Iran - where is this going?

[Daywolf]

Touching on this briefly, I think there will be a diplomatic pause maybe for at least a year. Keep an eye on Africa and Syria and their interest in this. Russia is making a play for the emerging alliance by show of it currently arming Iran (Persia) with state-of-the-art anti-aircraft batteries further galvanizing its military ties with powers in the region. We’ll also see Germany moving their hand into the alliance while China will probably use their UN vote in agreement of the forming alliance but make no military commitments. At some point the US will back down for some reason (maybe after a non-effective precision strike short of nuclear bunker-busters resulting in terrorist retaliation? or just because of internal political strife lead by the Marxists *cough*) and then they will turn their attention towards Israel and move when they are ready which will set off some real fireworks (but not Armageddon, yet). No, God didn’t “tell” me, he likes it when I figure things out.

 

[Harlan Norris]

Any predictions on the Iran situation? Ahmadinejad is quite the nut in the right place for a hungry squirrel.

How do you guys think this is going to go? Iran gets attacked? Attacks? Shuts down their oil? UN sanctions?

Any way you slice this, its not looking good.

OU

Well, I'm no prophet. But it doesn't take a prophet to see that we don't have the resorces to go into Iran and do what we did in Irac. We didn't have the resorces for Irac.So, what are our choices? Well,we can shut up or we can nuke em.Of course everyone knows in their heart that if one nuke goes off in anger they all do.I'm afraid our foreign policy is impotent if we don't do the most irrational thing ever done in history.Evil times,that's what we are in.Evil times.

 

[OhhJim]

It's been almost 4 months since the original post. Has the situation changed any? I doubt anything will change over the next four months, either.

 

[interpreter]

Are we seeing the coming together of the Kings of the East? China, Iran, Iraq and possibly North Korea, but I don't see them getting involved while the present dictator is alive, too insular. And Russia is the lynch-pin maybe? Interesting times. My opinion is that whatever crisis is building up will come to a nasty head before the AC shows up, and might even usher him into the political arena. Thank God for God!

I agree with you vanilla8 about Iran. Iran's president is evidently one of the demon possessed "kings" east of the Euphrates who start the battle of Ar Mageddon.

And the Euphrates recently dried up, so get ready folks. (See Rev. 16:12-16)

Moscow and Peking and North Korea's capital are also east of the Euphrates.

Barry

 

[zaire]

I wouldnt say Moscow is East, its directly North.

 

[OttawaUk]

I agree with you vanilla8 about Iran. Iran's president is evidently one of the demon possessed "kings" east of the Euphrates who start the battle of Ar Mageddon.

And the Euphrates recently dried up, so get ready folks. (See Rev. 16:12-16)

Moscow and Peking and North Korea's capital are also east of the Euphrates.

Barry

The battle of Armageddon is after the Beast's rule. There is no Beast that has control over the whole world and no False Prophet who forces everyone to take his mark, worship his image etc. Without that, there is no real battle of Armageddon. When prophecy starts to fall in place, then that makes sense.

OU

 

[faithful one]

Iran's president is obsessed with the end times, always discussing how he is somehow chosen to usher in the end of the world scenario that will bring back their messaiah, which is the 12th Imam, or the Mahdi.

This new messiah is prophesied in the muslim world to return at the end of catastrophic events that will unfold on earth.

From a Christian perspective this is rather interesting.

Who will their "messiah" be?

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Definitely, Iran's Pres. is anti-christ; in other words, of the antichrist spirit.

Concerning Islam's coming Messiah: this situation is exactly that of which Jesus warned when he said;

"Many shall come in my name, saying I am Christ(Messiah) and deceive many". (Matt.24:5)

Certainly Satan is an imposter and wants to imitate that which was done by Jesus Himself. He has nothing original; all he can do is copy the real thing and hope to destroy as many as possible with deception.

In my opinion; Seeing how almost the entire Muslim population has been indoctrinated and have given themselves over entirely to error and deception, it may even be possible that the antichrist (or at least the false prophet) will arise from Iran. If I were Satan that would be my first choice, seeing that almost the entire population has ALREADY followed falsehood.

Faithful One

 

[faithful one]

This is an interesting note I found on a well known escatology scholars website that might put the going on in Iran in a new perspective:

" According to the Shiite branch of the Islamic religion the 12th Imam disappeared as a child in A.D. 941.
Most Shiites believe he has been supernaturally preserved somewhere in the Middle East , either in Saudi Arabia or Iraq , and will re-emerge at the end of days.
They contend that he will unite the Islamic world in the end of days, and three things will happen:
He will lead an Islamic revival in which the Jews will be destroyed.

• Christians will forsake their belief in the Trinity.
• And Christians will acknowledge that Jesus is not the Son of God.

Bringing Back the Mahdi
Currently leading this revival of interest in the Mahdi is the new president of Iran , Mahmoud Ahamdinejad. This fanatical Muslim leader sees himself on a mission from Allah to “pave the path for the glorious reappearance of the Imam Mahdi.”
He is telling people in Iran to prepare for the coming of the Mahdi by turning Iran into a mighty, advanced Islamic society, and by avoiding the corruption and excesses of the West.
Ahamdinejad has restored the concept of the Hidden Imam as the central truth of Iran ’s political, cultural, economic and social life. He emphasizes the theme that the return of the Shiite messiah, the Mahdi, is not far off and Muslims must prepare for it!
The most disturbing rhetoric is his obsession with nuclear arms. The intelligence community is certain the Iranians want nuclear weapons, and would use them against Israel and the United states the moment they know they can.

This pre-occupation with the Mahdi has the West concerned that a nuclear-armed Islamic republic could trigger a global nuclear conflict if they think it will help bring about the Islamic expectations of the end of the world!
The Mahdi is expected by some traditions to lead a war between the East and the West, in which the West will be defeated and the East will rise under the leadership of this Islamic savior.
Ahamadinejad claims he has secretly met with the future Mahdi. Sources in Iran say that he has written and signed a pact with the Hidden Imam and has asked all his officials to do so. He also claims that the Mahdi told him in a dream to destroy Israel and make plans to attack America .
The most stunning statement was when those closest to the new president say they expect the Mahdi to appear within the next two years! "
From Perry Stone's website

Could the antichrist be alive and well in the middle east and rise to power in the next two years? Will be interesting to watch how the next two years unfold won't it.

Thanks for the post, FreetoLive;

I think this gives a great perspective of the mind of all Islamics:

1.Indoctrinated from birth to deny the Diety of Christ.
2.Swear to serve the only God... Allah (the antichrist)
3. Substitute the 'Mahdi' as the new Messiah;

What else could Satan hope for....
Where else could he find refuge on planet earth?

Faithful One

 

[OttawaUk]

Interesting.

Notice how Revelation 13 explains that the Beast which comes with the False Prophet.

Think about how this could possibly compare to what was said above.

False Prophet = False Jesus who denies Father/Son and performs miracles.

Beast = Antichrist = Mahdi

OU

 

[interpreter]

The battle of Armageddon is after the Beast's rule. There is no Beast that has control over the whole world and no False Prophet who forces everyone to take his mark, worship his image etc. Without that, there is no real battle of Armageddon. When prophecy starts to fall in place, then that makes sense.

OU

I hold the historicist view, that the 8th head of the beast has already come and gone, and the 7 last plagues are now unfolding -- including the battle of Ar Mageddon.
IMO, Hitler's Third Reich is the third six of the 666 trilogy, that is, the third reign of the Roman Empire with the Roman Empire of John's day being the original head # 6.

Because the Euphrates has already dried up (a 50 mile stretch in Iraq dried up by Hussein), that means the 666 antiChrist has already come and gone.
The current war in Iraq, where it dried up, prepares the way for the Battle of Ar Mageddon. Think about it. Because our troops are tied up in Iraq, Iran's president thinks he can get away with making nuclear weapons to attack Israel without military intervention from the US.

Barry

 

[applepowerpc]

Everyone points to Iran as part of the Beast. Little do we realize, WE are part of the Beast. The U.S.. Iran is not on board with it. That's why we're talking about invading them, on the pretext of "nuclear weapons" (although it's not entirely pretextual--if Iran did get nuclear weapons, they would be a real threat to the New World Order).

 

[interpreter]

Everyone points to Iran as part of the Beast. Little do we realize, WE are part of the Beast. The U.S.. Iran is not on board with it. That's why we're talking about invading them, on the pretext of "nuclear weapons" (although it's not entirely pretextual--if Iran did get nuclear weapons, they would be a real threat to the New World Order).

The US is the 4th horseman. Iran's president is one of the demon possesed kings east of the Euphrates. He is possessed with the spirit of Hitler.

 

[brother daniel]

The US is the 4th horseman. Iran's president is one of the demon possesed kings east of the Euphrates. He is possessed with the spirit of Hitler.

Iran is Persia and one of the Armies of of TYRUS the MERCHANT admerial of the Canaaninite seven headed beast. See Ezekiel 27:1-36

The men of Persia and Lud and of Phut are in thy army, thy men of war: They hanged the shield and Helmet in thee; they set forth thy comeliness.

IRAN, PERSIA earns fifty to seventy million dollars a day selling oil for American dollars at todays prices.

Iran is also one of the armies of GOG the land of Magog.
RUSSIA.
Ezekiel 38:5
Persia, Etheopia, and libya with them; all with shield and helmet.

Isaiah 13: 9
Behold, the day of the Lord cometh,cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolite and he shall destroy the sinners therof out of it.
verse 1 they shall not delight in it.7
Behold I will stir up the Medes,IRAN,against them, which shall not regard silver and as for Gold.

THEM is Europe and America, the children of Babylon.
REPENT and do what Jesus says. Labor to enter into the KINGDOM OF GOD.

 

[OttawaUk]

Everyone points to Iran as part of the Beast. Little do we realize, WE are part of the Beast. The U.S.. Iran is not on board with it. That's why we're talking about invading them, on the pretext of "nuclear weapons" (although it's not entirely pretextual--if Iran did get nuclear weapons, they would be a real threat to the New World Order).

I agree.

Revelation 13 clearly shows a Beast system of world government (given power over all nations), Beast world currency (mark to buy and sell) and Beast world religion (all worship the Beast minus those in the Book of the Lamb) corresponding to signs and wonders being done by the False Prophet.

Clearly, this has not happened yet.

OU

 

[brother daniel]

I agree.

Revelation 13 clearly shows a Beast system of world government (given power over all nations), Beast world currency (mark to buy and sell) and Beast world religion (all worship the Beast minus those in the Book of the Lamb) corresponding to signs and wonders being done by the False Prophet.

Clearly, this has not happened yet.

OU

The BEAST syndicate of privite world banking has power over all nations. Every government owes the 7 headed BEAST. Here are the seven merchant heads, EGYPT, ISRAEL, IRAQ (BABYLON), IRAN (PERSIA), GREECE, ROME, and the UNITED STATES
Iran, PERSIA, earns fifty to seventy million US dollars every day from oil it sells.
The Bird Flu seemss to be a device launched by the BEAST Syndicate to profit from biological warfare and put money checks and paper mail out of business.
Reason being, the flu is transfered by persons touching infected surfaces and touching nose or mouth.

After that fear every unbeliver will be glad to take the electronic Mark of the Beast to buy and sell anything and everything.


Writes Dr. Joseph Mercola, author of the "Total Health Program."
"President Bush sought to instill panic in this country by telling us a minimum of 200,000 people will die from the avian flu pandemic but it could be as bad as 2 million deaths in this country alone."
http://mercola.com/blog/2005/oct/19/rumsfeld_to_profit_from_avian_flu_hoax
"This hoax is then used to justify the immediate purchase of 80 million doses of Tamiflu, a worthless drug that in no way shape or form treats the avian flu, but only decreases the amount of days one is sick and can actually contribute to the virus having more lethal mutations," Mercola continues.
"So the U.S. placed an order for 20 million doses of this worthless drug at a price of $100 per dose. That comes to a staggering $2 billion.
US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, former chairman of Gilead, the manufacturer of Tamiflu, will also make big profits, since he is a major shareholder.
Then theres IBM and its interest
INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS MACHINE
THE JOURNAL NEWS
June 7, 2006)
IBM said yesterday that it will examine clients' computer systems, supply chain, buildings and other operations in order to ensure they can continue during a possible pandemic.
Larger corporations would pay $50,000 to $150,000 for the service, which IBM calls its contingency planning assessment. The company said the service will be available later this month.
The company believes every industry could be affected, but banking, health care and those that rely on transportation face the greatest risk, he said.
He said the consultants IBM has available to deploy have both business and information technology experience.
The potential market for the service could be "in the billions" of dollars, Cocchiara said.
The US and Iran are two heads of the same BEAST.
Thing of it as championship wrestling all the actors work the same devil.
Jesus has warned us. Sell what you have, give to the poor and follow him.

 

[Prophecy Countdown]

Any predictions on the Iran situation? Ahmadinejad is quite the nut in the right place for a hungry squirrel.

How do you guys think this is going to go? Iran gets attacked? Attacks? Shuts down their oil? UN sanctions?

Any way you slice this, its not looking good.

OU

I want to know why the lion loses his eagles wings In Daniel 7 ?
Is the lion Great Britain?
Are the wings that of the United States of America?
What will shortly happen to the Western ‘alliance?’
Will it change?
I believe that Daniel 8 is a progression of how the LION loses his eagles wings.

I realise that some of you hold that in verse 5 of Daniel, chapter 8 ‘the rough goat is Greece’ under Alexander the great who defeated the Medo/Persian empire.
However we are told by Gabriel, that ‘the vision concerns the time of the end.’
So who is the rough goat ‘Yavan?’
From ‘THE EVERY DAY Bible Dictionary.’
Grecian. “Gre’cian, The term Grecian, Hellenist, denotes a Jew by birth or religion who spoke Greek. It is used chiefly of foreign Jews and proselytes in contrast with the Hebrews speaking the vernacular Hebrew or Aramaean. Greeks was the TERM USED FOR NON-JEWISH PEOPLE.”

‘THE EVERY DAY Bible Dictionary.’(formerly published as Peloubet’s Bible Dictionary) Copyright 1947 by Holt, Rinehart and Winston, IncCcopyright 1925, 1913 by Holt, Rinehart and Winston1967., Inc.
Copyright 1971by Zondervan Publishing House. Assigned to Zondervan Publishing House, Grand rapids Michigan,

GREECE, GREEKS, GRE´CIANS.
The histories of Greece and Palestine are little connected with each other. In Gen. 10:2-5 Moses mentions the descendants of JAVAN as PEOPLING THE ISLES OF THE GENTILES; and when the Hebrews came into contact with the Ionians of Asia Minor, and recognized them as the long-lost islanders OF THE WESTERN MIGRATION, it was natural that they should mark the similarity of sound between JAVAN and Iones. Accordingly the Old Testament word which is GRECIA in Authorized Version GREECE, GREECS, etc., IS IN HEBREW JAVAN Dan. 8:21;
William Smith; revised and edited by F.N. and M.A. Peloubet, Smith’s Bible dictionary [computer file], electronic ed., Logos Library System, (Nashville: Thomas Nelson) 1997.


“Greeks was a term used for non-Jewish peoples., meaning Gentile nations,” “A Westerner would fit the above description.”
”Bible translators have incorrectly translated the word ‘yavan’ from Aramaic, to represent, ‘Greeks’ yet it refers to the words Gentile nations.”
“The word ‘Grecia,’ translated from ‘yavan’ from Aramaic can mean Westerner.”
Credit to “THE EVERYDAY BIBLE DICTIONARY.”

Also Alexander, being involved does not fit the geographical location laid down by the chezev/vision because Alexander, fought the Medo/Persians on the plains of Arbella, some 1000 miles from the Ulai river which is now named the ‘Karun, river’ located in Iran, which will become significant later in Daniel 8:
Also remembering the time factor of the vision by Gabriel, is made clear as being at the time of the end in verse 17, 18.
A set time for the vision.
Dan 8: 17. So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: FOR THE TIME OF THE END shall be THE VISION.
Dan 8: 19. And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in THE LAST END of the indignation: for AT THE TIME APPOINTED THE END shall be.
A set location.

Let’s just say the alliance is the LION/Great Britain, and the greatest power on Earth, and in the air, the United States of America as the EAGLE’S WINGS.
After all the rough goat does not touch the ground as he travels over the whole earth.
Could this be the vision in front of us happening before our very eyes and we aren’t seeing it?
We have the ram pushing North West and South with a real threat of a possible nuclear catastrophic result for Israel, and her supporters the West.
Could the ram be the Moslem religion?
Dan 8. 2. And I saw in a vision; and it came to pass, when I saw, that I was at SHUSHAN in the palace, which is in the province of ELAM; and I saw in a vision, and I WAS BY THE RIVER of ULAI.
Dan 8. 3. Then I lifted up mine eyes, and saw, and, behold, there stood BEFORE THE RIVER a RAM which had two horns: and the two horns were high; but one was higher than the other, and the higher came up last.
The vision of Daniel 8 is a cause and effect situation. The ram is pushing North, West, and South, and there will be a reaction by the rough goat/yavan, from the West.

The rough goat, will win the battle absolutely vanquishing the ram, according to the Bible, but it will be a pyrrhic victory, maybe resulting in a world wide economic depression.
In Daniel 8: verse 3 we are told that one horn the smaller comes up first.
Well the smaller is the Medo/Iraqis and the alliance has dealt with that leader but the next to come up is Persia/Iran the higher of the two horns and they are pushing the alliance to react.
The rest of it unfolding will be interesting to say the least.

 

[Prophecy Countdown]

Any predictions on the Iran situation? Ahmadinejad is quite the nut in the right place for a hungry squirrel.

How do you guys think this is going to go? Iran gets attacked? Attacks? Shuts down their oil? UN sanctions?

Any way you slice this, its not looking good.

OU

My last post was 53, what do I think regarding the question above?

Daniel 8: 7. And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand.
8. Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up FOUR NOTABLE ONES toward the four winds of heaven.

The four notable ones that come up after the horn/leader, is broken on the rough goat USA/Eagle’s wings and great Britain/Lion within the alliance as explained on earlier post.

They are mentioned in Daniel 7 from the lion, then the bear and leopard and the fourth beast most terrible.
(Daniel 7 is an overview which ends with the everlasting kingdom at verse 27 and 28 is THE END of the matter.)
They are the ‘four notable ones.’
The fourth beast will come up after the three, beasts in Dan 7: 1 to 5.
They will support him he has the mouth of the LION, the feet of the BEAR, the LEOPARDS body.

Rev 13: 2. “And THE BEAST which I saw was like unto a LEOPARD, and his feet were as the feet of a BEAR, and his mouth as the mouth of a LION: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.”
3. “And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
4. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5. And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue FORTY TWO MONTHS.
That is 3 ½ long years.
The beast will be slain in Daniel 7: 11.

In verse 11 the rest of the beasts that is the LION, BEAR, LEOPARD, are left for a short period after the fourth beast is killed when the 42 months is completed.

Dan 7: 11. “I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the BEAST WAS SLAIN, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

12. AS CONCERNING THE REST OF THE BEASTS, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.”


The LION, BEAR and LEOPARD, are around together waiting for a little while, above last verse, after the 4th beast with the mortal wound is killed.
The Lion, I believe is Great Britain.
The wings I believe represent the USA. The alliance.

The Lion is made to stand like a man after the loss of His wings. That will occur after the horn on the rough goat is broken, the alliance is made redundant and in the coming political vacuum, four including the lion rise up out of Yavan/Gentile nations, of Daniel 8: 5, eventually becoming part of the fourth beast power.

The bear, I believe is Russia.
The leopard I believe is China, but we will have to wait and see.
After the three beasts rise in Dan 7: 1 to 5, the fourth rises in Dan 7: 7. In Daniel 7: 11 the fourth beast is killed.

As for the other three? They are left for a short time in Daniel 7: 12.
The 1st beast with the mortal wound is so called because he comes up before the second beast/Satan, and it is Satan, who gives the beast with the mortal wound authority for 42 months in Revelation 13: 4.
The 'fourth beast' term is used to describe the same wounded beast because of his appearing after the lion, bear and leopard.

That’s what I think so far and I have left a lot out. I haven’t mentioned the stout horn yet, but I may do that later.

 

[inhisdebt]

Random speculation, While the stage for the final trib is clearly being set, it is too early to name names. wild guesses serve no purpose, watch, wait, pray!!!

 

[Prophecy Countdown]

Random speculation, While the stage for the final trib is clearly being set, it is too early to name names. wild guesses serve no purpose, watch, wait, pray!!!

Please answer these following questions with scripture, to prove your point.

Show me what you consider is based on ‘random speculation' in detail?

Also why do you think it’s too early to mention names?

Show me why you consider, quote that 'the stage for the final trib is clearly being set with your Bible?’


Also please show me where I made 'wild guesses?'

This will give me a chance to use the Bible to back my statements in detail.

By the way when I was told of these ideas, 29 years ago, I spent 29 years studying them in detail, and yes 29 years ago I was told the same things that you have suggested.
Well since then the GB/USA alliance has attacked Iraq ,the shorter horn on the ram, that comes up first.
What will you say after the USA/GB attack Iran, the higher horn on the same ram that comes up later in Dan 8?

What will you say when Russia rises to power as the bear?

I am willing to put my head on the chopping block with this and put up the biblical details.

Or maybe people will say 'it was a lucky guess' when Iraq, got attacked, twice by the same Western powers.

And yes I do quote 'watch, wait, pray!!!' But I don't stick my head in the sand or tell others to do the same. I ask GOD for the book of Daniel, to be opened as He, promised at this time because those pages are slowly turning.

 

[brother daniel]

Please answer these following questions with scripture, to prove your point.

Show me what you consider is based on ‘random speculation' in detail?

Also why do you think it’s too early to mention names?

Show me why you consider, quote that 'the stage for the final trib is clearly being set with your Bible?’


Also please show me where I made 'wild guesses?'

This will give me a chance to use the Bible to back my statements in detail.

By the way when I was told of these ideas, 29 years ago, I spent 29 years studying them in detail, and yes 29 years ago I was told the same things that you have suggested.
Well since then the GB/USA alliance has attacked Iraq ,the shorter horn on the ram, that comes up first.
What will you say after the USA/GB attack Iran, the higher horn on the same ram that comes up later in Dan 8?

What will you say when Russia rises to power as the bear?

I am willing to put my head on the chopping block with this and put up the biblical details.

Or maybe people will say 'it was a lucky guess' when Iraq, got attacked, twice by the same Western powers.

And yes I do quote 'watch, wait, pray!!!' But I don't stick my head in the sand or tell others to do the same. I ask GOD for the book of Daniel, to be opened as He, promised at this time because those pages are slowly turning.

THIS DAY ,​

Tuesday, June, 20th
Bush made it clear he would not budge. He said allowing Iran to enrich uranium, a process that can make nuclear fuel for a power plant or fissile material for an atomic bomb, would present a grave threat to the world.
"The United States has offered to come to the table with our partners and meet with Iran's representatives as soon as the Iranian regime fully and verifiably suspends its uranium enrichment and reprocessing activities," Bush said. "I have a message for the Iranian regime: America and our partners are united. We have presented a reasonable offer. Iran's leaders should see our proposal for what it is a historic opportunity to set their country on a better course."
On June 6, European Union, “foreign policy chief” Javier Solanapresented a package of rewards and possible penalties to Iran. The package was drawn up by the five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council the United States, Britain, China, France and Russia and Germany.
G. W. BUSH
"Now is the time for the world to come together, and make this world a free trading world, not only for the benefit of our own economies, but as an important part of the strategy to reduce poverty around the world," the president said.

"Reduce poverty around the world,"?
That sounds like a great idea.
With love in Christ
brother daniel