breaching the matrix and glitching into our universe.

BUt that is just as far fetched as the last possibility. That these are spirits. Deomic spirits manifesting. It would make sense that if Satan is to come and rule the earth with great power and magic that made people fear to the point they would not dare challenge him or them that satan come as an alien.

Its a perfect disguise as it accomplishes all the required controls because us earthlings would be in awe and give all respect and power to someone who came claiming they had the answers to the many issues we face with advanced tech. While at the same time being able to rearrange things through working with allies on the ground who have alkready subjected themselves to decieving the world.

Otherwise I cannot see how satan could manifest himself. He certainly won't come as the evil figure he is. So he has to take either human form or alien form which to atheists is a natural evolution of the naturalistic world and would be believed. But to have such great power that the world fears him, I don't think any human is capable of this unless its a form of dictator like Hitler. But then everyone would realise in this Woke world that satan was a monster in controlling people against their will.

Its an interesting thought. I am not saying its necessarily the case. I don't know. But if satan was going to fool people to believe in him no human leader has gained the entire worlds confidence. But an alien with great tech power would certainly get everyones attention lol. Lets hope he is like Mork lol.

 

[Aaron112]

I have just checked and it looks like they deleted my post again. Is anyone willing to consider and discuss the possibility of extraterrestrial life from a biblical creationism POV?

That is one of the various philosophies Scripture says simply to avoid.

 

[Bob8102]

Yeah. I don't think its possible for the simple fact that Christ died once and for all and it was on planet earth.

If there are other humanlike alien life forms with a soul then they will have fallen as well with Adams fall. Which also only happened on earth. So they will need salvation.

But how can they get salvation when they are far away on another planet that would not have even heard of Christ. I don't think they could know CHrist like we know Him from another planet. Salvation works for us because Christ became one of us and this is an important link in Christ as fully man and fully God in one.

If there are aliens then they will have to be some weird form of advanced intelligent animals without a soul to be saved like animals on our planet. But much more advanced. We see animals with intelligence like bats and radar sensing, or chimps. A really advanced chimp perhaps. But I don't think so because to have that level of intelligence to make more advanced tech than humans requires a brain that could have consciousness and experiences with God.

So that leaves only one other option I think. Though some may pose some sort of worm hole travel between universes in some multiverse where even advanced versions of ourselves are somehow breaching the matrix and glitching into our universe.

BUt that is just as far fetched as the last possibility. That these are spirits. Deomic spirits manifesting. It would make sense that if Satan is to come and rule the earth with great power and magic that made people fear to the point they would not dare challenge him or them that satan come as an alien.

Its a perfect disguise as it accomplishes all the required controls because us earthlings would be in awe and give all respect and power to someone who came claiming they had the answers to the many issues we face with advanced tech. While at the same time being able to rearrange things through working with allies on the ground who have alkready subjected themselves to decieving the world.

Otherwise I cannot see how satan could manifest himself. He certainly won't come as the evil figure he is. So he has to take either human form or alien form which to atheists is a natural evolution of the naturalistic world and would be believed. But to have such great power that the world fears him, I don't think any human is capable of this unless its a form of dictator like Hitler. But then everyone would realise in this Woke world that satan was a monster in controlling people against their will.

Its an interesting thought. I am not saying its necessarily the case. I don't know. But if satan was going to fool people to believe in him no human leader has gained the entire worlds confidence. But an alien with great tech power would certainly get everyones attention lol. Lets hope he is like Mork lol.

You're talking about human-equivalent (or superior) beings on other worlds. I think there are NO human-equivalent or superior extraterrestrials. I think there might be lower-than-human creatures, like plants and animals. There are too many biblical problems with human-equivalent extraterrestrials. If they did not ever sin, what are they doing in a sin-cursed universe? If some of them did sin, then Christ would have to appear to them and maybe die again for them. Hebrews says Christ died ONCE for sins, that's it. So He did not go and die again for any alien species.

As to Satan appearing as an alien: I don't think that will happen either. The Antichrist will be a man. I attended a show by an Christian illusionist in college. At the end of the show, he gave a serious, evangelical talk. He said that while he was an illusionist, their is real magic performed by real demons. He warned us about that. He said that ghosts are really demons parading as ghosts. Apparently, space alien apparitions are also demons parading as such. With the spate of recent UFO sightings, it looks like demons are preparing the world to have a ready explanation for the rapture. It will be said that space aliens came and took away those millions or billions of people.

I think there might be lower-than-human creatures elsewhere in the universe. I see this as part of an extrapolation of what scripture says about us being commanded to subdue and having dominion over creation. If there are other worlds with life, we, in the original plan of creation, were to go, explore, colonize other worlds and rule over them and their creatures. If this is the case, then sin and the curse short-circuited the original plan of creation. Not only are we likely to not get very far in space before the rapture and tribulation, but God may have destroyed some, most or all extraterrestrial life as a part of the curse, maybe as part of events at the time of the flood of Noah. What He did to Venus demonstrates His wrath against sin. But at creation, the universe was a perfect paradise. Venus did not have its current environment. Because Venus is so similar to the earth as to it's most basic, geological characteristics, and because it is so near to us, it looks like Venus was in God's plans for us, originally. Venus is nearly our same size and gravity and is a rocky-core planet with an atmosphere. It is called our sister world. At creation, Venus was perfect, whatever that means. Since, in this era, we have sent probes to Venus and are planning to send more, then apparently God had plans for us and Venus. I speculate that it was earth-like and was either life-ready, waiting for us to bring life there, or that it had an ecosystem of its own. God cut short that plan due to sin and the curse. But might the remains of an ecosystem, chemical traces of it, still exist underground on Venus? I once mentioned the idea of drilling on Venus in search of traces of an extinct ecosystem to a knowledgeable amateur astronomer. He indicated that the prospects of that are not good, since the heat on Venus is so intense that the rocks themselves slowly flow. That killed the idea of traces of life remaining. But then, recently, I read that the rocks slowly flow over geologic ages. To an evolutionist, geologic ages are billions of years long. But from a creationist perspective, the entire universe is no more than about 6,000 years old. I asked ChatGPT if, given a creationist timeline, there is some chance that chemical traces of life on Venus could still exist, underground. It allowed this as a possibility. Since then, I have been trying to form an informal group called the Venus Underground, which would enlist people who think it would be worthwhile, eventually, for NASA to drill on Venus in search of these trace remains. The challenge and cost would be great. But there would be a payoff if an extinct ecosystem was discovered on Venus.

I am in favor of the search for extinct life on Mars and the search for earth-like exoplanets. From an evolutionist POV, we might find someplace a few, struggling microbes around a hydrothermal vent, showing the beginning of evolution on that planet. From a biblical creationist POV, we would expect a complete, planet-wide ecosystem, because life was created; it did not evolve. For all we know, God might have created life all over the universe. Then destroyed some, most or all of it as part of the curse. Or maybe He created sparse, extraterrestrial worlds with life. Or He may have created NO extraterrestrial life. We just do not know.

A Christian friend of mine recently died. He KNOWS whether or not God created life on other, natural words. But we, in this life, world and age, do not know yet.

 

[stevevw]

You're talking about human-equivalent (or superior) beings on other worlds. I think there are NO human-equivalent or superior extraterrestrials. I think there might be lower-than-human creatures, like plants and animals. There are too many biblical problems with human-equivalent extraterrestrials. If they did not ever sin, what are they doing in a sin-cursed universe? If some of them did sin, then Christ would have to appear to them and maybe die again for them. Hebrews says Christ died ONCE for sins, that's it. So He did not go and die again for any alien species.

This is my position. Christ would not have to be put through such an ordeal over and over again. He did it once and it was on planet earth and Christ is part of the fabric of our lived experiences on planet earth. We can go to where Christ walked and taught. This makes it real in the temporal sense.

As to Satan appearing as an alien: I don't think that will happen either. The Antichrist will be a man. I attended a show by an Christian illusionist in college. At the end of the show, he gave a serious, evangelical talk. He said that while he was an illusionist, their is real magic performed by real demons. He warned us about that. He said that ghosts are really demons parading as ghosts. Apparently, space alien apparitions are also demons parading as such. With the spate of recent UFO sightings, it looks like demons are preparing the world to have a ready explanation for the rapture. It will be said that space aliens came and took away those millions or billions of people.

Yeah makes sense. Its interesting you say there is real magic. When I first saw that magician Dynamo I really thought he was some sort of demon as he was actually walking on water and through walls. Of course it was all smoke and mirrors. Like how he ends backwards like in the Matrix with a little trick of putting a anchor point in the ground and a slot in his shoe to fix his foot to the ground.

But I could see how a man could have even greater powers and people thinking its magic but still being in awe like he is a god.

The UAP's are a weird phenomena. I don't know what goes on with these sightings. But every so often theres a spate of them even goping back 20 years with the NZ sightings which were very similar like lights or orb like lights darting around the place. We never get to hear the findings and are left up in the air.

The government says they don't know, and everyone is spectulating. But certainly its weird that we should accept that like its becoming part of life. So in that sense we are being readied for something.

I think there might be lower-than-human creatures elsewhere in the universe. I see this as part of an extrapolation of what scripture says about us being commanded to subdue and having dominion over creation. If there are other worlds with life, we, in the original plan of creation, were to go, explore, colonize other worlds and rule over them and their creatures. If this is the case, then sin and the curse short-circuited the original plan of creation. Not only are we likely to not get very far in space before the rapture and tribulation, but God may have destroyed some, most or all extraterrestrial life as a part of the curse, maybe as part of events at the time of the flood of Noah. What He did to Venus demonstrates His wrath against sin. But at creation, the universe was a perfect paradise. Venus did not have its current environment. Because Venus is so similar to the earth as to it's most basic, geological characteristics, and because it is so near to us, it looks like Venus was in God's plans for us, originally. Venus is nearly our same size and gravity and is a rocky-core planet with an atmosphere. It is called our sister world. At creation, Venus was perfect, whatever that means. Since, in this era, we have sent probes to Venus and are planning to send more, then apparently God had plans for us and Venus. I speculate that it was earth-like and was either life-ready, waiting for us to bring life there, or that it had an ecosystem of its own. God cut short that plan due to sin and the curse. But might the remains of an ecosystem, chemical traces of it, still exist underground on Venus? I once mentioned the idea of drilling on Venus in search of traces of an extinct ecosystem to a knowledgeable amateur astronomer. He indicated that the prospects of that are not good, since the heat on Venus is so intense that the rocks themselves slowly flow. That killed the idea of traces of life remaining. But then, recently, I read that the rocks slowly flow over geologic ages. To an evolutionist, geologic ages are billions of years long. But from a creationist perspective, the entire universe is no more than about 6,000 years old. I asked ChatGPT if, given a creationist timeline, there is some chance that chemical traces of life on Venus could still exist, underground. It allowed this as a possibility. Since then, I have been trying to form an informal group called the Venus Underground, which would enlist people who think it would be worthwhile, eventually, for NASA to drill on Venus in search of these trace remains. The challenge and cost would be great. But there would be a payoff if an extinct ecosystem was discovered on Venus.

I am in favor of the search for extinct life on Mars and the search for earth-like exoplanets. From an evolutionist POV, we might find someplace a few, struggling microbes around a hydrothermal vent, showing the beginning of evolution on that planet. From a biblical creationist POV, we would expect a complete, planet-wide ecosystem, because life was created; it did not evolve. For all we know, God might have created life all over the universe. Then destroyed some, most or all of it as part of the curse. Or maybe He created sparse, extraterrestrial worlds with life. Or He may have created NO extraterrestrial life. We just do not know.

I like the fine tuning arguement for God as it makes our planet special. The church use to think the earth was the center of the universe due to it being Gods place for humankind.

I read somewhere by a scientists can't remember his name or exact quote. But the question was why is the univers as big as it is. He then went through from the BB all the processes to get stars which carbon based life is based on. Well at least those elements. Whether thats how God created us is not the point. Its that everything in the universe, all the elements, laws, forces and fields are part of Gods creation and He has orchestrated them as part of His creation.

The entire massive universe which could go on for ever according to the latest JWT findings was designed for us. We are at the center and I don't think there is any other life though it may seem counter intuitive to evolution. There were big hopes with Mars and so far no traces of life. I wuld not be surpirsed though it would be hard to tell that we discover planet after planet void of life. Making our little blue speck very special indeed.

God made the universe just for us.

A Christian friend of mine recently died. He KNOWS whether or not God created life on other, natural words. But we, in this life, world and age, do not know yet.

Do you think there is NDE where someone can know through an outer body experience and then come back to tell us. As many people claim. Or is this some demon spirits. Because these experiences are usually life changing and the person usually comes to believe in God or some greater being beyond. They usually are shaken and change their life for the better and are never the same again.

 

[Bob8102]

I've only read about a few NDEs. Most of them sound unbelievable to me; I think the people made them up; they are not biblical. But there are a couple that sound believable to me. One was where a man went to heaven and saw his little sister, who had died earlier, possibly as an infant. She had an adult body and a full head of hair. I can believe that children who go to heaven receive full-sized, adult bodies. Another believable one was where a soldier died in a hospital room when he tried to get out of bed to go and rejoin his unit. He said Christ met him and showed him around to some people on earth and the stages in spiritual life that they were at. After he came back to life, he converted to Christ.

 

[stevevw]

I've only read about a few NDEs. Most of them sound unbelievable to me; I think the people made them up; they are not biblical. But there are a couple that sound believable to me. One was where a man went to heaven and saw his little sister, who had died earlier, possibly as an infant. She had an adult body and a full head of hair. I can believe that children who go to heaven receive full-sized, adult bodies. Another believable one was where a soldier died in a hospital room when he tried to get out of bed to go and rejoin his unit. He said Christ met him and showed him around to some people on earth and the stages in spiritual life that they were at. After he came back to life, he converted to Christ.

I think theres a spiritual realm but it could be demons or angels or consciousness which might have something to do with the soul. I know when my father died my sister, brother and myself were their praying in his last hours. He is as blind as a bat without glasses. Wore those thick lens.

He was drifting in and out of consciousness and when conscious was disorientated. As we prayed he suddenly sat forward with eyes wide open looking 45 degrees to the ceiling and his eyes were like that of a fully sighted person in focus. I have seen my dad and others with poor sight without glasses and you can see their eyes are out of focus and glazy.

So he seen something. I like to believe that it was God, Gods light or something like that as he was in awe of whatever it was. Then he passed only hours later. So he was in the death throws which I believe can be halfway between life and the afterlife. Not fully but glimpses.

The strange thing about NDE and OBE in not whether the individual experiences are verified because many are. But that humans have them in the first place. Test done have shown they are not from toxins, dreams, and imaginations because they happen in the area of the brain for actual evlived events. Like they are really happening.

The weird thing is the survivors or experiencers swear they are realer than you or me sitting at our computers. WE know when somethings a dream or an illusion and its often fragmented and you can't remember deatils. But these experiences are remembered for a lifetime in detail and they often change peoples lives towards God.

Anyway I didn't wan't to get into NDE but only to say its an interesting phenomen for humans and even if its not a real phenomen its a strange phenomena to have if there is no meaning and purpose to life and everything is material. What purpose would evolution have for such a thing.

 

[Jipsah]

For those knowing God here on earth, we know because we know Him that there is no life on any other world.

Chapter and verse on that, por favor.

 

[Jipsah]

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Science has really distorted the minds of christians concerning areas of God's creation.

If God had meant for humans to fly He'd have given them tickets!

 

[Jipsah]

I have just checked and it looks like they deleted my post again. Is anyone willing to consider and discuss the possibility of extraterrestrial life from a biblical creationism POV?

Both Scripture and Science are silent on the topic. Either way, no data is no data. That means no evidence either way. Comes down to "I think...", and your opinion on the subject is as valid as mine, which is to say not valid at all. . Being an old engineer, regarding questions upon which I have no data, and, IMO, the only valid reaction in such cases, is I Don't Know". One opinion on the subject us as arbirtary as another. Arguments for or against are equally asinine. If we don't know, we don't know, and making stuff up based on feels and imaginings produces nothing but rubbish.

 

[Jipsah]

Yeah. I don't think its possible for the simple fact that Christ died once and for all and it was on planet earth.

Which is like saying that since He died and rose again in Israel, then it wasn't for those in North America. Are we yalking about a Local God, here?

But how can they get salvation when they are far away

What's the Effective Range of our Lords sacrifice for sins? Does it actually reach here in Franklin, or help my kin in Seoul, or Los Angeles, or Aarhus?

on another planet that would not have even heard of Christ. I don't think they could know Christ like we know Him from another planet. Salvation works for us because Christ became one of us and this is an important link in Christ as fully man and fully God in one.

If there are aliens then they will have to be some weird form of advanced intelligent animals without a soul

Kinda like the soulless, swarthy, slanty-eyed devils transmarine from whom I'm descended? <Laugh>

So we're gonna decide if God has the technological wherewithal to save science fiction aliens who may or may not exist on some other planets somewhere, right?

Has interstellar racism just raised its head? Gee, how far we haven't come...

So that leaves only one other option I think. Though some may pose some sort of worm hole travel between universes in some multiverse where even advanced versions of ourselves are somehow breaching the matrix and glitching into our universe.

Sure, why not? Create a fantasy problem, and solve it with a fantasy answer. And, just en passant, base it all on a Limited Deity theology and interstellar racism. Oh hale yeah!

BUt that is just as far fetched as the last possibility. That these are spirits.

"These" who? The aliens you just invented? Sure, why not? My ancestors were "devils" right up until they lived down the street, and then they gradually went from there to foreign nuisances to being rejected from colleges because there are just too many of them. Hey, it even turns out that we're not all pagan heathens. Who'd a thunk it?

Net-net here is we're talking about plain old xenophobia, then fear of the Evil Them. The Evil Them who Weren't Like Us, so Christ's sacrifice didn't save. Yeah, let's beat that tub!

 

[Jipsah]

The UAP's are a weird phenomena. I don't know what goes on with these sightings.

That's why they're unidentified. Best bet for the latest favorite, the "Nimitz Incident"? 5th Generation Electronic counter measures being live tested by... somebody. The Infamous 53K mph "Chiclet" being the giveaway.

(Hint, assuming the "Chiclet" is a meter square, and weighs, oh, 50 kilos, try calculating how much energy it would take to accelerate it to 50k mph, drop below the visible horizon, decelerate, turn 180 degrees, accelerate back to 50k mph, and end up back where it started. Hint: ain't happening. Ah, so it has to be massless. Yep. So it has to be aliens? Really? How do aliens can do that? Because aliens are magic. Oh, I forgot that part.

So how did it happen? Easy, it didn't. The giveaway - it came back to where it started. Whassat mean? It means it never left where it started. But they saw it! At 50k mph? No. They saw what their instruments told them. There's no way to follow something visually at that speed. Never mind that air friction would have vaporized it. The Chiclet spoofed their instruments. That's what ECMs do!

But we like aliens, and alien magic, better. ECMs are boring geekboy stuff. Aliens and magic are cool! Engineers in cubicles, not so much. Especially if the engineers in cubicles are on yonder side of the world somewhere. (Think "devils transmarine").

The government says they don't know, and everyone is spectulating. But certainly its weird that we should accept that like its becoming part of life. So in that sense we are being readied for something.

Or when we see something flying that we can't recognize, it's a lot cooler to think "Aliens!" than it is "Qantas!"

 

[stevevw]

Which is like saying that since He died and rose again in Israel, then it wasn't for those in North America. Are we yalking about a Local God, here?

Completely different. Christs impact was on the world history. We base time on Christs coming with BC and AD. The point was it was for North Americans because they have also heard the gospel by the fact that millions are Christians.

The fact that this began as a Jewish religion and westerners were converted is evidence that the meassage spread from the cross throughout the world. Americans can go and visit the place where Christ walked and was born and crucified. We have nopn biblical evidence.

But that would not be the same for aliens living 1,000s of light years away. Its the fact that it happebed within our own history on planet earth is part of why it works. Its an intimate connection with who we are as earthlings.

What's the Effective Range of our Lords sacrifice for sins? Does it actually reach here in Franklin, or help my kin in Seoul, or Los Angeles, or Aarhus?

Yes there are been converts in all nations throughout the world when they hear the gospel. Christ will not return until the gospel is preached to all. But thats never going to happen for aliens and thats why they cannot be conscious beings who have a conscience and sin.

Kinda like the soulless, swarthy, slanty-eyed devils transmarine from whom I'm descended? <Laugh>

Yes even they can be saved.

So we're gonna decide if God has the technological wherewithal to save science fiction aliens who may or may not exist on some other planets somewhere, right?

God has the technological wherewithall. There is no tech in Gods way. There can be no aliens with souls outside the earth. They may be advanced apes lol. Ever seen planet of the apes lol. Not that this is true.

Has interstellar racism just raised its head? Gee, how far we haven't come...

There can't be interstellar racism if there are no interstellar aliens with souls that need saving. But if there was then God would make it that they have an opportunity to be saved as God says Christ will not return until everyone has heard the gospel. He desires that everyone be saved.

Sure, why not? Create a fantasy problem, and solve it with a fantasy answer. And, just en passant, base it all on a Limited Deity theology and interstellar racism. Oh hale yeah!

First worm holes and multiverses with possible different versions of humans is a scientific theory based on Quantum physics and consequences of current accepted theories of how out universe began like Inflation theory. So your creating a strawman and red herring.

I have dealt with the interstella racism and limited diety. There are no aliens with souls and if there were as God is all knowing and everywhere He would have provided them with a way to be saved. If your going to engage in using God then first get right who he is. He is not limited.

"These" who? The aliens you just invented? Sure, why not?

I began by saying theres no aliens with soulds. So your creating another fallacy. Misrepresenting what I actually said.

My ancestors were "devils" right up until they lived down the street, and then they gradually went from there to foreign nuisances to being rejected from colleges because there are just too many of them. Hey, it even turns out that we're not all pagan heathens. Who'd a thunk it?

Net-net here is we're talking about plain old xenophobia, then fear of the Evil Them. The Evil Them who Weren't Like Us, so Christ's sacrifice didn't save. Yeah, let's beat that tub!

What are you talking about. Your creating this big strawman and arguing with yourself over it lol. I have not said or implied anything you are conflating my replies into.

I just said that the gospel is to be preached to all regardless of who they are. Your conflating a thought experiment about possible aliens existing and needing saving or not with earthlings. All earthlings because they are earthlings are made in Gods image, they are all treated the same and Christ came for them all on planet earth and not some alien planet that may or may not exist.

 

[Jipsah]

The fact that this began as a Jewish religion and westerners were converted is evidence that the meassage spread from the cross throughout the world.

Just kind of by osmosis, then. Just sort of, happened. Right?

Americans can go and visit the place where Christ walked and was born and crucified. We have nopn biblical evidence.

Yeah...now.

But that would not be the same for aliens living 1,000s of light years away.

Yep, completely out of God's reach.

Its the fact that it happebed within our own history on planet earth is part of why it works. Its an intimate connection with who we are as earthlings.

Good job we're earthlings, then, innit? Otherwise we'd be up a stump, wouldn't we?

Yes there are been converts in all nations throughout the world when they hear the gospel. Christ will not return until the gospel is preached to all. But thats never going to happen for aliens and thats why they cannot be conscious beings who have a conscience and sin.

Yep, God could populate and care for a planet with actual people on it, but a universe full of them? No way! That's just too much! No way He could handle sentient beings scattered over so vast an area. Makes you wonder how He managed to create all of it in the first place. I reckon that militates against there being any aliens at all. Sounds like it was all God could to create all that stuff at all, musg less put people in it.

God has the technological wherewithall.

Doesn't sound like it. You're telling me that God can save only a relative handful of sentient beings and manage to take care of them because the distances involved would be too much for Him to deal with. Hence any lifeforms Out There would ncessarily be essentially lower animals.

There can be no aliens with souls outside the earth.

Yeah, I reckon even God has to know His limits.

There can't be interstellar racism if there are no interstellar aliens with souls that need saving.

So if aliens actually show up one day, there's no need to treat them as our equals at all, since they're simply expendable critters, not immortal beings. Maybe if they're high functioning we could use them as servants or other cheap labor.

But if there was then God would make it that they have an opportunity to be saved as God says Christ will not return until everyone has heard the gospel. He desires that everyone be saved.

Well that obvious;ly can't happen because the universe is just way too big, right?

First worm holes and multiverses with possible different versions of humans is a scientific theory based on Quantum physics and consequences of current accepted theories of how out universe began like Inflation theory. So your creating a strawman and red herring.

I'm sorry, what?

I have dealt with the interstella racism and limited diety. There are no aliens with souls

Ergo if any show up they needn't be treated as thought they were in any way equal to us. They're at best simply animals.

and if there were as God is all knowing and everywhere He would have provided them with a way to be saved.

You sure He's up to a task of that magnitude?

If your going to engage in using God then first get right who he is. He is not limited.

Except by distance.

I began by saying theres no aliens with soulds

Right, so if there are aliens at all there's no need to act as though they're our equals. .

What are you talking about. Your creating this big strawman

You've lost me there. You're assering that if God has created alien lifeforms they can't possibly be potentially eternal beings llike ourselves. They'll simply be animals.

and arguing with yourself

Because I sometimes like to engage a worthy opponent just for novelty's sake.

have not said or implied anything you are conflating my replies into.

Hmmm... as best I can tell, you're still maintaining that there are practical limits to God's ability to save His creatures from themselves, i.e., He can't manage them over long distances. You're still arguing that any extraterrestrial beings, if any, whom God has created cannot possibly be anything other than lower animals. So you're still positing a Limited God, and call it what you will, Interstellar Racism.

I just said that the gospel is to be preached to all regardless of who they are.

Even soulless aliens? Why?

Your conflating a thought experiment about possible aliens existing and needing saving or not with earthlings.

And you've evaded that by assuming that all aliens, if there are any, are soulless automata or lesser animals.

All earthlings because they are earthlings are made in Gods image,

Which makes us unique in all of God's creation because He just can't have made anyone in His image anywhere else.

they are all treated the same and Christ came for them all on planet earth and not some alien planet that may or may not exist.

So it all depends on where one was born. A lot like those "devil's from across the sea" from whom I a am descended. And here, I believe, is where we started.

 

[stevevw]

Just kind of by osmosis, then. Just sort of, happened. Right?

If you want to pretend a pretty extraordinary event just happened to happen.

Yeah...now.

Yes and so called aliens can't.

Yep, completely out of God's reach.

Actually its not considering God created the universe.

Good job we're earthlings, then, innit? Otherwise we'd be up a stump, wouldn't we?

Yep God don't leave anything to chance lol. Its good innit. lol.

Yep, God could populate and care for a planet with actual people on it, but a universe full of them? No way! That's just too much! No way He could handle sentient beings scattered over so vast an area. Makes you wonder how He managed to create all of it in the first place. I reckon that militates against there being any aliens at all. Sounds like it was all God could to create all that stuff at all, musg less put people in it.

Hum he he mamanged to create an entire universe and everything in it and had already created human beings and animals I am sure He could have created other life if He wanted to.

The beauty is that He created the entire universe just for us.

Doesn't sound like it. You're telling me that God can save only a relative handful of sentient beings and manage to take care of them because the distances involved would be too much for Him to deal with. Hence any lifeforms Out There would ncessarily be essentially lower animals.

You just answered the question. If there are any lifeforms they are going to be souless and not needing to be saved.

The original point was that the bible says God sent his some to planet earth and that the bible says Christ died once and for all. If there were conscious beings with souls that need saving then it would be impossible for them to be saved because Christ would need to go and die on their planet. But He has already done that on earth.

So God would not create beings with souls that need saving and no way for them to be saved. Hense there are no aliens out there with souls.

Yeah, I reckon even God has to know His limits.

Its not about Gods limits but the practical issue of those aliens not being able to hear the gospel from so far away. Not having Christ die on their planet as part of their history which is needed. God would never make His sone be crucified twice. Its just once and for all.

So if aliens actually show up one day, there's no need to treat them as our equals at all, since they're simply expendable critters, not immortal beings. Maybe if they're high functioning we could use them as servants or other cheap labor.

Or maybe sophisticated pets lol. But I would say they are expendible. We don't treat our pet dogs as expendible. We are a bit more compassionate than that.

Well that obvious;ly can't happen because the universe is just way too big, right?

Hense no aliens out there. The process for salvation and the prophesies are already happening here on earth. It doesn't matter whats out there as all the action is here on earth.

I'm sorry, what?

I was responding to your claim that the wormholes and multiverses are fantasies. They are theorectical physics. The multiverse is a prediction for Inflation theory which is widely accepted as to how our universe came to be. Wormholes are a prediction of quantum mechanics and entanglement.

Ergo if any show up they needn't be treated as thought they were in any way equal to us. They're at best simply animals.

Ok if you want. If you think thats best. We should also treat animals good. They may be like puppy dogs and we should love and cuddle puppy dogs. Don't be so cruel lol.

You sure He's up to a task of that magnitude?

Ah if he created em then He can save em. Thats if they have been good little boys and girls. Or maybe thats puppies or furries or maybe intelligent jelly blubbers.

You've lost me there. You're assering that if God has created alien lifeforms they can't possibly be potentially eternal beings llike ourselves. They'll simply be animals.

Yes so your creating a strawman by continually conflating that they need saving and God is incapabl;e because of the distance. If they are souless animals then they don't need saving.

Because I sometimes like to engage a worthy opponent just for novelty's sake.

I know.

Hmmm... as best I can tell, you're still maintaining that there are practical limits to God's ability to save His creatures from themselves, i.e., He can't manage them over long distances. You're still arguing that any extraterrestrial beings, if any, whom God has created cannot possibly be anything other than lower animals. So you're still positing a Limited God, and call it what you will, Interstellar Racism.

Its not about the distance, well it is as aliens would have to find a way to get to our planet to hear the gospel and experience the reality of Christ dying in their own history which is needed to establish a relationship with God. God came to us in human form, not alien, not some strange intelligent species but humans.

So its more about Christ needing to die on their planet as well. But thats impossible because Christ dies once and for all on this planet. Plus it would be a horrible thing to have to go through again. Once is enough.

And you've evaded that by assuming that all aliens, if there are any, are soulless automata or lesser animals.

I haven't avoided anything and its not an assumption. The bible clearly states that CHrist died once and for all. So there cannot be any creatures with souls as Christ cannot go and die on their planet. Its already been done and they will never know about the gospel. So God will not have created beings with souls without any way of being saved.

Which makes us unique in all of God's creation because He just can't have made anyone in His image anywhere else.

Thats right as they would have no way of hearing the gosspel, experiencing Chjrist in their own history and having the chance to be saved.

So it all depends on where one was born. A lot like those "devil's from across the sea" from whom I a am descended. And here, I believe, is where we started.

Its easier to get the gospel to parts of this world then an alient planet billions of miles away.

There is a massive revival happening in China in recent years. It doesn't matter which nation. There are even Islamists converting. Somehow the gospel gets through and people hear. But nevertheless Christ will not return until the gosspel is heard everywhere. But it must be getting close as just about everywhere has heard the gospel.

The thing about nations who were denied in the past they only have to hear a whisper and they understand. To them its revolutionary because they have either been denied belief or have been oppressed. So often they are more ready to convert than westerners who have become complacent and hardened to Gods word.

China: Inside the biggest revival in history

China: Inside the biggest revival in history

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Muslims Turn To Jesus In Gaza War

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_... Muslims convert,, Kenya, Kosovo, Kyrgyzstan,

Nowhere is out of bounds for God. Even the most anti God nations and people. The Holy spirit can still penetrate satans strongholds.

 

[Yarddog]

I have just checked and it looks like they deleted my post again. Is anyone willing to consider and discuss the possibility of extraterrestrial life from a biblical creationism POV?

I see no reason that God may have created life other places. It does not effect the marvels God created on Earth.