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Investigative Judgment
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Olikamay said:
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Tell Sassy I saw him first. LOL She can "object" at the wedding.
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Hi sassy
What about the rest of the world??? How will it be enacted through out the world???
And How do you believe it will enforced??
yours in Christ
deu 58
SassySDA said:
What about the rest of the world??? How will it be enacted through out the world???
And How do you believe it will enforced??
yours in Christ
deu 58
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deu58 said:
Hi deu,
as statrei pointed out, I missed part of your question, I apologize...
As for the rest of the world, I imagine it will be the same tactic,...FEAR. That is what usually works the best when governments want their citizenry to conform to something they want them to accept.
As in the U.S.A., the other countrys have plenty of law enforcement personnel, not to mention armed forces....ie, the National Guard. For those who've never been under that "jurisdiction", I'm here to tell you, they are quite affective. I lived in New York when the towers were hit. I saw them in action in New York City, and at both Kennedy and LaGuardia Airports. I think their presence was meant to calm everyone, but it had the opposite affect on me...I'm not used to a "police state", and that's what it looked and felt like to see guardsmen walking through the airport, or standing at the medal detectors with machine guns at the ready.
Enforcing it won't be difficult. Enacting it will be the tricky part, MUCH trickier.
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Not true. It has to be enforced in such a way that only part of the population is affected. How will that be done. And I agree that enacting it will be tricky. It won't be as easy as you see in in terms of the Patriot Act (you may not have mentioned it).SassySDA said:
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deu58 said:
No I don't think so, and even if it was, it would be nearly impossible to enforce.... police cannot catch all the speeders, burgulars, murderers, embezzlers, and/or terrorists, so you are suggesting that they will be able to enforce mandatory worship.....
Also other variables have not been considered, for example, there are places that have to run 24/7. Hospitals, that same police force, the armed services, utilities, etc... those will not stop functioning, and people will have to work to ensure no stoppage.....
The concept sounded good when there were a few adventists all located in New England... but that world has moved on. Adventists are all over the globe, people exist in different time zones... naw... not going to happen like that..... but that's just me....
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SassySDA said:Better not be....he drives a VETTE! And besides, I saw him first.
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Sorry good folks.... the vette only has two seats....and I already have two women who vie to rid shotgun.... my daughter who swears she is going to take the vette one day, and my wife who likes riding it right up to the point that she sees the speedometer click over to 100, then she wants me to slow down and let her out.....lol Of course my son wants to go faster... but I digress...
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StormyOne said:
The difference between violators of the Sunday Law and Speeders? The violaters of the Sunday Law, will be mainly found in one place on the Sabbath. At least in the beginning. Some will resort to worshipping in their home. I won't do that, I'm more like Daniel. The more they try to tell me I can't worship on Saturday, that's when you'll see me in the church window with lights blaring...
To do it any other way would be to show weakness, it would certainly not be considered standing up for God and what I believe in.
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On the money. I am waiting for someone to come out and say what they law would say. They have not because they cannot find any law that would make sense. Here is the problem. Since it is a Sunday law they cannot forbid you from going to church on Saturday; they would have to require you to go to church on Sunday. Let's see how that would work. Only Adventists go to church all day, at least they used to. So the law will be a burden on the people who are not accustomed to that and the Bible never said you cannot go to church on Sunday. A National Sunday Law won't work.StormyOne said:
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statrei said:
Correct, it would have to be a law that forbid worship on Saturday....think about revivals... we attend church nearly everyday when they are conducted... So you are right, worshipping 2 days a week is not a big deal. Not only that, many of us have jobs in which we are off Saturday and Sunday, unlike yrs ago when people actually had only one day off...
Like I said, it may have sounded doable 100 yrs ago, but that world no longer exists....
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deu58 said:
Deu and Sassy--perhaps this will help a bit.
Taken from the Great Controversy, pg. 588 (hard cover)
The line of distinction between professed Christians and
the ungodly is now hardly distinguishable. Church members
love what the world loves and are ready to join with
them, and Satan determines to unite them in one body and
thus strengthen his cause by sweeping all into the ranks of
spiritualism. Papists, who boast of miracles as a certain sign
of the true church, will be readily deceived by this wonder-working
power; and Protestants, having cast away the shield
of truth, will also be deluded. Papists, Protestants, and worldlings
will alike accept the form of godliness without the
power, and they will see in this union a grand movement
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for the conversion of the world and the ushering in of the
long-expected millennium.
Through spiritualism, Satan appears as a benefactor of
the race, healing the diseases of the people, and professing to
present a new and more exalted system of religious faith; but
at the same time he works as a destroyer. His temptations are
leading multitudes to ruin. Intemperance dethrones reason;
sensual indulgence, strife, and bloodshed follow. Satan
delights in war, for it excites the worst passions of the soul
and then sweeps into eternity its victims steeped in vice and
blood. It is his object to incite the nations to war against one
another, for he can thus divert the minds of the people from
the work of preparation to stand in the day of God.
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Through spiritualism, Satan appears as a benefactor of
the race, healing the diseases of the people, and professing to
present a new and more exalted system of religious faith; but
at the same time he works as a destroyer. His temptations are
leading multitudes to ruin. Intemperance dethrones reason;
sensual indulgence, strife, and bloodshed follow. Satan
delights in war, for it excites the worst passions of the soul
and then sweeps into eternity its victims steeped in vice and
blood. It is his object to incite the nations to war against one
another, for he can thus divert the minds of the people from
the work of preparation to stand in the day of God.
The dignitaries of church and state will unite to bribe,
persuade, or compel all classes to honor the Sunday. The lack of
divine authority will be supplied by oppressive enactments.
Political corruption is destroying love of justice and regard
for truth; and even in free America, rulers and legislators,
in order to secure public favor, will yield to the popular
demand for a law enforcing Sunday observance. Liberty
of conscience, which has cost so great a sacrifice, will no
longer be respected. In the soon-coming conflict we shall see
exemplified the prophet's words: "The dragon was wroth
with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant
of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and
have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Revelation 12:17.
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The same EGW advised that when those laws are passed we should hold services on Sunday. It is not a sin to go to church on Sunday or to stay home and watch TV. How will they enforce it?Olikamay said:
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Let's look at the other thing this belief does... it generates fear and paranoia.... those things should be absent when it comes to the things of God.... Daniel was not fearful, he knew God would be faithful to him....
The disciples were not fearful, nor did it cross their minds, they did what the Holy Spirit compelled them to do, and rested in the fact that God would be faithful in His promises to them....
We sometimes preach fear... why?
The disciples were not fearful, nor did it cross their minds, they did what the Holy Spirit compelled them to do, and rested in the fact that God would be faithful in His promises to them....
We sometimes preach fear... why?
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You need to remember that in Eden the devil did not bring something new to Eve. He used something God had made. He is the master at taking what God has made and getting us to mess it up. In that way we deceive ourselves into thinking that we are doing just what God wants, and we don't take time to look behind the curtain.StormyOne said:
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