Irish Vote Landslide ‘Yes’ to Abortion

[Ringo84]

why the need to use that anti Christians picture?

I heard you. Please explain; I'm all ears.
Sir Ringo

 

[Micah888]

I disagree, I don't approve of abortion either but I think they made the right decision to leave the option open in some cases. They don't have abortion on demand as if it were contraception, so there's that.

If abortion is illegal, people will think twice about breaking the law to kill a baby. Which protects the unborn and harms absolutely no one.

Now that the legal restraints are gone, they will demand that the State fund abortions (just like the Left-Liberals in the USA and other countries). Planned Parenthood was given a whopping half-billion dollars to continue with their butchering industry by the recent Omnibus Spending Bill (which Trump failed to veto after threatening to do so).

So the Irish tax-payer will be on the hook for supporting something he or she totally disagrees with. It is only a matter of time. Give an inch and they want a mile.

 

[Inkfingers]

So the value of each baby's life is to be decided by their mother.

That isn't law, its chaos.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

If abortion is illegal, people will think twice about breaking the law to kill a baby. Which protects the unborn and harms absolutely no one.

Now that the legal restraints are gone, they will demand that the State fund abortions (just like the Left-Liberals in the USA and other countries). Planned Parenthood was given a whopping half-billion dollars to continue with their butchering industry by the recent Omnibus Spending Bill (which Trump failed to veto after threatening to do so).

So the Irish tax-payer will be on the hook for supporting something he or she totally disagrees with. It is only a matter of time. Give an inch and they want a mile.

I pretty sure tax payers don't pay for abortion at planned parent hood. Unless if it life and danger. Or the abortion pill for rape victims at the hospital. And you are crazy if you think getting rid of planned parenthood would stop abortions. And really it's non of our business if someone aborts. Less mouths for tax payer to feed and take care of . Just like Conservatives Christian don't like wasting money on those pesky babies. That they pretend to care about being born.

 

[Nithavela]

Planned Parenthood was given a whopping half-billion dollars to continue with their butchering industry by the recent Omnibus Spending Bill (which Trump failed to veto after threatening to do so).

Come on, give the man a break. He payed lip service, what more could you ask from him?

 

[Micah888]

And really it's non of our business if someone aborts.

As long as the government stays out of it, and taxpayer dollars do not fund abortion clinics, etc. But all of this has been happening in the Western world.

 

[Occams Barber]

The Final Result

The final results of the vote to repeal the Eighth Amendment to the Irish Constitution have been announced.

66.4% of voters were in favour of repealing the abortion ban while 33.6% voted 'No'. Voter turnout was a record 64.5%. Only one constituency, Donegal, had a majority 'No' vote (51.9% 'No'). Both voter turnout and the 'Yes' vote exceeded the results for the 2015 vote on Same Sex Marriage (60.5% turnout, 62.07% 'Yes').

It's a great day for the Irish.
OB

 

[Allandavid]

The Final Result

The final results of the vote to repeal the Eighth Amendment to the Irish Constitution have been announced.

66.4% of voters were in favour of repealing the abortion ban while 33.6% voted 'No'. Voter turnout was a record 64.5%. Only one constituency, Donegal, had a majority 'No' vote (51.9% 'No'). Both voter turnout and the 'Yes' vote exceeded the results for the 2015 vote on Same Sex Marriage (60.5% turnout, 62.07% 'Yes').

It's a great day for the Irish.
OB

T’be sure, t’be sure...

 

[jayem]

I pretty sure tax payers don't pay for abortion at planned parent hood. Unless if it life and danger. Or the abortion pill for rape victims at the hospital.

Yes and no. The Hyde Amendment, which has been in effect since the 70s, prohibits federal funding of abortion unless the monther's life/health is endangered by the pregnancy, or if the pregnancy resulted from rape or incest. But this only applies to federally funded health care. Which is largely Medicaid, military health care, and health insurance for federal employees and families. (Medicare is also federally funded, but few Medicare patients get pregnant.) However, Medicaid is half-funded by the states. And a state could use its own funds to cover elective abortion for Medicaid patients. That decision is up to the state legislature. And IIRC, over a dozen states do cover Medicaid abortion for reasons beyond the federal restriction. So if you reside in one of these states, your taxes could be funding abortions for other than health reasons.

 

[Kentonio]

If abortion is illegal, people will think twice about breaking the law to kill a baby. Which protects the unborn and harms absolutely no one.

That's a nice fiction you tell yourself. Unfortunately the reality is completely different, and always involves
women getting abortions from back alley abortionists, in unclean and unsafe environments where not only is there a vastly higher risk of the woman dying, but she is also at huge risk of sexual assault, blackmail, and other forms of abuse.

None of this is subjective, this is pure historical fact. Making something illegal doesn't stop it, any more than Prohibition stopped people drinking.

 

[mark kennedy]

The Final Result

The final results of the vote to repeal the Eighth Amendment to the Irish Constitution have been announced.

66.4% of voters were in favour of repealing the abortion ban while 33.6% voted 'No'. Voter turnout was a record 64.5%. Only one constituency, Donegal, had a majority 'No' vote (51.9% 'No'). Both voter turnout and the 'Yes' vote exceeded the results for the 2015 vote on Same Sex Marriage (60.5% turnout, 62.07% 'Yes').

It's a great day for the Irish.
OB

I don't know about a great day, but certainly they made a difficult choice and should be applauded for it. I don't approve of homosexual behavior nor do I approve of abortion but I appreciate democracy in action. Compared to the US and Europe I'd say they are very moderate in their legislation and this vote, it's not extreme by any stretch. It's when it's an issue where you are adamantly opposed that tests your confidence in freedom and self governance. Both were close votes in my estimation, I'm sure it's a tense political climate. I worry and believe me, I'm not happy about abortion in Ireland but I have to take this into consideration:

The outcome signaled the end of an era in which thousands of women each year had been forced either to travel abroad or to buy pills illegally online to terminate their pregnancies, risking a 14-year jail sentence. The government has said that general practitioners — doctors who are the first port of call for patients — will be asked to provide abortions, although they will still be allowed to conscientiously object to termination at their clinics. (Ireland Votes to End Abortion Ban, in Rebuke to Catholic Conservatism. New York Times)
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I'll never approve of abortion but I don't approve of the government intervening in personal and private decisions. It could not have been an easy choice, I expect it was gut wrenching for so many. But weighed in the balance I think they came to an informed decision and I pray that the decision in favor of choice bestows the benefit of liberty without further eroding their moral consensus. God bless them I say, God help them to find a path through this. God be with the Irish as they sort through this, while I don't really agree, I support their right to their decision and wish them nothing but the best.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[Zoness]

I guess the Roman Catholic Church, scandals and all, should not assume that they'd hold cultural hegemony forever.

 

[Inkfingers]

None of this is subjective, this is pure historical fact. Making something illegal doesn't stop it, any more than Prohibition stopped people drinking.

Strawman.

Well all know that making something illegal does not stop it occurring; which is why rape will always happen. The Law though allows for people to be convicted...

 

[Kentonio]

Strawman.

Well all know that making something illegal does not stop it occurring; which is why rape will always happen. The Law though allows for people to be convicted...

Yes, and apparently locking up innocent women is your preferred solution. Which is why people like me will always fight to stop you getting what you want.

 

[Inkfingers]

Yes, and apparently locking up innocent women is your preferred solution. Which is why people like me will always fight to stop you getting what you want.

You mean because people who kill babies are innocent?

Crikey, if that's the standard you apply, I do you don't criticise the lesser crime of child abuse (lesser than killing)...

 

[Kentonio]

You mean because people who kill babies are innocent?

Crikey, if that's the standard you apply, I do you don't criticise the lesser crime of child abuse (lesser than killing)...

This is a Christian forum and I have no intention of abusing the hosts hospitality by entering into a moral debate with you about abortion. I’ve pointed out the practical failings of your argument, and you seem to lack any kind of compassion or understanding of the issue. As such, I’ll stop here.

 

[Inkfingers]

This is a Christian forum and I have no intention of abusing the hosts hospitality by entering into a moral debate with you about abortion. I’ve pointed out the practical failings of your argument, and you seem to lack any kind of compassion or understanding of the issue. As such, I’ll stop here.

Or I simply show compassion to the one you do not, the child.

Abortion is victim-blaming of the most serious kind.