Investigative Judgement is it really in the scripture?

[OntheDL]

Here is a compersive view of the issues involved..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investigative_judgment

One should know wikipedia has a catholic bias. And it's a secular work, not meant for biblical scholarship.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

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ne should know wikipedia has a catholic bias. And it's a secular work, not meant for biblical scholarship

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where did you get that. did you read the article? it is really good it take a netural postion and just reports the facts. It is an encyclopedia you know. It sound like paranoia. find a part that is inaccurate and point it out, don't prejudice the people before they read it. It is well done and very accurate. their crediblity is at stake.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

the cathoclics are coming, the catholics are coming, the catholics are coming. 1 is by land 2 if by sea. the catholics are coming

 

[OntheDL]

where did you get that. did you read the article? it is really good it take a netural postion and just reports the facts. It is an encyclopedia you know. It sound like paranoia. find a part that is inaccurate and point it out, don't prejudice the people before they read it. It is well done and very accurate. their crediblity is at stake.

Actually I read it and have seen their comments on other so-called 'anti-catholic' doctrines. They are biased which is fine until someone uses it for biblical accuracy.

It's inaccurate from the beginning with Ford's case.

Call it paranoia. I'm sure that was what they said when they scuffed at Noah until the water came and took them away.

 

[OntheDL]

“Our world is on the verge of the greatest confrontation in History. Millions of Americans do not yet realise this, and millions of Christians as well.” --Malachi Martin

“The individual coming face to face with such conspiracy cannot believe that it exists.” --J Edgar Hoover

 

[Adventist Dissident]

It's inaccurate from the beginning with Ford's case.

specifics please. I can verify weather it is accurate or not all I have to do is email dr bill shea and Dr beatrice Neall, they were both there and wrote books on the subject. In fact i am in contact with Dr Mr and Mrs Neal as we speak. They were both teacher and friends of mine.

So go ahead and point out the problem areas. i will varify them.

 

[freeindeed2]

i have been studying and thinkin, some time sthat is a dangerous thing. i have been asking question about this doctrine. For those of you who don't know it let me review it for just a second.

SDA teachinge is as follows:


That upon assencion to heaven Jesus began ministry in the Holy place of the Heavenly Sanctuary. He ministered there until the end of the 2300 day prophecy, which ended on oct 22 1844, at which time Jesus moved into the Most Holy Place and began rewiewing the records of all the saints from all time and at some point he will judge those who are living. (This teaching has under gone revision, it used to be thought that in 1844 the door of mercy was shut, this is commonly called the "shut door" theroy." The current belief is a s stated above.)

My question is not so much on teaching it self, but rather on the Historical Evedience and The Theological evidence found in the scripture to support it.


fore example, If one wanted a Historical example of a group of people that Kept sabbath in apostolics all one has to do is look at the Armenian Orthodox Chruch and The Coptic chruch of Ethopia. They both have Apostolic roots and keep the sabbath. There is an UNBROKEN CHAIN of history. that is reality. We are not the only one to believe this and we are not the first.

Theologically you can point to Christ and the Apostles teaching and practice and John the Revelator's vision of the 1st angle referein to Creation and whorship the creator of which the Sabbath is a Memoral of the Reality of Creation.

Can the same be said for the investigative Judgement. If so where? Who else is teaching this or are we the only ones? What are the texts that prove such a thing as the investigative Judgement exists and what is the support for the date 1844 as the start of the It.

From History

From Scripture

What we are looking for is 3 things?

A. God revieweing the records/books for the names and deeds of the saints.
B. God making a determination before the his return
C. God Judging on the sainds , NOT on the wicked

If it is such a Biblical doctrine, then why has no other group come up with it and accepted it into their theological framework? Why hasn't the Holy Spirit moved other Christians to accept the SDA Investigative Judgment Doctrine (I'm not talking about the few who leave their Christian churches to join SDA churches)? They have all uniformly rejected it as unBiblical. Why is this?

 

[Adventist Dissident]

If it is such a Biblical doctrine, then why has no other group come up with it and accepted it into their theological framework? Why hasn't the Holy Spirit moved other Christians to accept the SDA Investigative Judgment Doctrine (I'm not talking about the few who leave their Christian churches to join SDA churches)? They have all uniformly rejected it as unBiblical. Why is this?

good question. is there any one else that teaches this? I will accept jewish sources

 

[Sophia7]

No, no other church teaches the IJ doctrine.

On the subject of Wikipedia, it is not a regular encyclopedia. Anyone can edit it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Introduction

For this reason, it is definitely not good for serious scholarship. I use it just to get a brief overview of certain topics. Any article there could be biased in favor of those who wrote and edited it. It doesn't have a Catholic bias--unless everyone who contributed is Catholic, which is highly unlikely. Perhaps those who think the articles on Adventist subjects are biased should edit them to correct the errors.

 

[OntheDL]

Any article there could be biased in favor of those who wrote and edited it. It doesn't have a Catholic bias--unless everyone who contributed is Catholic, which is highly unlikely.

...and all the world wondered after the beast.