interracial relationship?

[Shane Roach]

Also, the way I understand it, there was no concept of "race" like we have in ancient cultures. The color of a persons skin was completely irrelevant.

Oh race and nationality were indeed understood. It's just that Jews were instructed to treat all outsiders equally. The only marriage restraints that I'm aware of was not mixing with the Canaanites, and that was because of their idolatry, and the idea that an idolatrous spouse could corrupt the belief and behavior of their Jewish counterpart. Had nothing to do with race.

 

[Blackguard_]

why are you arguing about genetics ? Even if blackgaurd was right about what he was saying about genetics it wouldnt matter .

I don't need genetics to support my view anyways. This discussion about recessive genes is almost irrelevent to whether race mixing is OK as I would think race mixing was wrong if 99% of the world was white and 1% Black and so the disappearence/extreme decline of recessive white traits would not be a problem.

Because no one cares .

So?

 

[slayer-2004]

as I would think race mixing was wrong if 99% of the world was white and 1% Black

why ?

 

[Blackguard_]

as I would think race mixing was wrong if 99% of the world was white and 1% Black

Because I believe God created the races and intended them to be preserved. That a race could be absorbed into a much larger race without signifigantly effecting the larger race's gene pool does not mean it should be destroyed

 

[slayer-2004]

Because I believe God created the races and intended them to be preserved. That a race could be absorbed into a much larger race without signifigantly effecting the larger race's gene pool does not mean it should be destroyed

Feel the power of ctrl-c and ctrl-v !


Did you ever stop to think God might have made differant races in order to allow us to see the beauty in individuality rather then have us all be intolerant bigots ?

God would not intentionally put us into a situation where he wanted us to fight each other and hold prejudices against each other , unless you believe God is a sadistic wackjob . Doesnt it make a lot more sense to assume the racial differance was placed in this universe so we may one day realize that deep down inside we are all good people just trying to live ? That he might have placed diversity in this universe so that we may someday understand how we should treat each other no matter what ?

In other words , I seriously doubt God made differant races while intending us to preserve them ... but made them so we may one day see that what lies below the skin is more important . A simple lesson for us to learn . If god didnt want us to mix races then why is it possible for people of differant ethnic backgrounds to mate ? I seriously doubt god is that stupid .

 

[Blackguard_]

In other words , I seriously doubt God made differant races while intending us to preserve them ... but made them so we may one day see that what lies below the skin is more important . A simple lesson for us to learn . If god didnt want us to mix races then why is it possible for people of differant ethnic backgrounds to mate ? I seriously doubt god is that stupid .

I doubt he would create the races just for that simple little lesson. And if that was somrthing God wanted to use the races of Man to prove a point, it would have been better to have been one race as the point of the lesson would already be known if there was just one race. creating and destroying races seems like a really, really, wasted step.

And as for the second part, by similar logic if God didn't want people murdered then we would be immortal.

 

[slayer-2004]

I doubt he would create the races just for that simple little lesson.

Is it any less beleivable then your hatefull little idea of why he created differant races ? I would love to see you mouth the same things off you do here in front of a happily married interracial couple .

And as for the second part, by similar logic if God didn't want people murdered then we would be immortal.

wrong , bad logic . There are other reasons God didnt make us immortal rather then allowing murder , kind of like the reason we have hands . We have hands because we need them , but did god give us hands so we could kill people ? No .

However , with interracial sex there is no outside reason that would make it so God would have to allow interracial breeding to exist .

 

[slayer-2004]

And if that was somrthing God wanted to use the races of Man to prove a point, it would have been better to have been one race as the point of the lesson would already be known if there was just one race. creating and destroying races seems like a really, really, wasted step.

Why is there more then one color of roses ?

Why are rivers never the same as another river ?

Why is it we see endlessness when we look to the sky ?

Why does fire dance ?

Why do we dream ?

 

[Motus]

Race is an obsolete concept. Creating dividing lines between people of different skin types is just an excuse to create fear and hate. Doesn't the bible say there's no difference between jew and greek? That sounds like God is saying we are all part of the human race. The bible says if your eye offends you to pluck it out. So if racial descrimination causes you to hate, then cut it out.

 

[Caylin]

Why is there more then one color of roses ?

Why are rivers never the same as another river ?

Why is it we see endlessness when we look to the sky ?

Why does fire dance ?

Why do we dream ?

Slayer, I think the REAL question you need to ask him is,

Why do you give a damn?

 

[Blackguard_]

Race is an obsolete concept. Creating dividing lines between people of different skin types is just an excuse to create fear and hate.

um no, recognizing that differences exist does mean that you hate those differences.

Doesn't the bible say there's no difference between jew and greek? That sounds like God is saying we are all part of the human race.

No.
Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

So.. do you think there is no difference between men and women either? Should the scientists find a way to play with our genes so we can get rid of gender in the name of unity of mankind? Maybe God created man and woman to be destroyed so that we would see that what lies below sex organs is more important?
Although that is more directed at one of slayer's posts.

Is it any less beleivable then your hatefull little idea of why he created differant races ?

How exactly is wanting to preserve the races "hateful? Isn't wanting to destroy something ussually asociated with "hatred"? So I'm showing hatred by wanting to preserve what you want destroyed?

I would love to see you mouth the same things off you do here in front of a happily married interracial couple .

I would tell an inter-racial couple I did not apporve of their coupling, although I probably wouldn't bring up the subject and would try to as tactful as possible. And I have told inter-racial people that I do not approve of race-mixing, does that count for anything in your apparent attempt to call me a chicken? (Or your desire to see someone take a swipe at me?)

The bible says if your eye offends you to pluck it out. So if racial descrimination causes you to hate, then cut it out.

Sorry, it does not casue me to hate. Acknowledging race exists does not mean you necessarily have to hate the other races.

Why is there more then one color of roses ?

Why are rivers never the same as another river ?

Why is it we see endlessness when we look to the sky ?

Why does fire dance ?

Why do we dream?

What are you driving at?

wrong , bad logic . There are other reasons God didnt make us immortal rather then allowing murder , kind of like the reason we have hands . We have hands because we need them , but did god give us hands so we could kill people ? No .

Yes, youre right, bad analogy.

However , with interracial sex there is no outside reason that would make it so God would have to allow interracial breeding to exist .

inter-racial sex as in the phyical act, being possible does not mean God wanted it to be, such as how queers have "sex" even though God doesn't want them to. Inter-racial sex, like gay sex or bestiality is simply the abuse of something God gave us for other purposes, such as using hands to murder in your above example.

As far as the possibility of inter-racial breeding, I think that is simply the result of humans being the same species, as if the races were incapable of breeding they would then be different species. And in this case inter-racial breeding is the result of abuse of the way the genetics of Man have to be in order for Man to be one species, and would be similar to your "hands to murder" argument, the possibilty of race mixing is necessary for Man to exist as a species and can be abused much like hands could bu abused to murder.

 

[Motus]

um no, recognizing that differences exist does mean that you hate those differences.

True, but you are advocating a kind of hate when you say there should be no love.

Maybe God created man and woman to be destroyed so that we would see that what lies below sex organs is more important?

Although you probably meant this sarcastically, it's not far from the truth. The sexual desire is one that is earthly and in the flesh. Jesus calls us to cast off our earthly desires in favor of the spiritual. You are giving the spiritual fruit of love a fleshly spin by saying you can't love and marry someone of a certain nationality.

How exactly is wanting to preserve the races "hateful? Isn't wanting to destroy something ussually asociated with "hatred"? So I'm showing hatred by wanting to preserve what you want destroyed?

Maybe you don't believe you're being hateful, but you should understand you're being judgemental.

 

[slayer-2004]

um no, recognizing that differences exist does mean that you hate those differences.

Congratulations , I applaud your self insult . As odd as it seems ( since when did recognizing a differance automatically make you hate it ? Just what whacked out nut gave you that idea ? )

if you ment to place a "not" in between there then ---> why do you care if interracial marriages occur ?

No.
Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

So.. do you think there is no difference between men and women either? Should the scientists find a way to play with our genes so we can get rid of gender in the name of unity of mankind? Maybe God created man and woman to be destroyed so that we would see that what lies below sex organs is more important?
Although that is more directed at one of slayer's posts.

Irrelevant . And please dont provide scripture to back up your claims as it can be interpretted a number of ways ... and it also means nothing to people like me .

How exactly is wanting to preserve the races "hateful? Isn't wanting to destroy something ussually asociated with "hatred"? So I'm showing hatred by wanting to preserve what you want destroyed?

Why else would you want to preserve races ? Im not sure if you have noticed but your the only person here who gives a d*** ... and we really dont see any other reason behind your thinking other then you being a bigot .

I would tell an inter-racial couple I did not apporve of their coupling, although I probably wouldn't bring up the subject and would try to as tactful as possible. And I have told inter-racial people that I do not approve of race-mixing, does that count for anything in your apparent attempt to call me a chicken?

Suicide is not the answer ! But really , how do you think they responded to that ? They at least thought you to be a clueless nutjob .

Sorry, it does not casue me to hate. Acknowledging race exists does not mean you necessarily have to hate the other races.

Acknowledging race exists does not equal racial discrimination .

What are you driving at?

answer the questions , but with one answer that works for all of them .

inter-racial sex as in the phyical act, being possible does not mean God wanted it to be,

Youi obviously could not comprehend what I ment as your repeating yourself with logic that just got shot down . Why else would god create sex then the reason that we should have sex ? If God wanted to preserve the races he would have allowed them to continue sex , but he would make it so they could never bear a child together . Easy . Your failing to recognize that the analogy doesnt work for every physical activity , as some of them have multiple options available to them .

such as how queers have "sex" even though God doesn't want them too.

Actually , I seriously doubt he cares . Give me one peice of evidence that God gives even the smallest peice of ***t about homosexuals outside of your 2000 year old book and we will talk . Otherwise , dont go there .

As far as the possibility of inter-racial breeding, I think that is simply the result of humans being the same species, as if the races were incapable of breeding they would then be different species.And in this case inter-racial breeding is the result of abuse of the way the genetics of Man have to be in order for Man to be one species, and would be similar to your "hands to murder" argument, the possibilty of race mixing is necessary for Man to exist as a species and can be abused much like hands could bu abused to murder.

You sure have an interesting way of proving my point without intending to .

( re read your own post and think about it logically , Im hoping you will see what I mean for yourself by noticing the contradictions in your own logic . Im beginning to doubt I will be able to do anything for you . )

 

[Blackguard_]

True, but you are advocating a kind of hate when you say there should be no love.

When did I say there should be no love? You mean the love of an inter-racial couple? Well you probably won't be pleased to know I also am against the love of a gay couple. Love is not inherently a good thing, loving evil for instance.

Although you probably meant this sarcastically, it's not far from the truth. The sexual desire is one that is earthly and in the flesh. Jesus calls us to cast off our earthly desires in favor of the spiritual.

Since when is sexual desire purely earthly? In our fleash it is corrupted yes, but that doesn't mean that's how God intended it.

So you believe the love between and man and wife is purely earthly and in no way spiritual?Two flesh becoming one is purely earthly? Sounds like you have some sort of disdain for sex . But I am not some sort of ascetic monk, I believe sex was originally intended to have a spiritual component and not simply be the satisfaction of an earthly desire. God in Genesis told Adam and Eve to have sex when he commanded them to be fruitful and multiply.
So sex is not purely an earthly thing, despite how often it is perverted into such in this fallen world.

Jesus did not call us to be ascetic monks living in the desert denying ourselves anything non-mystical.

You are giving the spiritual fruit of love a fleshly spin by saying you can't love and marry someone of a certain nationality.

I suppose you'll want to throw gender into that too? And sexual love is not one of the spiritual fruits. But going by the sexual aspect, I suppose you'll also call me out for forbidding having sex with multiple partners too?

I'm sorry, but there are "fleshy" limits to who you can love sexually or else you are arguing "free love" which is defintely against God's will.

 

[Motus]

When did I say there should be no love? You mean the love of an inter-racial couple? Well you probably won't be pleased to know I also am against the love of a gay couple. Love is not inherently a good thing, loving evil for instance.

You're confusing the act of love, and love itself.

Since when is sexual desire purely earthly? In our fleash it is corrupted yes, but that doesn't mean that's how God intended it. So you believe the love between and man and wife is purely earthly and in no way spiritual?

Don't you use the body to have sex? Unless you use your soul to do it, then that's some weird tantra that I'm not aware of.
If you read my post, you would see I say just the opposite.

Two flesh becoming one is purely earthly? Sounds like you have some sort of disdain for sex.

I am not the one saying two people who love each other should not get married and have sex just because of their race. The only one saying sex is bad, is you.

Jesus did not call us to be ascetic monks living in the desert denying ourselves anything non-mystical.

Jesus said to seek first the kingdom of God. He doesn't say to live in the desert, but he said to not worry about the wordly things. See Matt 6:31-34

I suppose you'll want to throw gender into that too? And sexual love is not one of the spiritual fruits. But going by the sexual aspect, I suppose you'll also call me out for forbidding having sex with multiple partners too?

And what, pray tell, is "sexual love" other than lust? I only said love was fruit of the spirit.

I'm sorry, but there are "fleshy" limits to who you can love sexually or else you are arguing "free love" which is defintely against God's will.

Why? Because you say so? The Bible doesn't put any limits on God's love.

 

[Blackguard_]

if you ment to place a "not" in between there then ---> why do you care if interracial marriages occur ?

Yes, I meant to put "not", and I've already said because it is against the way I believe God set up the races to be.

Irrelevant . And please dont provide scripture to back up your claims as it can be interpretted a number of ways ... and it also means nothing to people like me .

Ok, And that was a response to something someone else (Motus?) had posted.

Why else would you want to preserve races ?

Oh I don't know, love of them perhaps? Again I don't understand how people equate wanting to preserve the races with "hate" and wanting to destroy them with "love". To me it seems the opposite is true.

Im not sure if you have noticed but your the only person here who gives a d*** ... and we really dont see any other reason behind your thinking other then you being a bigot .

1. I dont' give a damn if I am the only person who gives a damn.
2. I am a bigot according tp Ambrose Bierce's definition...
BIGOT, n.
One who is obstinately and zealously attached to an opinion that you do not entertain.

Suicide is not the answer ! But really , how do you think they responded to that ? They at least thought you to be a clueless nutjob .

Well, they didn't think I was clueless as they ussually based their opposition to my view on the imagined notion God wants the races to mix, but they do seem to think I'm a nut-job just for having the gall to question thier view of race.

Acknowledging race exists does not equal racial discrimination .

Exactly. But try telling that to some of the more Liberal types..

answer the questions , but with one answer that works for all of them .

How about "becasue that is how God set the universe up"?

Actually , I seriously doubt he cares . Give me one peice of evidence that God gives even the smallest peice of ***t about homosexuals outside of your 2000 year old book and we will talk . Otherwise , dont go there .

Ok, it was just an example.

Youi obviously could not comprehend what I ment as your repeating yourself with logic that just got shot down . Why else would god create sex then the reason that we should have sex ? If God wanted to preserve the races he would have allowed them to continue sex , but he would make it so they could never bear a child together . Easy .

1. If the races could not breed, they would be different species. Humanity is still one species if the races can interbreed, but if the races can't interbreed then they are not races but species.

2. Part of the purpose ofd sex and marraige is to produce off-spring, which an inter-racial couple could not do in you hypothetical situation and would be against God's plan for sex and marriage. It would be pointless to have people be married if they could not have kids if they wanted to. The possible counterexample of an intra-racial infertile couple does not apply as I am talking about how God intended the world to be before the Fall when medical conditions like infertility did not exist and would not exist if not for the Fall.

You sure have an interesting way of proving my point without intending to .

I don't see what you're getting at unless you think God should have made the races seperate species if he wanted to prevent race-mixing.

 

[Blackguard_]

You're confusing the act of love, and love itself.

Yes, in that example I meant more the "act of love". But that only would help my case as I would then not be forbidding love but only the act of love.

Don't you use the body to have sex? Unless you use your soul to do it, then that's some weird tantra that I'm not aware of.
If you read my post, you would see I say just the opposite.

yes, but you also use your body to take communion and partacipate in other spiritual things. Body and soul are kind of connected.

I am not the one saying two people who love each other should not get married and have sex just because of their race. The only one saying sex is bad, is you.

I meant how you seem to regard it as just an "earthly" or "fleshy" thing, when it isn't. I don't think sex is bad, but when it is perverted and misused it is.

Jesus said to seek first the kingdom of God. He doesn't say to live in the desert, but he said to not worry about the wordly things. See Matt 6:31-34

And sex and marriage is not a worldly thing.

And what, pray tell, is "sexual love" other than lust? I only said love was fruit of the spirit.

You are giving the spiritual fruit of love a fleshly spin by saying you can't love and marry someone of a certain nationality.

And here you imply that the spiritual fruit of love is somehow tied to the act of love.

And "lust" is not the same thing as "sexual love". In our fallen natures the two often blurred, but are not the same. The sex drive of a purely physical sexual desire is the result of the Fall. It was supposed to be an emotional, spiritual, and physical act. and the Fall made it primarily a physical desire.
It was not intended to be an "act of love" only as a euphemism, but in actuality, and that is differetent from "lust".

Why? Because you say so? The Bible doesn't put any limits on God's love.

again, we're confusing love and the act of love. There are plenty of limits in the Bible on the physical act of love such as fornication, gays, aldultery, polygamy, etc.

 

[slayer-2004]

oddly enough , Im starting to believe that there is no way I can really help you on this . Your situation reminds me of a hippie I once met ( I live in the bay area ) who believed it was against gods will to eat ice cream . He couldnt provide any evidence for this outside of his simple beliefs , and rambled on about how "we love ice cream so god wouldn't want us to eat something we love right man ?"

The point is there was no convincing him otherwise . His situation seems to be the same as yours , you have absolutly no proof of your wacked out claim , but you still insist on believing that that is what god wants . "I love the races so we shouldn't mix em maaan..." ari ari

I guess I have no choice but to let this go : Just please realize that pretty much everyone else in this world disagree's with you , and inter-racial couples will think of you as an idiot for telling them your garbage ... in other words I advise you to not go around preaching this as you will probobly convince nobody of anything else then the possibility that you may have some kind of mental illness .

 

[Shane Roach]

inter-racial sex as in the phyical act, being possible does not mean God wanted it to be, such as how queers have "sex" even though God doesn't want them to. Inter-racial sex, like gay sex or bestiality is simply the abuse of something God gave us for other purposes, such as using hands to murder in your above example.

As far as the possibility of inter-racial breeding, I think that is simply the result of humans being the same species, as if the races were incapable of breeding they would then be different species. And in this case inter-racial breeding is the result of abuse of the way the genetics of Man have to be in order for Man to be one species, and would be similar to your "hands to murder" argument, the possibilty of race mixing is necessary for Man to exist as a species and can be abused much like hands could bu abused to murder.

There is absolutely, positively NO prohibition on interacial marriage, and to compare it to sexual immoralities that are repeatedly described and prohibited in both the Old and New Testament is entirely disingenuous. Your own personal preference for your race (I'm just going to assume you're white, although it's possible you're not I guess. I haven't read the whole thread) in and of itself is only natural, but to pawn it off on other people and try to attach some sort of moral or spiritual significance to it in the absence of any evidence whatsoever is astounding to me.

About the only thing I can say for you is you're more polite than the average anti-Christian troll around here. I do appreciate that, in all seriousness. But you have yet to provide a single verse in defense of your belief, and I think it's pretty evident that it's because your belief is not based on anything Christian or Biblical.

 

[Motus]

I meant how you seem to regard it as just an "earthly" or "fleshy" thing, when it isn't. I don't think sex is bad, but when it is perverted and misused it is.

Sex is an act of the flesh. Love is an act of the spirit. God is love, so by definition, cannot be evil. Sex is good when it is in marriage, as an expression of love. Sex is bad when it's done any other time, as an act of lust. If two people who love each other want to marry and have sex, who are you to tell them not to? Or are you saying it's a pitfall of lust?

And "lust" is not the same thing as "sexual love". In our fallen natures the two often blurred, but are not the same. The sex drive of a purely physical sexual desire is the result of the Fall. It was supposed to be an emotional, spiritual, and physical act. and the Fall made it primarily a physical desire.
It was not intended to be an "act of love" only as a euphemism, but in actuality, and that is differetent from "lust".

You're saying that some have suffered the effects of the fall, and others haven't, otherwise your declarations of how it's "supposed" to be are irrelevant.

again, we're confusing love and the act of love. There are plenty of limits in the Bible on the physical act of love such as fornication, gays, aldultery, polygamy, etc.

Well if you want to follow it to the letter, the catholic church says sex should only be used for procreation, and never for pleasure. You seem to think people of different race only have sex for pleasure alone, and not for love.