Incest

[Zaac]

Isn't that adultery? Not to mention that the passage doesn't specifically say 'his father's wife' means his mother.

Does the passage gie any indication that it is okay to do this?

 

[levi501]

yah, we should if they can prove infertility.

give the guy a vasectomy... or tie the tubes of the woman.

*edit - oops didnt meant to quote myself... meant to edit.

 

[sparklecat]

I would not condone a sexual relationship unless one of them was sterized, the risk of accidentally having inbread children is too great.

If you had a child who was a dwarf who fell in love with another dwarf, would you also want one of them to be sterilized? IIRC, the death rate for a child of that union is much much higher on average than the chance for an incestuous relationship to result in a genetic problem to a child.

 

[Danhalen]

I'm curious. This is a little of topic but, if we allow gay marriages to be legal, then should we also include the legalization of marriages between brother and sister, mother and son, father and daughter, brother and brother, etc. It seems that we should. If not, what is the difference?

to follow your tangent, which i think is perfectly on topic, i think that there is a difference.

outlaw any incestual relationship that can produce offspring because of the possible transmission of genetic defects. we can not punish a child with genetic defects if we can take steps to prevent them. if the couple agrees to sterilization, then we can allow the marriage.

 

[Marek]

Do you know on what grounds incestuous marriages are illegal? If it's for moral reasons, I'd have no problem with legalizing this. If it's for reasons that the government actually has a right to make laws based upon, that might be different.

I guess they are illegal for the same reasons that gay marriages are illegal. I guess you could consider those moral reasons?

 

[sparklecat]

Does the passage gie any indication that it is okay to do this?

That it's ok to do what? Sleep with a non-blood relation?

 

[Danhalen]

If you had a child who was a dwarf who fell in love with another dwarf, would you also want one of them to be sterilized? IIRC, the death rate for a child of that union is much much higher on average than the chance for an incestuous relationship to result in a genetic problem to a child.

there is greater genetic variation between two dwarves than there is between siblings. it is an apple/oranges argument.

 

[Thirst_For_Knowledge]

If you had a child who was a dwarf who fell in love with another dwarf, would you also want one of them to be sterilized? IIRC, the death rate for a child of that union is much much higher on average than the chance for an incestuous relationship to result in a genetic problem to a child.

Another good point.

 

[sparklecat]

I guess they are illegal for the same reasons that gay marriages are illegal. I guess you could consider those moral reasons?

Yes. But incestuous marriages may be outlawed because of the chance of a deformed child, I don't know.

 

[Zaac]

I just know that ya'll are not on here trying to justify incest.

 

[Marek]

to follow your tangent, which i think is perfectly on topic, i think that there is a difference.

outlaw any incestual relationship that can produce offspring because of the possible transmission of genetic defects. we can not punish a child with genetic defects if we can take steps to prevent them. if the couple agrees to sterilization, then we can allow the marriage.

I agree with you, except I don't think that sterilization should be required. I think marriage and sex should be two separate issues. Although it should be illegal for anyone to engage in an 'incestual relationship that can produce offspring'.

 

[Fear]

If you had a child who was a dwarf who fell in love with another dwarf, would you also want one of them to be sterilized? IIRC, the death rate for a child of that union is much much higher on average than the chance for an incestuous relationship to result in a genetic problem to a child.

I think that would be a completely different situation, but it is a tough question. I would never make a decision for them. I think that if two drarfs understand the risk of having child with a genetic disease and understand the risks of having sex they should take necessary precautions, that's all. Same goes for sibblings.

 

[day2day]

Have you been watching passions ~~~ that soap ~`that is not right!!!! the boy& girl needs Jesus

 

[Fear]

Try to justify your opinion, don't just state it.

 

[wowbagger]

I think it is what Danhalen said. Social programming. Most people think homosexuality is wrong from a religious standpoint, which I guess could be considered a forum of social programming.

I think I'll have to give this some more thought.

Actually, I think incest is different than homosexuality for the basic fact that it is shown to be avoided in other primates. It seems evolution figured out that a male chimp needs to leave at maturity and join another group to mate with females not in his family. In bonobos the females leave to join other groups to avoid getting raped by their fathers (who, just like humans, sometimes cross the line). There is also a type of pigeon that even when you raise them apart, will still recognize the other as a sibling and will not mate.

So it would seems that the prevalence of "incest avoidance" in nature shows that it has a biological factor, just as homosexualtiy does. For humans we do this by growing up with our siblings, then our minds are programmed not to have sex with those people.

Someone who wants to have sex with a sibling they grew up with is odd because it really goes against normal human nature, whereas homosexuality, while not the norm, does not.

google "incest avoidance" and you should find some things.


In the end though, let them if they want to and hope it's just a phase.

 

[levi501]

I agree with you, except I don't think that sterilization should be required. I think marriage and sex should be two separate issues. Although it should be illegal for anyone to engage in an 'incestual relationship that can produce offspring'.

So are we going to ask them nicely to not have kids?
Pretty please don't have unsafe sex!
What the condom broke??!

 

[sparklecat]

there is greater genetic variation between two dwarves than there is between siblings. it is an apple/oranges argument.

This site deals with the chances for certain types of dwarfism to be passed on, and how they increase when both parents are dwarfs.

This site does the same (scroll down), though it also points out that it depends upon the reason those concerned are dwarfs.


This is all I've really found about the incest/genetics argument thus far; couldn't find a copy online of the article they talked about in it, but I'll keep looking.

 

[Marek]

So are we going to ask them nicely to not have kids?
Pretty please don't have unsafe sex!
What the condom broke??!

Incest is already illegal. We don't ask nicely. If they do have sex, there exists punishments for their actions. Just because they are married, doesn't mean they will have sex when they wouldn't if they weren't married.

 

[ebonicsonly]

American society tells me it's not okay but common sense had taught me when I have children to support them no matter what they choose to do. As long as it doesnt harm themselves or anyone I am going to be supportive.

 

[ebonicsonly]

Incest is already illegal. We don't ask nicely. If they do have sex, there exists punishments for their actions. Just because they are married, doesn't mean they will have sex when they wouldn't if they weren't married.

Illegal and legal don't determine right and wrong-correct?