Iran

[Lovely Lane]

How Iran's actions effect the world...

The ayatollah will seek “to eliminate the post of president,” said Aliakbar Mousavi Khoeini, a former reformist member of the Parliament now living in exile in the United States.

Maybe the elections in Iran will remove Ahmadinejad and the world will be a better place, or not.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/05/w...dinejad-and-the-presidency.html?_r=1&ref=iran

IRAN says its defence computer systems have been infected with a ''supervirus'' similar to the one believed to have been created by Israel that severely damaged Tehran's nuclear program last year.

wonder how that happened?

Read more: Virus hits Iran's defence network
​

12 For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places. Ephesians 6:12 (NLT)

Pray for Peace in Iran

 

[Zaac]

The office of the President has never been the real issue in Iran. He is underneath the authority of the Ayatollah Khameini. The Ayatollah is the Supreme leader. He controls the military. He alone can declare war.

Ahmidinejad, the President, does what the Ayatollah tells him to do.

 

[God's Fighter]

I'm a little amused at how he wasn't much of a problem until re-election time came up.

 

[Lovely Lane]

Have to understand Iranian politics and the position of ayatollah. Not having political parties it is more of conservative vs. more conservative.

Maybe since Ayatollah Ali Khamenei issued the 2005 fatwas that production, stockpile and use of nuclear weapons was forbidden, there may be rays of daylight in a non-nuclear weapon in Iran.

Not saying that Khamenei is a peach, but our government has worked with worst.

 

[Lovely Lane]

I'm a little amused at how he wasn't much of a problem until re-election time came up.

I read where there has been resentment and that Ahmadinejad kept inching for more control and power. In "challenging the authority of the clergy and trying to recast the presidency into a more powerful post that could operate independently" since 2010. http://topics.nytimes.com/top/refer...mahmoud_ahmadinejad/index.html?inline=nyt-per

It will sure be interesting , to say the least, in watching how Iran redefines itself in the weeks to come.

 

[God's Fighter]

I suppose I meant the US elections, I should have clarified that now that I think about it.

But interesting response nonetheless!

 

[Lovely Lane]

I suppose I meant the US elections, I should have clarified that now that I think about it.

But interesting response nonetheless!

oh, I now see what you mean, yes, it has been a GOP talking point. I remember the same type of speech in 2008 from the GOP. Recalling that H. Clinton didn't think Obama has what it takes concerning Iran, then after Convention, McCain made many attempts to discredit Obama concerning Iran.

And here we are today, replay of 2008 rhetoric. After nearly 3.5 years we have not been to war with Iran and Iran doesn't have warhead nor a missile to launch it.
My opinion is that after hiring H. Clinton as Sec of State, communication to all Heads of State concerning policy with Iran is clear. As Obama once said, "Strong countries and strong presidents talk to their adversaries". As soon as Ahmidinejad (or his replacement), act like professionals, having a serious agenda for peace, Obama Administration through Sec. Of State office, will listen. my opinion.

 

[God's Fighter]

My comments were aimed at the incumbent. It would be a GOP talking point because they are going to talk about current events regarding their potential presidency. But Obama has been the president the last 3 years so.

 

[WinBySurrender]

oh, I now see what you mean, yes, it has been a GOP talking point. I remember the same type of speech in 2008 from the GOP. Recalling that H. Clinton didn't think Obama has what it takes concerning Iran, then after Convention, McCain made many attempts to discredit Obama concerning Iran.

Did you see the discomfort on the Empty Suit's face when Netanyahu was reminding him that "you are us and we are you" -- meaning historically the US and Israel have stood against the extremism of the Arab-Aryan Muslim-influence in the region? Empty Suit looked like he wanted to reach out and strangle the Prime Minister. And yet Empty Suit just a few minutes before had reaffirmed that "nothing is off the table" in keeping Iran from going nuclear. I believe we saw the conflict within him of having to say what he should as president, versus how he really feels, which is to say he wants Israel to disappear off the face of the earth just like the terrorists do. It didn't play well on any of the evening news programs.

 

[Zaac]

oh, I now see what you mean, yes, it has been a GOP talking point. I remember the same type of speech in 2008 from the GOP. Recalling that H. Clinton didn't think Obama has what it takes concerning Iran, then after Convention, McCain made many attempts to discredit Obama concerning Iran.

And here we are today, replay of 2008 rhetoric. After nearly 3.5 years we have not been to war with Iran and Iran doesn't have warhead nor a missile to launch it.
My opinion is that after hiring H. Clinton as Sec of State, communication to all Heads of State concerning policy with Iran is clear. As Obama once said, "Strong countries and strong presidents talk to their adversaries". As soon as Ahmidinejad (or his replacement), act like professionals, having a serious agenda for peace, Obama Administration through Sec. Of State office, will listen. my opinion.

Strong countries and strong Presidents take action when action is needed. The incumbent in the White House has severely weakened the country.

But ya'll do realize that Israel will be bombing Iran no matter what Obama says? It's inevitable and it will happen soon.

We are in the last days and things must play out this way.

 

[Lovely Lane]

Did you see the discomfort on the Empty Suit's face when Netanyahu was reminding him that "you are us and we are you" -- meaning historically the US and Israel have stood against the extremism of the Arab-Aryan Muslim-influence in the region?

No, what I saw was Israel Head of State pull a cheap move to embarrass our president. In saying something on camera after speaking for hours in private hashing out positions. That was a move that the GOP pulls every day. The Jews want USA to do their dirty work, no diplomacy, just bomb bomb bomb. I'm so glad that McCain is not president.

Empty Suit looked like he wanted to reach out and strangle the Prime Minister. And yet Empty Suit just a few minutes before had reaffirmed that "nothing is off the table" in keeping Iran from going nuclear.

Sure, I'd be surprised too, after in private conversation with Jew Head of State, he goes and plays a ploy like that. Options;Israel can go ask Putin for help, give diplomacy a chance after Iran elections.

I believe we saw the conflict within him of having to say what he should as president, versus how he really feels, which is to say he wants Israel to disappear off the face of the earth just like the terrorists do. It didn't play well on any of the evening news programs.

How he really feels is to keep USA out of war. That is what he should do. Israel needs to take care of itself, it has always been a Welfare State, USA funding and fighting for them. I think your prejudice is showing, how do you come to the idea of Obama wanting Israel to disappear off the face of the earth?(how he really feels) That is something a brainwashed GOP high school student would say.

 

[Zaac]

What is it about liberal Christians that does not allow them to grasp that the country should unequivocally be standing with Israel?

 

[Lovely Lane]

What is it about the right-wing that does not allow them to grasp that the country should unequivocally be standing for peace, tolerance, compassion, love. You know, the things that Jesus taught.

Today's Israel's only relation to scripture is it's name. This Israel State is no better or worst than that of Palestine, or any other.

P.S.
Furthermore... the idea that liberal Christians are the only humans who feel not to partnership with Israel to war against Iran is bogus; not genuine. Empty rhetoric by many GOP Empty Suits and followers. Just look at the millions of fans of Ron Paul who agree with Paul's policy. These Ron Paul supporters are made up of conservative Christians and others, who refuse to war on Iran.

 

[Zaac]

What is it about the right-wing that does not allow them to grasp that the country should unequivocally be standing for peace, tolerance, compassion, love. You know, the things that Jesus taught.

Yes what is about liberals that does not allow them to read God's word and know that peace will come to the Middle East when Jesus Christ comes back to bring it?

What is it about liberals that they can't read God's word and see where God has in the past directed Israel to destroy her enemies?

So yes peace, tolerance, compassion and love. All things that Jesus taught. But Jesus also taught that He has a Holy wrath and righteous anger. The word of this same Jesus says there is a time for war and a time for peace. This very same word of God says

I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.

in reference to Israel.

Yet liberals can't seem to look at history and see how again and again this has remained true.

Today's Israel's only relation to scripture is it's name.

There's liberal thinking for you again. Let's just throw out Scripture and make the truth into what liberals want it to be.

This Israel State is no better or worst than that of Palestine, or any other.

Umm that sounds just like this myth of a Palestinian state that liberals like to push. But I've got news for the errant thinking liberals on this board and throughout the world.There is no such a thing as a Palestinian people, or a Palestinian culture, or a Palestinian language, or a Palestinian history. There has never been any Palestinian state, neither any Palestinian archaeological finds because they are not a culture. The present-day "Palestinians" are an Arab people, with Arab culture, Arabic language and Arab history. They have their own Arab states from where they came into the Land of Israel. That is the historical truth. They were Jordanians.

P.S.
Furthermore... the idea that liberal Christians are the only humans who feel not to partnership with Israel to war against Iran is bogus; not genuine. Empty rhetoric by many GOP Empty Suits and followers. Just look at the millions of fans of Ron Paul who agree with Paul's policy. These Ron Paul supporters are made up of conservative Christians and others, who refuse to war on Iran.

Ron Paul is a nutt just like a lot of liberals. Anybody who goes against what God's word says is a nutt.

But that's why liberals are liberals. They intellectually think they know better than God and so they twist and turn and reinterpret Scripture to fashion the god they want to be their god.

 

[tulc]

What is it about liberal Christians that does not allow them to grasp that the country should unequivocally be standing with Israel?

Probably because they love America and American lives more then some other country.
tulc(thinks the question that should be asked is: why do some conservatives love some other country more then their own?)

 

[Zaac]

Probably because they love America and American lives more then some other country.
tulc(thinks the question that should be asked is: why do some conservatives love some other country more then their own?)

Sounds like idolatry. You know that thing whereby people put other things before God and obedience to Him?

And as I've said time and time before, liberals need to stop thinking they are doing God a favor by trying to appear as "peaceful, tolerant, compassionate and loving" all the while setting up their disobedience as an idol that they have placed ahead of their obedience to God.

 

[tulc]

Sounds like idolatry. You know that thing whereby people put other things before God and obedience to Him?

...seriously, do you just turn off your Irony meter before you post this stuff or did you just stop buying them because the shrapnel was too much to deal with any more?

And as I've said time and time before, liberals need to stop thinking they are doing God a favor by trying to appear as "peaceful, tolerant, compassionate and loving" all the while setting up their disobedience as an idol that they have placed ahead of their obedience to God.

So...NOT doing anything/everything Israel wants (no matter what's good for America or for American lives) is disobeying God? Doesn't that sort of make Israel God?
Please tell me again which position is idolatry and which one isn't?
tulc(after he turns off his irony meters please!)

 

[Lovely Lane]

Ohhhh! that's so funny!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_PalestineSeems to me Palestine was there before Judea, centuries before 1948 Israel.

 

[Zaac]

...seriously, do you just turn off your Irony meter before you post this stuff or did you just stop buying them because the shrapnel was too much to deal with any more?

The confused look is very becoming on you.

So...NOT doing anything/everything Israel wants (no matter what's good for America or for American lives) is disobeying God? Doesn't that sort of make Israel God?

Who said anything about doing what Israel wants? Israel can protect herself and will. Christians and the United States will do well to support Israel in whatever she does to protect herself or God will do exactly what He said He will.

Please tell me again which position is idolatry and which one isn't?
tulc(after he turns off his irony meters please!)

Liberals are generally confused.

 

[Zaac]

Ohhhh! that's so funny!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_PalestineSeems to me Palestine was there before Judea, centuries before 1948 Israel.

That's a link to nothing which is about to what all this talk of a Palestine amounts.

1948 Israel? God gave Israel to His chosen people long before 1948.