Incest

[Marek]

Illegal and legal don't determine right and wrong-correct?

Correct. What's your point?

 

[Abbadon]

As long as they don't have children... I guess I won't interfere. I would find it a little creepy, but they really aren't doing any harm.

 

[John812]

First off, I would be concerned about their spirits. They would be sinning, so I would urge them to stop and repent. If they would not listen to me, then that is their choice, but they would be held responsible. As for what kind of contact I would have with them, Im not sure, I suppose only a person in that situation can say, because that is really extreme. If I would have to guess, I don't think I would want to speak with either of them if they continued.

Leviticus 18:9

"Do not have sexual relations with your sister, either your father's daughter or your mother's daughter, whether she was born in the same home or elsewhere."


God Bless!

 

[Thirst_For_Knowledge]

First off, I would be concerned about their spirits. They would be sinning, so I would urge them to stop and repent. If they would not listen to me, then that is their choice, but they would be held responsible. As for what kind of contact I would have with them, Im not sure, I suppose only a person in that situation can say, because that is really extreme. If I would have to guess, I don't think I would want to speak with either of them if they continued.

Leviticus 18:9

"Do not have sexual relations with your sister, either your father's daughter or your mother's daughter, whether she was born in the same home or elsewhere."


God Bless!

Accordingly to biblical belief, wouldn't someone have had sex with their brother or sister at some point? If so, why wasn't that wrong? (Slightly off topic, I know)

 

[levi501]

Incest is already illegal. We don't ask nicely. If they do have sex, there exists punishments for their actions. Just because they are married, doesn't mean they will have sex when they wouldn't if they weren't married.

So are you advocating allowing them to marry while at the same time saying that it should still be illegal for them to have sex?
Because otherwise I think it's careless of society to legalize sex between them when there is possibility of a pregnancy.

 

[Marek]

So are you advocating allowing them to marry while at the same time saying that it should still be illegal for them to have sex?
Because otherwise I think it's careless of society to legalize sex between them when there is possibility of a pregnancy.

Yes. It should be illegal for them to have sex if a pregnancy could result. I feel that they should have the option of steralization which could then allow them to have sex. But again, I think marriage and sex should be kept as separate issues.

 

[sparklecat]

First off, I would be concerned about their spirits. They would be sinning, so I would urge them to stop and repent. If they would not listen to me, then that is their choice, but they would be held responsible. As for what kind of contact I would have with them, Im not sure, I suppose only a person in that situation can say, because that is really extreme. If I would have to guess, I don't think I would want to speak with either of them if they continued.

Leviticus 18:9

"Do not have sexual relations with your sister, either your father's daughter or your mother's daughter, whether she was born in the same home or elsewhere."

Leviticus 19:19
"19 " 'Keep my decrees.

" 'Do not mate different kinds of animals.

" 'Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed.

" 'Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material. "


So why does yours still count and mine doesn't?

 

[levi501]

Yes. It should be illegal for them to have sex if a pregnancy could result. I feel that they should have the option of steralization which could then allow them to have sex. But again, I think marriage and sex should be kept as separate issues.

do we want to encourage people to enter into marriage for non romantic reasons... basically for partnerships to take advantage of tax and other benefits/rights?
Is it really reasonable to allow 2 people to marry and then tell them not to be intimate? Letting them get married is societies way aproving of them being together. I think it's reasonable to assume that with society condoning their relationship there comes a greater chance they'll act as other married people act. Banning incestual marriage is societies way of discouraging this type of behavior.

 

[Stormy]

Besides my being morally against the sexual side of the relationship...

As a parent, I would advise them of what they would be giving up.

I have two sisters and one brother. One of my brothers was killed in a crash. I remember the quarrels Richard and I got into as children, but he was always there when I needed help in a fight. My siblings and I are close. We check up on each other and are always there when one of us needs a hug, or a bit of cash, someone to laugh with, or a shoulder to cry on.

There are thousnds upon thousands of people that a person could marry. But only a very few that can feel the role of a brother. I would never give up my brother.

 

[sparklecat]

Besides my being morally against the sexual side of the relationship...

As a parent, I would advise them of what they would be giving up.

I have two sisters and one brother. One of my brothers was killed in a crash. I remember the quarrels Richard and I got into as children, but he was always there when I needed help in a fight. My siblings and I are close. We check up on each other and are always there when one of us needs a hug, or a bit of cash, someone to laugh with, or a shoulder to cry on.

There are thousnds upon thousands of people that a person could marry. But only a very few that can feel the role of a brother. I would never give up my brother.

Would it be necessarily losing a sibling? Married people often say that their spouse is not only their love, but also their best friend. No reason one should automatically void the other... it may well simply be a deeper, more fulfilling relationship for the couple.

 

[Stormy]

Would it be necessarily losing a sibling? Married people often say that their spouse is not only their love, but also their best friend. No reason one should automatically void the other... it may well simply be a deeper, more fulfilling relationship for the couple.

and if, and when, the marriage ends ... how many go back to being friends.

Sparklecat: Do you have a brother or sister? If you do, then you must understand that it is a precious relationship, that is far different from that of a spouse. If you choose one, you will loose the other.

 

[John812]

" 'Do not mate different kinds of animals.

This is a good law, I don't think people should be mating horses with cows, for example.

" 'Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed.

Well, usually when I drive through the country fields are planted with one kind of seed. I'm not a farmer, but I would imagine this has many advantages.

" 'Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material."

This one is a bit harder to understand, but I'm sure there is a good reason for it, or else it would not be a law.


Also, we have to take into account that Jesus cancelled out the law. Now, that doesn't mean that we discard the law, because the law is useful in telling us what is right and what things are wrong. Some specific laws were cancelled out, however, such as "an eye for an eye".

God Bless!

 

[sparklecat]

This is a good law, I don't think people should be mating horses with cows, for example.

Well, usually when I drive through the country fields are planted with one kind of seed. I'm not a farmer, but I would imagine this has many advantages.

This one is a bit harder to understand, but I'm sure there is a good reason for it, or else it would not be a law.

Also, we have to take into account that Jesus cancelled out the law. Now, that doesn't mean that we discard the law, because the law is useful in telling us what is right and what things are wrong. Some specific laws were cancelled out, however, such as "an eye for an eye".

God Bless!

Are all these things sins, though? If a farmer breeds a mule, plants some extra seed, or wears basically any modern clothing, is God then filled with anger at his filthy sin?


Would you stop speaking with a child because they persisted in wearing mixed fabrics?

 

[Thirst_For_Knowledge]

Again, I must ask. According to the bible, didn't someone have to have sex with a relative at some point, in your belief? And if this is the case, doesn't that mean that we all commit incest when we have sex with anyone?

 

[sparklecat]

and if, and when, the marriage ends ... how many go back to being friends.

Sparklecat: Do you have a brother or sister? If you do, then you must understand that it is a precious relationship, that is far different from that of a spouse. If you choose one, you will loose the other.

How many? No idea. I should hope that most realize how precious their friendship is and don't let hurt over the relationship or a desire for more than the other can give to ruin that as well. I know a few who have dated good friends and gone back to regular friendship with them, but I certainly can't give you any kind of statistic.

And yes, I have siblings. I don't see that one relationship must be at the expense of another.

 

[ChristianCenturion]

This is a good law, I don't think people should be mating horses with cows, for example.



Well, usually when I drive through the country fields are planted with one kind of seed. I'm not a farmer, but I would imagine this has many advantages.



This one is a bit harder to understand, but I'm sure there is a good reason for it, or else it would not be a law.


Also, we have to take into account that Jesus cancelled out the law. Now, that doesn't mean that we discard the law, because the law is useful in telling us what is right and what things are wrong. Some specific laws were cancelled out, however, such as "an eye for an eye".

God Bless!

Actually John812,

That is a common example that people whom aren't familiar with the OT use; whereas the sexual immorality laws (Leviticus 18) were shown to be a judgment of Gentiles and the law was given to both the Jew and apply to the non-Jew that dwelled among them, the other laws as the ones given there with breeding, planting, and clothing were only for the Jew. Apples and Oranges.
As far as the mixing of different materials, it was to be a constant reminder of the law that they were not to marry non-Jews, because just as the fabric when washed would tear apart due to different reactions in shrinking during wash, the mixing of religion would tear at their beliefs and their foundation in God would likewise fall apart. The Jewish law is for my learning, but I am not a Jew. Likewise, there were laws for the Levite Jew that did not apply to the non-Levite Jew. The sexual immorality law is not confined to only Jews.

 

[Thirst_For_Knowledge]

Actually John812,

That is a common example that people whom aren't familiar with the OT use; whereas the sexual immorality laws (Leviticus 18) were shown to be a judgment of Gentiles and the law was given to both the Jew and apply to the non-Jew that dwelled among them, the other laws as the ones given there with breeding, planting, and clothing were only for the Jew. Apples and Oranges.
As far as the mixing of different materials, it was to be a constant reminder of the law that they were not to marry non-Jews, because just as the fabric when washed would tear apart due to different reactions in shrinking during wash, the mixing of religion would tear at their beliefs and their foundation in God would likewise fall apart. The Jewish law is for my learning, but I am not a Jew. Likewise, there were laws for the Levite Jew that did not apply to the non-Levite Jew. The sexual immorality law is not confined to only Jews.

Umm, do you have any backing for anything that you have just said?

 

[ebonicsonly]

Correct. What's your point?

My point that works two ways.

 

[ChristianCenturion]

Again, I must ask. According to the bible, didn't someone have to have sex with a relative at some point, in your belief? And if this is the case, doesn't that mean that we all commit incest when we have sex with anyone?

The law is given to show what is right. God gave new law at different progression of man through time. Think of it as the rules for a 4 year old and the rules for a 16 year old. They may have some of the same; but as they grow, they will have more demanding laws and sometimes in reaction to their shown behavior at that stage. And the sexual immorality laws only went to close relatives or respect of father/mother, aunt/uncle.

 

[ChristianCenturion]

Umm, do you have any backing for anything that you have just said?

Sure, the OT and the NT.