Intermediate fossils

[pyro214]

the israelites believed god made the light and the darkness, that he created every thing. this doesn't make what the bible says true or true in how god did it, only that this is the myth of a group of people

When people wrote the Bible it was through God, no interpetations took place.

2 Peter 1:20-21

20Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. 21For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

or does this apply to prophecys only?

 

[USincognito]

Just found a great fossil site and had to mention it.

http://www.fossilmuseum.net/index.htm

That's a great little source phil. Thanks for posting it.

 

[FishFace]

yourve been very helpful, thanks

You're most welcome!

The last question that comes to my mind when thinking about the age of earth/evolution/the Bible is why Jesus was sent to us only 2k years ago? If humans have been around for so long, why 2k years ago?

I'm afraid I'm the wrong person to ask about this, since I'm an atheist. My opinion is that it is probable a man named Jesus lived around 2,000 years ago, but doubtful that he did everything he is said to have done, but was more likely someone who claimed to be a messiah, who probably went around preaching and possibly healing in some way. This is how other people with similar claims who lived in the time are viewed.

Just read Gensesis, it says he created light/darkness...and seperated them. Then after each "day" it says, "Evening passed, and morning came". what isyour view on this?

Indeed it does, and this indicates to me as an atheist that those who wrote the Bible did think that the world was created in 6 days. However, you shouldn't take my (or anyone else's) word for this - if you want to make the absolute best judgement on this (and any other, similar, topic) you should try and find as many people as possible, with as many different views as possible, take your own opinion, and cogitate for a while

Im not very good at interpediting the Bible, apparently i dont read it as much as i should.

There are millions of people who will be able to tell you the "right" way to interpret any particular passage. Chances are that in that group, you'll never get two answers exactly the same! So like I say, you mustn't let me or anyone else tell you what to think - if you want to do yourself possibly the best service possible, you should research anything you are unsure of. Ask people of different denominations, ask atheists, ask Jews, Muslims, the whole lot. It will be a lengthy process! But at the end of it, whatever you believe, you'll be able to say that you weren't just spoon fed it from a baby, you made your mind up based on information.

 

[jwu]

When people wrote the Bible it was through God, no interpetations took place.

2 Peter 1:20-21

20Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. 21For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

or does this apply to prophecys only?

This verse only mentions prophecies, as you already brought up.


But either way, what does "coming about by the prophet's own interpretation" mean? Just that the prophet wrote down what he was told to write down by God instead of using his own words.
We who read those passages still interprete them though, there is no way around that.

And also note that Peter simply might have been wrong when he wrote this. Of course, Jesus might have told him, but it also could have been nothing but his personal opinion.

Just read Gensesis, it says he created light/darkness...and seperated them. Then after each "day" it says, "Evening passed, and morning came". what isyour view on this?

But evening and morning are defined by the sun, aren't they? The sun however wasn't created until the third "day". It also talks about the moon being one of the two "great lights", but the moon merely reflects the light of the sun.
Another thing: On a spherical earth there is no global day/night change - it's always day somewhere and night somewhere else - but God is supposed to be omnipresent, so days and nights passing from His point of view make no sense here, unless this implies a flat earth with global days and nights.

In my view Genesis 1 is a narrative directed at bronze age shepherds which is supposed to convey that everything was created by God, but it was never intended as a literal history book. After all, they didn't even have a word for "billion" as in billions of years, and quantum physics and genetics might have confused them a little

 

[Markus6]

The last question that comes to my mind when thinking about the age of earth/evolution/the Bible is why Jesus was sent to us only 2k years ago? If humans have been around for so long, why 2k years ago?

Will even if the world is 6k years old Jesus came 2/3 of the way through history so you still have the same problem.

I think God did sent him then for a reason. It was the best time for him to come.

Just read Gensesis, it says he created light/darkness...and seperated them. Then after each "day" it says, "Evening passed, and morning came". what isyour view on this?
Im not very good at interpediting the Bible, apparently i dont read it as much as i should.

Days, evenings and mornings are all to do with movements of the sun. The sun was created on day 4 so there's quite an issue with taking these as literal days.

 

[TeddyKGB]

When people wrote the Bible it was through God, no interpetations took place.

The very act of transmuting ideas into words entails interpretation.

I know you would like to simply declare your position correct, but... you can't.

 

[FishFace]

The very act of transmuting ideas into words entails interpretation.

I know you would like to simply declare your position correct, but... you can't.

To be fair, pyro has at the very least given the impression of being open minded - he certainly doesn't appear to be declaring his position correct and saying that's the end of it.

 

[pyro214]

To be fair, pyro has at the very least given the impression of being open minded - he certainly doesn't appear to be declaring his position correct and saying that's the end of it.

true, definatly some room for other interperatations....the more i get into this, the possible situations seem to grow.

 

[philadiddle]

The last question that comes to my mind when thinking about the age of earth/evolution/the Bible is why Jesus was sent to us only 2k years ago? If humans have been around for so long, why 2k years ago?

before 2k years ago there were tens, or even hundreds of thousands of people who had existed. Since Jesus came there have been billions.

 

[truth above all else]

before 2k years ago there were tens, or even hundreds of thousands of people who had existed. Since Jesus came there have been billions.

so?

 

[pyro214]

One of the simplest is just counting the rings that are formed in, for example, antarctic ice sheets. Sort of like a tree, except these rings are on top of each other, each layer represents a year. Counting the layers, we get an initial minimum of around about 120,000 years.

wouldnt the ice sheets of melted during Noah's flood...?

 

[Valkhorn]

wouldnt the ice sheets of melted during Noah's flood...?

The truth is the evidence says there never was a global flood.

 

[FoeHammer]

..... BTW, there is no conflict between the Bible and evolution.

Romans 5:12
12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

The Bible teaches that a man brought death into the world, evolution teaches that death brought man into the world. I would say there is a major conflict between the two.

FoeHammer.

 

[ENominiPatri]

The Bible teaches that a man brought death into the world, evolution teaches that death brought man into the world. I would say there is a major conflict between the two.

FoeHammer.

Birth brought man into the world, what are you talking about?

Evolution teaches that life is diverse, wheree did you go to school?

 

[rmwilliamsll]

The Bible teaches that a man brought death into the world, evolution teaches that death brought man into the world. I would say there is a major conflict between the two.

FoeHammer.

no, a particular interpretation of the Scriptures, to wit modern AiG type of YECism proposes that there was no death before the fall. It consistently confuses the ethical significance of human spiritual death and the death of animals so that the problem for this special interpretation becomes why Adam and Eve didn't really die when they ate of the forbidden fruit. if death is death is death then why didn't they die as God promised?

 

[MewtwoX]

The Bible teaches that a man brought death into the world, evolution teaches that death brought man into the world. I would say there is a major conflict between the two.

FoeHammer.

Physical death, or Spiritual death?

 

[shernren]

The Bible teaches that a man brought death into the world, evolution teaches that death brought man into the world. I would say there is a major conflict between the two.

FoeHammer.

So when the Bible says:

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

how do you gloss over the bolded words?

 

[pyro214]

The truth is the evidence says there never was a global flood.

what evidence proves this?

 

[ENominiPatri]

what evidence proves this?

Ever taken a geology class? Don't you think a global flood that killed all life and carved out valleys would be quite a necessary lecture? It is conspicuously absent so it can therefore be conluded that geologists have found no evidence of a worldwide flood which explains the utter lack of a hypothesis mentioning such an occurrence. Due to there being no significant scientific consesus of such an event whatsoever, it is your burden to provide affirmative evidence to your claim that a global flood happened and when. You're gonna need a lot of shovels dawggg.

 

[FishFace]

wouldnt the ice sheets of melted during Noah's flood...?

Quite probably, and the arctic ice sheet would probably have been floated off. The fact that this has evidently not occurred is one of the pieces of evidence we have indicating that there was no global flood.