Iran

[Lovely Lane]

Even crazy people have their different reasons that lead to different actions, though one seriously has to question who is showing symptoms of irrationality.

yes. It is about perspective. And through professional diplomacy not only can a clear picture be created also a clear direction. Not all negotiations are successful, but it deserves a chance to work.

 

[woodpecker]

Iran...bad

Israel...good

Iran- crazy Islamic beliefs...US the big Satan...Isreal, little Satan

Israel,- trying to live peaceful in their country

Iran,- all Jews should be dead, lets make a nuclear bomb, lets tell the world we would like to annihilate Israel.

Israel has every reason conceivable to man to defend themselves against this crazy nation Iran, who threatens continually to destroy them.

Not because they are Gods chosen people, for God chosen people are only those who believe in Jesus Christ, but because their nation is threatened.

I pray the US would bring all our troops home from around the world, and mind our own business. How do we have the monies to fight Afghanistan, Iran, Syria....how can it be right to kill all are young men and women in the armed forces...God help us.

 

[ebia]

Iran...bad

Israel...good

Iran- crazy Islamic beliefs...US the big Satan...Isreal, little Satan

Israel,- trying to live peaceful in their country

Iran,- all Jews should be dead, lets make a nuclear bomb, lets tell the world we would like to annihilate Israel.

Israel has every reason conceivable to man to defend themselves against this crazy nation Iran, who threatens continually to destroy them.

Not because they are Gods chosen people, for God chosen people are only those who believe in Jesus Christ, but because their nation is threatened.

I thought the first lines were satire to start with, but you're serious aren't you?

I pray the US would bring all our troops home from around the world, and mind our own business. How do we have the monies to fight Afghanistan, Iran, Syria....how can it be right to kill all are young men and women in the armed forces...God help us.

Having destroyed Afghanistan over one non-Afghan (who was in Pakistan for most of that time anyway), the US has made Afghanistan its business.

 

[WinBySurrender]

By the way, this thread is waaaaay off topic.

Please make posts regarding Iran.

You're welcome.

 

[Lovely Lane]

You're welcome.

Thanks friend, you are right, I think the thread was derailed.

It could be a decent thread if theology is kept to strengthen ones post, pov.
Iran is a player in world politics and economy. It would be edifying to learn more and keep track of current events inside Iran.

 

[Lovely Lane]

Iran's top leader welcomes Obama's remarks - Yahoo! News

Obama added that the Iranians need to show how serious they are about resolving the crisis. He said there are steps the Iranians can take "that are verifiable" and will allow the country to be "in compliance with international norms and mandates."

 

[Lovely Lane]

Israeli Newspaper: US Offered Israel Advanced Weaponry In Exchange For Delaying Iran Attack | Fox News

The US offered to give Israel advanced weaponry -- including bunker-busting bombs and refueling planes -- in exchange for Israel's agreement not to attack Iranian nuclear sites, Israeli newspaper Maariv reported Thursday.

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If this information is true,(I doubt it) why would it be leaked? Perhaps to ruin current diplomacy efforts? To ruin Obama's re-election effort?
Inaccurate reporting on issues that could lead to war and American lives should be stifled unless proof is offered. Yellow Journalism can kill.

 

[John S]

I don't believe that there will be a war between Israel and Iran or betwen Israel and anyone - at least not until the end of Tribulation.

 

[conamer]

Israeli Newspaper: US Offered Israel Advanced Weaponry In Exchange For Delaying Iran Attack | Fox News


If this information is true,(I doubt it) why would it be leaked? Perhaps to ruin current diplomacy efforts? To ruin Obama's re-election effort?
Inaccurate reporting on issues that could lead to war and American lives should be stifled unless proof is offered. Yellow Journalism can kill.

Why do you assume it was leaked?

 

[Lovely Lane]

Why do you assume it was leaked?

What do you mean?
hint/clue; "...newspaper cited unnamed Western diplomatic and intelligence sources"

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[Almighty's humble servant]

What is it about liberal Christians that does not allow them to grasp that the country should unequivocally be standing with Israel?

Crucify HIM. The single most significant endeavor done by the people of Israel was to reject and murder the Son of God Himself. But like you said, shouldn't we unequivocally stand with the Jews

If Iran so much as launched 1, just 1, missile that had the capabilities of killing more than 1000 people the US would shoot it out of the air, then the Iranians would feel the full force of the US and Israeli regimes.

But, as the Scripture says, the Ram merely rages and taunts towards the North and South and East. It never strikes. Yet it is devoured by the goat from the west, as if it was nothing. Indeed, the Word has been written.

First Hussein, then Ajad. Then the prominent horn of the goat. The big O, laid low himself. And by who? The zionist zealots, the same who rejected He who came in His Father's name. Wow, what a proud tradition.

 

[LLWHA]

Crucify HIM. The single most significant endeavor done by the people of Israel was to reject and murder the Son of God Himself. But like you said, shouldn't we unequivocally stand with the Jews

If Iran so much as launched 1, just 1, missile that had the capabilities of killing more than 1000 people the US would shoot it out of the air, then the Iranians would feel the full force of the US and Israeli regimes.

But, as the Scripture says, the Ram merely rages and taunts towards the North and South and East. It never strikes. Yet it is devoured by the goat from the west, as if it was nothing. Indeed, the Word has been written.

First Hussein, then Ajad. Then the prominent horn of the goat. The big O, laid low himself. And by who? The zionist zealots, the same who rejected He who came in His Father's name. Wow, what a proud tradition.

The people that had the body that Jesus Christ was using murdered were not Israel. Israel means champions of God. The people that had Jesus murdered were a mutt group that took over Jerusalem. Jesus called them sons of satan or later "them which say they are Jews, and are NOT, but [are] (Idumeans) the synagogue of Satan" Jesus Christ

 

[Almighty's humble servant]

The people that had the body that Jesus Christ was using murdered were not Israel. Israel means champions of God. The people that had Jesus murdered were a mutt group that took over Jerusalem. Jesus called them sons of satan or later "them which say they are Jews, and are NOT, but [are] (Idumeans) the synagogue of Satan" Jesus Christ

Oh, kindof like the ones who are occupying the land today as part of the globalists agenda of seating a man as king over all in the temple of the Lord.

 

[conamer]

Crucify HIM. The single most significant endeavor done by the people of Israel was to reject and murder the Son of God Himself. But like you said, shouldn't we unequivocally stand with the Jews

If Iran so much as launched 1, just 1, missile that had the capabilities of killing more than 1000 people the US would shoot it out of the air, then the Iranians would feel the full force of the US and Israeli regimes.

But, as the Scripture says, the Ram merely rages and taunts towards the North and South and East. It never strikes. Yet it is devoured by the goat from the west, as if it was nothing. Indeed, the Word has been written.

First Hussein, then Ajad. Then the prominent horn of the goat. The big O, laid low himself. And by who? The zionist zealots, the same who rejected He who came in His Father's name. Wow, what a proud tradition.

My name is written in His wounds. Our sin crucified Him, not just a few Jews, he died for all of us.

"The Lord will roar from Zion and thunder from Jerusalem; But the Lord will be a refuge for his people, a stronghold for the people of Israel."-Joel 3:16

Who's side are you on?

 

[WinBySurrender]

Crucify HIM. The single most significant endeavor done by the people of Israel was to reject and murder the Son of God Himself. But like you said, shouldn't we unequivocally stand with the Jews

If Iran so much as launched 1, just 1, missile that had the capabilities of killing more than 1000 people the US would shoot it out of the air, then the Iranians would feel the full force of the US and Israeli regimes.

But, as the Scripture says, the Ram merely rages and taunts towards the North and South and East. It never strikes. Yet it is devoured by the goat from the west, as if it was nothing. Indeed, the Word has been written.

First Hussein, then Ajad. Then the prominent horn of the goat. The big O, laid low himself. And by who? The zionist zealots, the same who rejected He who came in His Father's name. Wow, what a proud tradition.

You really don't understand Scripture very well, do you? They are not "Zionist Zealots" but the nation God has established from the time of Abraham as His chosen nation by which the message of God and the Word of God has come forth. God is not a man that He should lie. He will fulfill the promises He has made to Israel through Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Have you not read the Old Testament? Israel was not exactly the model of obedience, yet God's hand never left Israel! How is it you and other fail to understand that? And fail to understand that the nation of Israel will be rewarded as His chosen nation through the faithful remnant?

 

[Lovely Lane]

How one understands, taught/teaches or interprets bible stories and expresses it honestly without malice of another pov should be promoted. Acceptance is not mandatory, even today's rabbis debate alternative meanings and lesson's learned from these OT passages.

Why is it that one can sneak a blessing and be the chosen one?

Jacob, derived from the Hebrew for "heel." This name signals that Jacob's whole life, the lives of his descendants, will be consumed by a struggle for dominance over his brother, Esau.

A birthright is a spiritual right; can it be sold for… a stew?! Nope,

Mother, do I have to?! dress up in Esau’s garments, pretend to be Esau, Lie, sneak a blessing. This was Rebeka's plan, not God's plan, and Isaac went along with it, why so? (Gen 27:35)......“Your brother came deceitfully and took your blessing.”

In 135, the Jewish Diaspora took place. It seems not matter where the Jews settled, there was great trouble. In 1948 the Zionist got their State by force by manipulating the super powers of the day. Like Jacob, this State of Israel is manipulating, cunning, conniving, dishonest. Now Israel attempts to manipulate USA into a war with Iran. nuff said.

 

[Almighty's humble servant]

How one understands, taught/teaches or interprets bible stories and expresses it honestly without malice of another pov should be promoted. Acceptance is not mandatory, even today's rabbis debate alternative meanings and lesson's learned from these OT passages.

Why is it that one can sneak a blessing and be the chosen one?

Jacob, derived from the Hebrew for "heel." This name signals that Jacob's whole life, the lives of his descendants, will be consumed by a struggle for dominance over his brother, Esau.

A birthright is a spiritual right; can it be sold for… a stew?! Nope,

Mother, do I have to?! dress up in Esau’s garments, pretend to be Esau, Lie, sneak a blessing. This was Rebeka's plan, not God's plan, and Isaac went along with it, why so? (Gen 27:35)......“Your brother came deceitfully and took your blessing.”

In 135, the Jewish Diaspora took place. It seems not matter where the Jews settled, there was great trouble. In 1948 the Zionist got their State by force by manipulating the super powers of the day. Like Jacob, this State of Israel is manipulating, cunning, conniving, dishonest. Now Israel attempts to manipulate USA into a war with Iran. nuff said.

Well said brother........and Netanyahu is no more one of the faithful remnant than Herod was.

I think it's fair to say that the faithful chosen of the nation are anonymous and indifferent as to their worldly fate. Just as Christ Jesus taught us we should be.

 

[John S]

AHS - Lovely Lane is NOT a sis.

 

[woodpecker]

""The Lord will roar from Zion and thunder from Jerusalem; But the Lord will be a refuge for his people, a stronghold for the people of Israel."-Joel 3:16"
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when a born again Christian reads the OT, he/she must do so in the Light and knowledge of living under the grace of Christ, and to whom the OT scripture is talking to.

who are Gods people, In the OT it is all those who had faith and hope in the Messiah to come. After Christ, all those who have faith in the Messiah, are grafted into the tree of Abraham, Issac and Jacob.

There are not two chosen peoples, especially a people who curse His name, modern day Israel. Yes their is a remnant of of Jews that will believe.

It is a false teaching to say God is still concerned about a physical place for His people, for His people are made up of Jews, gentiles, male, female and slave.

Our promise land is the New Jerusalem to come, the new earth and heaven.

thank you Jesus.

 

[Lovely Lane]

AHS - Lovely Lane is NOT a sis.

Thanks bro. lol!

that username I picked is confusing.

For anyone who cares, fyi:
Lovey Lane meetinghouse (Baltimore) was the location of where Methodism first began, 1784. (Methodist Episcopal Church in America) Men like Wesley, Coke & Asbury. A High-tech means of delivering the Gospel by 'circuit-riders' was formed, many of which were laymen who established churches.

Those guy's are heroes of mine, much history here, that could take many hours of visitation on my front porch to discuss.

In December 1784, the famous Christmas Conference of preachers was held in Baltimore at Lovely Lane Chapel to chart the future course of the movement in America. Most of the American preachers attended, probably including two African Americans, Harry Hosier and Richard Allen. It was at this gathering that the movement became organized as The Methodist Episcopal Church in America.

Roots, 1736–1816 - UMC.org