Interesting article on the 'deconversion' of a Young-Earth creationist

[crossnote]

I'm no longer posting in these so called 'science' areas, as all I get are warnings off 'Goading'. Have fun.

 

[Strathos]

Yup ... with a wrong answer.

If it is a wrong answer, it's the fault of a deceptive universe, as scientists are only reporting what is discovered in nature.

I don't buy the deceptive God theory.

 

[AV1611VET]

If it is a wrong answer, it's the fault of a deceptive universe,

What academia calls a "deceptive universe," we call a "fallen universe."

 

[essentialsaltes]

What academia calls a "deceptive universe," we call a "fallen universe."

But it's not 'broken' -- it tells a compelling story of a long history -- 15 billion years of astronomy, 5 billion years of geology, a couple billion years of biology.

 

[AV1611VET]

But it's not 'broken' -- it tells a compelling story of a long history -- 15 billion years of astronomy, 5 billion years of geology, a couple billion years of biology.

But, just like evolution, you're playing connect-the-dots with time as well.

That means if you should find a star a trillion light years out, you would automatically assume the universe is at least a trillion years old; even though you can't fill in those trillion years with anything.

 

[essentialsaltes]

But, just like evolution, you're playing connect-the-dots with time as well.

That's quite an assertion.

That means if you should find a start a trillion light years out, you would automatically assume the universe is at least a trillion years old; even though you can't fill in those trillion years with anything.

When we look at the White Cliffs of Dover, the chalk is made of the 'skeletons' of bajillions of dead animals. I can fill a lot of years with those creatures living and dying.

 

[AV1611VET]

When we look at the White Cliffs of Dover, the chalk is made of the 'skeletons' of bajillions of dead animals. I can fill a lot of years with those creatures living and dying.

So can Madison Avenue.

 

[Strathos]

What academia calls a "deceptive universe," we call a "fallen universe."

I don't see how that equates to a super detailed and consistent false history.

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't see how that equates to a super detailed and consistent false history.

I don't either.

Must not have been one.

In fact, I define embedded age as: maturity without history.

 

[Strathos]

I don't either.

Must not have been one.

In fact, I define embedded age as: maturity without history.

If you studied geology, biology, cosmology, etc. in any kind of depth, you'd realize that nature itself contains a record of events as clear as any history book, the majority of which would have to have never actually happened for your view to be correct.

 

[Ophiolite]

But it's not 'broken' -- it tells a compelling story of a long history -- 15 billion years of astronomy, 5 billion years of geology, a couple billion years of biology.

And what seems like an eternity of ignorant, ill-conceived, self serving, agenda driven, evidence free, foolish posts by certain members who shall be nameless, but sadly are not silent.

 

[AV1611VET]

And what seems like an eternity of ignorant, ill-conceived, self serving, agenda driven, evidence free, foolish posts by certain members who shall be nameless, but sadly are not silent.

I don't work for the Division of Evidence, chief.

I work for the Division of Records & Reporting.

I suggest if you want/need evidence that you go out there and find it.

And if you can't find it, then wait and let it come to you.

My job is to tell you what's in the Bible, not in the Earth.

When you do find evidence (assuming God wants you to), bring it to me/us and I'll/we'll run it through the pages of Scripture and give you a readout.

It's not your job to [finally] interpret it -- it's ours.

So find your evidence, make a preliminary interpretation, bring it to us with your recommendation, and we'll run it through the final stage and give you the Truth.

God's kingdom should be staffed with the right people, in the right place, doing the right things at the right time.

 

[essentialsaltes]

So can Madison Avenue.

I can't even call that a non sequitur.

Did the little creatures in the chalk live and die?

 

[AV1611VET]

Did the little creatures in the chalk live and die?

Yes ... but you can't fill in a trillion years of time with them, since algae didn't exist until 4004 BC.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Yes ... but you can't fill in a trillion years of time with them

Nor would I expect to, since that's longer than the earth has existed

since algae didn't exist until 4004 BC.

But we know (roughly) how rapidly sediments like this build up from the deaths of little critters. It's deposited on ocean floors at a rate on the order of a millimeter per year. So it would take a thousand years to make a meter's worth. And the Cliffs of Dover are 500 meters thick at some points.

That's 500,000 years of living and dying critters.

If there's only 6000 years of history, there's not enough time for all those critters to die. Especially when (in a different part of England) there are hill figures cut into the chalk that predate history, some likely 3000 years old. There just isn't time for critters to die, get pressed into dry chalk, lifted from the ocean floor, covered with dirt in time for ancient Englanders to carve these figures.

Either these chalk deposits are old, or the lives and deaths of these creatures didn't happen.

 

[AV1611VET]

Either these chalk deposits are old, or the lives and deaths of these creatures didn't happen.

Or God swept them into nice neat piles when He cleaned up the mess after the Flood.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Or God swept them into nice neat piles when He cleaned up the mess after the Flood.

"My job is to tell you what's in the Bible"

Is this divine cleanup of coccoliths something you can point to in the text as a part of your job?

 

[AV1611VET]

"My job is to tell you what's in the Bible"

Is this divine cleanup of coccoliths something you can point to in the text as a part of your job?

No ... and this is where my Boolean Standards come into play:

1. Bible says X, science says Ø = go with X
2. Bible says X, science says X = go with X
3. Bible says X, science says Y = go with X
4. Bible says Ø, science says Y = go with Y
5. Bible says Ø, science says Ø = speculate

 

[Strathos]

Or God swept them into nice neat piles when He cleaned up the mess after the Flood.

And made them look like they lived and died naturally over a span of hundreds of thousands of years?

 

[AV1611VET]

And made them look like they lived and died naturally over a span of hundreds of thousands of years?

Well ... given that no one has witnessed their rate of disintegration ...