Invalid Arguments

[OldWiseGuy]

People who say that are either unacquainted with the inner workings of science or unacquainted with the evidence for evolution.

It's those "inner workings" that are troublesome, and very mysterious.

 

[pitabread]

It's those "inner workings" that are troublesome, and very mysterious.

Not really. Anyone can learn this stuff. Most choose not to.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Not really. Anyone can learn this stuff. Most choose not to.

Most who believe it choose not to learn it as well, but just accept it as true.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I really like your approach, it's rather refreshing. Can you recommend any further reading on analogous thinking?

Jonathan Cahn's book on The Paradigm is good for helping to understand an analogy.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Most who believe it choose not to learn it as well, but just accept it as true.

I actually am taking college courses relevant to evolution, and freely share that knowledge with anyone that wants it. I even dedicated an entire thread to evolution lessons, once.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Most who believe it choose not to learn it as well, but just accept it as true.

Some of us get in on the discussion and so we have some control over the direction popular opinion will go.

 

[pitabread]

Most who believe it choose not to learn it as well, but just accept it as true.

In my experience, the educational background of individuals on these subjects is strongly tilted in favor of the pro-science side.

And this is even reinforced based on statistics of different beliefs.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

In my experience, the educational background of individuals on these subjects is strongly tilted in favor of the pro-science side.

And this is even reinforced based on statistics of different beliefs.

I believe this is true even though those with higher degrees may not have taken any courses specifically related to evolution. In a liberal environment one usually becomes more liberal (which is actually a case for evolution).

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Some of us get in on the discussion and so we have some control over the direction popular opinion will go.

I have been unable to get my incredulity into the discussion.

 

[tas8831]

Doesn't science say that dogs didn't come from wolves and that they appeared 'suddenly', along with man?

No, it does not.

Move along.

 

[tas8831]

It's those "inner workings" that are troublesome, and very mysterious.

Only to those that do not understand science.

 

[tas8831]

I have been unable to get my incredulity into the discussion.

Probably because it is foundationless and hackneyed.

 

[tas8831]

I actually am taking college courses relevant to evolution, and freely share that knowledge with anyone that wants it. I even dedicated an entire thread to evolution lessons, once.

I'm sure they were totally educational.

Which classes are you taking?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No, it does not.

Move along.

According to most research the origin of dogs, and their connection to wolves, remains uncertain. The only thing certain is that both are canids.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Probably because it is foundationless and hackneyed.

I don't think you can get from there (the earliest life form) to here (complex life forms) by any 'natural' process, thus my incredulity.

 

[joshua 1 9]

According to most research the origin of dogs, and their connection to wolves, remains uncertain. The only thing certain is that both are canids.

The domestication of hunting dogs goes back further than the domestication of most other animals including herding dogs.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I don't think you can get from there (the earliest life form) to here (complex life forms) by any 'natural' process, thus my incredulity.

The process is what they call the selfish gene. It is really just a lot of speculation with very little if anything to substantiate their theory. Even Francis Collins who calls DNA the language of God still refers to the mutation theory of evolution being a driving force. Does he think that God studders?

Of course there are mutations. We know that this world is in a fallen condition and in need of redemption and restoration.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

The process is what they call the selfish gene. It is really just a lot of speculation with very little if anything to substantiate their theory. Even Francis Collins who calls DNA the language of God still refers to the mutation theory of evolution being a driving force. Does he think that God studders?

Of course there are mutations. We know that this world is in a fallen condition and in need of redemption and restoration.

One problem I have with it is that the process of change itself must be present first in order for anything to change. Natural selection cannot 'select' unless there is something to select from. Another is the growth process, which involves billions of minute changes throughout the entire organism, each of which must evolve successfully and in harmony with all the rest. How is that even possible? The mind boggles.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I'm sure they were totally educational.

Which classes are you taking?

Right now I am taking cell biology, microbiology, and biochemistry.

 

[tas8831]

According to most research the origin of dogs, and their connection to wolves, remains uncertain. The only thing certain is that both are canids.

And I note that you do not refer to or link to or cite this research.

https://asu.pure.elsevier.com/en/pu...ds suggest a European origin of domestic dogs

Abstract
The geographic and temporal origins of the domestic dog remain controversial, as genetic data suggest a domestication process in East Asia beginning 15,000 years ago, whereas the oldest doglike fossils are found in Europe and Siberia and date to >30,000 years ago. We analyzed the mitochondrial genomes of 18 prehistoric canids from Eurasia and the New World, along with a comprehensive panel of modern dogs and wolves. The mitochondrial genomes of all modern dogs are phylogenetically most closely related to either ancient or modern canids of Europe. Molecular dating suggests an onset of domestication there 18,800 to 32,100 years ago. These findings imply that domestic dogs are the culmination of a process that initiated with European hunter-gatherers and the canids with whom they interacted.