interracial relationship?

[aeroz19]

So I am not going to try to stop gays etc. from getting "married" as they simply can't be married.

Are you a Libertarian? Just curious.

Hey, look at these new faces! Cool!

Ok, anyway...

 

[praying]

Ok, so then you are perfectly fine with inter-racial marriage being legal?


That's true.


My reasoning is based on the fact that those who defended racist legislation used some of the same philosophies as you regarding race mixing and how they thought God views races.


Huh??


Oh, ok.


No, not really.


You're welcome.


Those who were racist shared some of your views on race.

However, after discussing the issue of race with you in this thread and in other ones I have come to the conclusion that you are not a racist. Your views on race are somewhat exteme but they do not include the desire to cause harm to any race, nor do they include the false belief that some races are inherently inferior.


I think I am beginning to understand your viewpoint. Do you believe that it would be a good thing if all races stayed geographically separated (like by country and/or continent) from each other at all times? Also, do you think that this type of set up would benefit everyone in the best possible way?


Well, this is debatable.


It's only a little more.


Prove that God created the races. Just because they exist does not mean God created them all. This gets into micro-evolution.

Prefering your own race is not natural for everyone. I don't prefer any race over another when it comes to choosing friends and a boyfriend, and there are many people who feel this way. In fact, Natural Law is reversed from the way you state that it is; if you have a very diverse community of people, you will also have very diverse couples. It all depends on the diversity of the community--the selection available.

Uh oh, now we're into the discussion of mate selection. lol

OT

You know you might be a conservative Republican with an ugly pic of a giant flip flop and John Kerry in your sig but you are

but you are still voting the wrongside

 

[Motus]

John 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

That verse is referring to people who reject Jesus, ie, people who don't follow Jesus' command to love one another. Maybe you can explain how loving others goes against Jesus' commandment to love others?

no, it is wrong to love evil, which is what a couple engaging in immoral sex is doing. Sex is good as an expression of love in marriage but bad outide marriage whether for love or lust. But a marriage is a marriage because God recognizes the marriage and not because humans whether the government or a church do. It is possible for people to be "married" in the eyes of Man but not in the eyes of God.

For example, many people these days are on their 3rd and 4th marriages from divorces, but Jesus said in Matthew 5...

31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

According to Jesus, those who are divorced and re-marry are commiting adultery, but in the eyes of Man, they are legitamtely married. So is someone married to a divorced person having sex in a marriage? No. So if a gay couple got a marriage ceremony performed by a priest in a church and had a marriage certificate from the State, they would not be married.

So I am not going to try to stop gays etc. from getting "married" as they simply can't be married.

I don't think we need to redefine marriage for the purpose of this discussion. We all know what marriage and divorce are. These statements prove nothing that people of different races should not marry.

No, everyone is affected by the Fall. We can rationalize how God intended things to be from his laws and commands. For a simple example, the command against stealing strongly implies that there is not supposed to be stealing in the world.

Right, because you can't love somebody and steal from them. All the ten commandments are things you can't do to someone you love. That's why Jesus was able to replace all of them with the simple commandment of love your neighbor. If you can prove that people of different races cannot love each other, then I will agree with you that they should not have relations. However, you can't say that because it's ludicrous.

 

[aeroz19]

I think a Natural Law does exist or else St. Paul is really off base in Romans 1..
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

I don't see how these verses have anything to do with natural law. They mean that everyone has the knowledge of God's existance planted in them, and therefore atheists have not excuse for saying that God doesn't exist, becuase they know he does.

 

[aeroz19]

OT

You know you might be a conservative Republican with an ugly pic of a giant flip flop and John Kerry in your sig but you are

LOL!!!! Umm, thanks, I think...

...but you are still voting the wrongside

Oh, really? Why? Conservative Repubs don't think the way I do about race? I think they do for the most part.

 

[The Bellman]

I don't see how these verses have anything to do with natural law. They mean that everyone has the knowledge of God's existance planted in them, and therefore atheists have not excuse for saying that God doesn't exist, becuase they know he does.

Except that that's completely false. Atheists don't know that god exists - they don't even believe he does.

 

[Motus]

1. Why would God create races to destroy them?

Why wouldn't he? Since you like to reference the OT a lot, you should be aware of many instances where God destroys even entire cities, which he created. And what about when He destroyed the whole world in a great flood? Do you still believe God never destroys anything?

2. Race is more then skin color.

So what other than skin color distinguishes the races? Are those differences more important than skin color? I ask because I'm interested in finding out how specific you get. Like, should Germans and Romanians not marry?

 

[praying]

Oh, really? Why? Conservative Repubs don't think the way I do about race? I think they do for the most part.

No no I meant about Dubya

 

[Blackguard_]

That verse is referring to people who reject Jesus, ie, people who don't follow Jesus' command to love one another. Maybe you can explain how loving others goes against Jesus' commandment to love others?

Jesus said to love your neighbor, not "others". But anyways, "loving" someone does not have to include marrying them. You can love someone and not marry them can't you? Jesus was not talking about romantic love when he said to "love your neighbor as yourself".

I don't think we need to redefine marriage for the purpose of this discussion. We all know what marriage and divorce are. These statements prove nothing that people of different races should not marry.

I was explaining why I think gays, inter-racial marriages should be legal as they wouldn't count anyways. And it was against your statement that "Sex is good when it is in marriage, as an expression of love. Sex is bad when it's done any other time, as an act of lust. If two people who love each other want to marry and have sex, who are you to tell them not to? "

I was trying to explain that "marriage" does not legitimize all sex, such as divorcing and re-marrying actually being adultery in God's eyes even though men think they are legimiately married and can have sex legitimately but are mistaken.

Right, because you can't love somebody and steal from them. All the ten commandments are things you can't do to someone you love. That's why Jesus was able to replace all of them with the simple commandment of love your neighbor. If you can prove that people of different races cannot love each other, then I will agree with you that they should not have relations. However, you can't say that because it's ludicrous.

Well, you are right about "loving your neighbor as yourself" being the summation of the Law, I think Jesus even pointed that out.

But again, Jesus was not talking about romanitc love, he meant more of a brotherly love. This argument you use could also be used to support things the Bible explicitly condemns like gay marriage and fornication and "Free Love". But condemning those and inter-racial marriage does not fall into your "Love your neighbor" trap as Jesus was not talking about romantic love/sex when he said that.

 

[aeroz19]

No no I meant about Dubya

What, does Dubya not share my views on race?

 

[praying]

LOL, your voting for dubya is on the wrongside has nothing at all to do with race..LOL

 

[Blackguard_]

I don't see how these verses have anything to do with natural law. They mean that everyone has the knowledge of God's existance planted in them, and therefore atheists have not excuse for saying that God doesn't exist, becuase they know he does.

Not quite, I think especially with verse 20 it is clear that Paul is talking about physical Creation itself as terstifying to God's existence, and not just some sort of internal mystical thing.

Here it is in the NASB, which makes it clearer...
Romans 1
19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

 

[Blackguard_]

Shane

God did not create them "Black and White." Or any other shades. Race evolved. If you are a strict interpreter of the Bible, perhaps the most direct answer to your question, "why are there races?" is, "God confused the languages so that the Godless could not work together." Apparently, according to the Bible, people working together can achieve anything.

I thought of the Tower of Babel too, but my response is that people of different races can work just as well together as those of the same race if they do not let race be a problem. Lanquage on the other hand, can be a problem towards working together whether you let it be or not.

If people who speak the same lanquage but our of different races can't work together as well as those of the same race, I think you need to re-examine your probable position and that we are all the same underneath our racial features.

So, do you have a harder time working with your friends of other races who speak the same lanquage as you then your friends of your race? I certainly do not have a harder time working with my friends of other races.

We are supposed to be one in Christ, therefore those divisions are not for us. "You will know they are Christians by the love they have one for another. (Emphasis mine) In other words, your first priotity should be faith, not race.

1. yes your first priority should be faith. but that does not mean other things are not important.
2. I suppose you don't think God created man and woman either a we are supposed to be "one in Christ"? I guess we are supposed to have a Hive Mind with Jesus in control and all look identical too. And those pesky bodies cause us division too, maybe we are to meant to be one with Christ and join his enegy field and really be One with him, sort of like Taosim? I know you probaly don't hold these views, I am just taking your logic to it's conclusion.

An I think being "one in Christ" means being in a brotherhood of all believers.

Race is very closely related to simple family ties, and I would like to point out to you a verse that, though it doesn't directly address race, speeks volumes to my mind as to why your thinking on this matter is wrong.

Matthew 12:49-50 "And he stretched forth his hands toward, his disciples, and said, 'Behold my mother, and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my broher, and sister, and mother.'"

Yep, the "brotherhood of all believers". although I'm not sure what to make of "mother" and what the signifgance of "father" not being mentioned is. I'll look into this some more.

 

[Blackguard_]

Why wouldn't he? Since you like to reference the OT a lot, you should be aware of many instances where God destroys even entire cities, which he created. And what about when He destroyed the whole world in a great flood? Do you still believe God never destroys anything?

1. What city did God create? Men build cities.
2. It didn't create it with the purpose od destryiong it, he destoyed it becasue it was corrupted and sinful and guilty. God does destory, but I do not believe he created things for the purpose of destroying them. For instance if God destoys a city ( which I will assume he set up/created for sake of argument) it would would be beacuse the city was corrupted and was destoyed as an execution of a sentence and it was not created with the purpose of being destroyed like people who build sand castles so they can blow them up with fireworks

So what other than skin color distinguishes the races?

Facial features mostly, like epicanthic folds, etc. facial structure, hair color and texture, eye color, etc. They can identify race from skulls.

I think there is also differences in skeletal/body strucure as race has been identified using bones in forensics. I've heard they think the Kenyans dominating marathons might be genetic, as in their sub-race naturally has a better body for it. Although the body differences seem mostly minor.

And DNA can also be used to determine race as in the Derrick Todd Lee case,

This not an exhaustive list by thee way.

Are those differences more important than skin color?

yes, as many of the races have similar skin colors but are different in other ways, such as Arabs and Chinese people.

I ask because I'm interested in finding out how specific you get. Like, should Germans and Romanians not marry?

I would see nothing wrong with Germans and Romanians marrying. I am not opposed to sub-races mixing, which is not to say I consider Romanians a different sub-race then the Germans, but just to demonstrate how specific I get. Romanians and Germans are both White, so I see nothing wrong with them marrying.

 

[Volos]

You will find Christians similarly against people who talk underage children into consensual sex, a practice that is much approved in some cultures.

Try to keep a civil tongue please. This website is beginning to be overun with people like you who seem to have no other purpose than to sling insults at Christians.

and insinuating a relationship between child sexual abuse and homosexuality is civil?

 

[Motus]

1. What city did God create? Men build cities.

Men built the buildings, but God created the people in them. Why should God destroy his human creation, when He knows they will be judged after they die anyway? Other than the reason that they were destined to be destroyed? Since you say destroying racial differences is evil and hateful, is God also evil?

2. It didn't create it with the purpose od destryiong it, he destoyed it becasue it was corrupted and sinful and guilty.

Then by this logic, God should destroy all of us because the Bible says "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."

I think there is also differences in skeletal/body strucure as race has been identified using bones in forensics. I've heard they think the Kenyans dominating marathons might be genetic, as in their sub-race naturally has a better body for it. Although the body differences seem mostly minor.

So should a tall person not marry a short person? Should a fat person not marry a skinny person because they have a different bone structure? After all, God created the tall person's tallness, so it should be preserved too, right?

And DNA can also be used to determine race as in the Derrick Todd Lee case,

Studies have also shown that Jewish people and Middle-eastern arabs have the same genetic line, even though they are considered different races.

 

[aeroz19]

Not quite, I think especially with verse 20 it is clear that Paul is talking about physical Creation itself as terstifying to God's existence, and not just some sort of internal mystical thing.

Here it is in the NASB, which makes it clearer...
Romans 1
19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

Still, this does not show that God made the races and intended for them to remain separate.

What event/occurance/whatever in your life lead you to believe that God made races and intended them to be separate?

 

[aeroz19]

To add to Motus's thoughts....

Why is preserving races so important? Why should skin color be more important than other traits like nose length, height, weight, bone thickness, temperment, height of forehead, skin texture, and other bodily features? I don't think God cares about race any more than any of these characteristics when it comes to the choice of a life partner. Does God care what color of eyes, or hair your spouce may have? Does He think that the eye colors and the hair colors must match?

Does He then think the skin color or facial structures must match?

I doubt it seriously.

 

[USincognito]

I've heard they think the Kenyans dominating marathons might be genetic, as in their sub-race naturally has a better body for it. Although the body differences seem mostly minor.

I won't even bother with the other rubbish, but this is so rediculous it needs to be corrected. The reasons that Africans were dominating long distance running is because there was (and to a large extent, still isn't) methods of transportation between villages other than running. You've got people that had run between towns their whole lives, conditioning themselves, finally being trained properly for competition, so of course they'd kick butt in long distance events.

 

[Blackguard_]

won't even bother with the other rubbish, but this is so rediculous it needs to be corrected. The reasons that Africans were dominating long distance running is because there was (and to a large extent, still isn't) methods of transportation between villages other than running. You've got people that had run between towns their whole lives, conditioning themselves, finally being trained properly for competition, so of course they'd kick butt in long distance events.

Yep, that could be it.