Intermediate fossils

[Valkhorn]

"In DNA A has to go with T, and G has to go with C. The probability of getting a match is 1 out of 4. Already that is 25% chances that DNA could occur by itself.
Add 4 to that because you want to see what the chances of both combos´ occurring by chance are. 1 out of 8; about 12%. Now DNA has more than 1 million “rungs”.
It would be very favorable to evolution to just use 1 million rungs. 1 out of 8,000,000 chances evolution would occur; about 0.00001%. DNA could not occur by chance."

Your quote is lame. It is from Randy Alcorn - who is not a scientist and has a doctorate in 'divinity' - and an honorary one at that.

never said it did, but evolution had to start somwhere....so they may be related in a way. What is the origin of life/matter?

No Evolution just happens. Just like vinegar and baking soda react. Evolution is intrinsic to DNA replication and natural selection. And, Evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life.

however i do not beleive that humans came from a differnt animal, and find it hard to beleive that humans came from monkeys. Im still unclear the origin of life itself, and the origin of humans. Have humans been around since the begining of time...maybe not looking exaclty the same?

Um. No. Humans have only existed as Homo Sapiens for about 200,000 years and some change. Before that they existed as H. Habilis or H. Erectus, et al.

If they existed since the beginning of Earth then we'd find human colonies and remains in layers with dinosaur bones or ancient pre-cambrian stromatalites.

We don't, haven't, and never will.

-also, it would still be nice to see a picture of a ape hands/ feet on a human like body...no division between the monkey body part and human body part.

A chimera? You do realize evolution says this doesn't happen, right?
In other words nowhere in Evolution does it say a Monkey will give birth to a Pineapple or a Human will suddenly be born with monkey legs.

I thought when you first started posting you'd be eager to learn but you keep using creationist tripe, false information, and refuse to really learn.

 

[pyro214]

Um. No. Humans have only existed as Homo Sapiens for about 200,000 years and some change. Before that they existed as H. Habilis or H. Erectus, et al.
If they existed since the beginning of Earth then we'd find human colonies and remains in layers with dinosaur bones or ancient pre-cambrian stromatalites.
We don't, haven't, and never will.

human/dinosaur interaction has been proved through fossils...
http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.bible.ca/tracks/utp-mcfall-4-both-seminar-untouched-java.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.bible.ca/tracks/utp-mcfall-4-both-java.htm&h=381&w=735&sz=56&hl=en&start=7&tbnid=rirxLVlNCT8MdM:&tbnh=73&tbnw=141&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddinosaur/%2Bhuman/%2Bfootprint%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26channel%3Ds%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN

A chimera? You do realize evolution says this doesn't happen, right?
In other words nowhere in Evolution does it say a Monkey will give birth to a Pineapple or a Human will suddenly be born with monkey legs.

yes i realize that these transitions were small but it has to cross the line from chimpanzee to human somehwere...
it may take more then one peice of evidence, its such a big topic..the evidence should be readibly available....im simply requesting these photos :S

I thought when you first started posting you'd be eager to learn but you keep using creationist tripe, false information, and refuse to really learn.

i didnt come here to learn originally, i came here thinking that every christian would be completly opposed to the idea of evolution.
In the last 5 days ive been here ive learnt more about evolution/ creation of humans then i have throughout my life.
I may be no expert to this stuff but i do intend to provide my own opinions and let you discuss why you think they are right/wrong.

 

[KerrMetric]

human/dinosaur interaction has been proved through fossils...
http://images.google.ca/imgres?

LOL - all these cases are known to be either eroded dinosaur tracks or fakes.

 

[pyro214]

LOL - all these cases are known to be either eroded dinosaur tracks or fakes.

some may be fake, as with many fossils, but there is obviously real ones aswell. Explain this eroded dinosaur track...how did dinosuar feet get beside human feet on the same level of ground if there millions of years apart.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

human/dinosaur interaction has been proved through fossils...
http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.bible.ca/tracks/utp-mcfall-4-both-seminar-untouched-java.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.bible.ca/tracks/utp-mcfall-4-both-java.htm&h=381&w=735&sz=56&hl=en&start=7&tbnid=rirxLVlNCT8MdM:&tbnh=73&tbnw=141&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddinosaur/%2Bhuman/%2Bfootprint%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26channel%3Ds%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN/

Those aren't by any chance the infamous Paluxy River fossils, no?

 

[I_Love_Cheese]

human/dinosaur interaction has been proved through fossils...
http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.bible.ca/tracks/utp-mcfall-4-both-seminar-untouched-java.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.bible.ca/tracks/utp-mcfall-4-both-java.htm&h=381&w=735&sz=56&hl=en&start=7&tbnid=rirxLVlNCT8MdM:&tbnh=73&tbnw=141&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddinosaur/%2Bhuman/%2Bfootprint%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26channel%3Ds%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN




yes i realize that these transitions were small but it has to cross the line from chimpanzee to human somehwere...
it may take more then one peice of evidence, its such a big topic..the evidence should be readibly available....im simply requesting these photos :S



i didnt come here to learn originally, i came here thinking that every christian would be completly opposed to the idea of evolution.
In the last 5 days ive been here ive learnt more about evolution/ creation of humans then i have throughout my life.
I may be no expert to this stuff but i do intend to provide my own opinions and let you discuss why you think they are right/wrong.

Even better evidence of Dino Human interaction.

http://www.nmsr.org/Archive.html

 

[KerrMetric]

Explain this eroded dinosaur track...how did dinosuar feet get beside human feet on the same level of ground if there millions of years apart.

They are not human tracks. They are dinosaur tracks that were partially formed or have eroded somewhat. People have imaged these tracks and you an see the rest of the dinosaur track is actually still present - it depends on the lighting and angle.

 

[pyro214]

Even better evidence of Dino Human interaction.

http://www.nmsr.org/Archive.html

nice find, actually heres a good website on evolution...including interaction between humans and dinosaurs.
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/tracks.map

I will not say that all of it is accurate but its definatly enough to prove my point that humans and dinosaurs were around at the same time....

 

[KerrMetric]

I will not say that all of it is accurate but its definatly enough to prove my point that humans and dinosaurs were around at the same time....

Please stop the tomfoolery - this is sheer nonsense of the first magnitude.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

nice find, actually heres a good website on evolution...including interaction between humans and dinosaurs.
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/tracks.map

I will not say that all of it is accurate but its definatly enough to prove my point that humans and dinosaurs were around at the same time....

Great, now we know that even creationists are subject to Poe's Law.

 

[pyro214]

Great, now we know that even creationists are subject to Poe's Law.

if you mean that Poe's Law i look at evolution from a point of view that pretty much executes the possibility of evolutoin ever being correct in my mind because the Bible says otherwise....you are wrong. For one evolution and religoin can co-exist. As far as denying evolution is because i have all this evidence against it, yet none for it...why?
i dont know why, this is why i keep trying to prove it false...if you prove it to be true i dont really care, ill be happy either way but i wont let myself beleive somthing to be true without some hard evidence/explanations. Explanations have already been given, so far evidence has been pointing in the opposite direction.

 

[pyro214]

Please stop the tomfoolery - this is sheer nonsense of the first magnitude.

ok?
your mocking me and saying it doesnt prove my point, at least explain your point rather then using a complex sentence that really has no meaning.

 

[flatworm]

if you mean that Poe's Law i look at evolution from a point of view that pretty much executes the possibility of evolutoin ever being correct in my mind because the Bible says otherwise....you are wrong. For one evolution and religoin can co-exist. As far as denying evolution is because i have all this evidence against it, yet none for it...why?
i dont know why, this is why i keep trying to prove it false...if you prove it to be true i dont really care, ill be happy either way but i wont let myself beleive somthing to be true without some hard evidence/explanations. Explanations have already been given, so far evidence has been pointing in the opposite direction.

Pyro, I think what everybody is trying to say is that you're bringing up well-known hoaxes as evidence. Even AnswersInGenesis is embarassed by creationists going around peddling the Paluxy river bed tracks.

 

[pyro214]

Pyro, I think what everybody is trying to say is that you're bringing up well-known hoaxes as evidence. Even AnswersInGenesis is embarassed by creationists going around peddling the Paluxy river bed tracks.

todays the first day ive ever tried looking into human/dinosaur interations. if its wrong, say so, and tell me im wrong.... to say that using Paluxy river bed tracks really means nothing to me, were they some famous fakes or somthing?

 

[philadiddle]

todays the first day ive ever tried looking into human/dinosaur interations. if its wrong, say so, and tell me im wrong.... to say that using Paluxy river bed tracks really means nothing to me, were they some famous fakes or somthing?

yes, they were a fake. Here are 2 different YEC organizations who say it shouldn't be used as evidence.

Institute for Creation Research (ICR)
http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=255

Answers in Genesis (AiG)
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/dont_use.asp

 

[pyro214]

yes, they were a fake. Here are 2 different YEC organizations who say it shouldn't be used as evidence.

Institute for Creation Research (ICR)
http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=255

Answers in Genesis (AiG)
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/dont_use.asp

ok ty, my bad

 

[Valkhorn]

yes i realize that these transitions were small but it has to cross the line from chimpanzee to human somehwere...
it may take more then one peice of evidence, its such a big topic..the evidence should be readibly available....im simply requesting these photos :S

You do realize it's not going to be all in one generation, and that humans and monkeys share a common ancestor, it's not monkeys -> humans. Heck, even the clue that we are both mammals ought to clue you in to the fact there's a common ancestor there. Plus our DNA being about 98% similar is another huge clue.

In addition, you do realize that the graphic that you claimed was a 'nice find' was a hoax right?

And, you do realize that we have never found human fossils/remains below the KT layer and that the KT boundary ALWAYS has divided humans from dinosaurs, right?

It's amazing how you claim there is no evidence for evolution since you tend to ignore all of it in favor of accepting hoaxes and lies from creationism.

Morton's Demon anyone?

 

[I_Love_Cheese]

You do realize it's not going to be all in one generation, and that humans and monkeys share a common ancestor, it's not monkeys -> humans. Heck, even the clue that we are both mammals ought to clue you in to the fact there's a common ancestor there. Plus our DNA being about 98% similar is another huge clue.

In addition, you do realize that the graphic that you claimed was a 'nice find' was a hoax right?

And, you do realize that we have never found human fossils/remains below the KT layer and that the KT boundary ALWAYS has divided humans from dinosaurs, right?

It's amazing how you claim there is no evidence for evolution since you tend to ignore all of it in favor of accepting hoaxes and lies from creationism.

Morton's Demon anyone?

No he might be telling the truth, someone told him about humans interacting with dinosaurs, since there wouldn't be any scientific sites on the subjest, all you would get is creationist sites, and since that is everything you see, you might be led to believe it is real.

That's why we are here I guess.

 

[Valkhorn]

No he might be telling the truth, someone told him about humans interacting with dinosaurs, since there wouldn't be any scientific sites on the subjest, all you would get is creationist sites, and since that is everything you see, you might be led to believe it is real.

That's why we are here I guess.

In that case, its a sad thing when someone can be so misled and when a whole group of people can lie like that for their religion.

 

[USincognito]

im not going to read 20 pages to try find this evidence, i scanned it for visual evidence and saw only some bees....proving microevoltuioin.

please quote the text or post the image that proves evolution undoubtibly.

I noticed you never commented on the photos of Turkana Boy I posted back on page 13.
http://www.christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=30805216&postcount=127