In what states will recounts be requested?

[SimplyMe]

There is evidence the election laws are being broken, and ample evidence to call for a recount with scrutiny being placed on the ballots cast.

Are you going to make me repeat myself, what evidence?

 

[Gene2memE]

Seems to be a common theme to blame all things on some kid in his basement.... a hoax, even what is attested to as a conspiracy theory.

Uhhh, the site this popped up in calls itself "The Boogaloo Movement's Press Platform."

The social media accounts amplifying this rubbish are near universally far right linked with those engaged in the militia and white supremacist movements and QAnon.

I've got to be honest... makes me wonder why so many Democrats are focused on this Q person. Why are they so desperately smearing it like they focus on Trump?

They don't.

QAnon is the new flat earth. Literally. Nearly all the flat earthers have migrated to Q.

Also, in the words of Dan Olsen, its a "fascist, biblical, esoteric apocalypse cult"

It is supposed to be a conspiracy theory. Bigfoot. Aliens among us. Loch Ness monster. 9/11. Why all the attention?

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If you have a dog, and it produces a normal amount of poop at acceptable times and in acceptable locations, you don't give it much attention.

If you have a dog, and it poops everywhere, all the time, in massive volumes, it gathers attention.

 

[LostMarbels]

Are you going to make me repeat myself, what evidence?

This is happening... it isn't a question whether or not it might happen. It is happening. The question that remains is how are Democrats going to defend against the claims brought against them? This is going to court, and is going to remain in court. Biden hasn't won anything yet. He is being put in the place of defending the ballots cast for him.

 

[SimplyMe]

This is happening... it isn't a question whether or not it might happen. It is happening. The question that remains is how are Democrats going to defend against the claims brought against them? This is going to court, and is going to remain in court. Biden hasn't won anything yet. He is being put in the place of defending the ballots cast for him.

Interesting that you can't seem to give me an answer. Guess we'll see what happens over the next two months.

 

[LostMarbels]

Interesting that you can't seem to give me an answer. Guess we'll see what happens over the next two months.

It is as simple as looking. There are lawsuits everywhere. From private citizens to Government agencies. These lawsuits will have to be answered.

Just one example is poll observers. This is just one thing that is going to become a lawsuit that will lead to further litigation.

This isn't going to end... first off, why were poll watchers removed and/or blocked? So what were they hiding... and so on.... Democrats have 'a lot' to answer for.

 

[Goonie]

What about it?

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They are still counting in Georgia with Trump's majority cut to 600 votes.

 

[LostMarbels]

Uhhh, the site this popped up in calls itself "The Boogaloo Movement's Press Platform."

The social media accounts amplifying this rubbish are near universally far right linked with those engaged in the militia and white supremacist movements and QAnon.

Who cares?

Were the ballets just recently 'found' for Biden legal or not? That is my concern. Did the Democrats engage in voter fraud? That is my concern.

 

[SimplyMe]

It is as simple as looking. There are lawsuits everywhere. From private citizens to Government agencies. These lawsuits will have to be answered.

Just one example is poll observers. This is just one thing that is going to become a lawsuit that will lead to further litigation.

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This isn't going to end... first off, why were poll watchers removed and/or blocked? So what were they hiding... and so on.... Democrats have 'a lot' to answer for.

Except that lawsuit is over. They can now be up to 6 feet away. Sorry, that isn't voter fraud -- particularly since the Democratic observers also had to be that far away. I'm sorry, none of these has anything to do with voter fraud. I'll agree, if they aren't being given access then they should get their cases heard -- and apparently are, thought the other ones I've heard that have gone to court had no merit.

Who cares?

Were the ballets just recently 'found' for Biden legal or not? That is my concern. Did the Democrats engage in voter fraud? That is my concern.

What "found" ballots. The only "found ballots" I'm aware of was a mistake by a company that was posting election results, that was quickly corrected. I'll be interested if you have a different instance.

What I'm finding is that there are a lot of fake claims online, making the rounds on social media and right wing sites -- but none I've seen that allege fraud have any real basis, once you investigate them.

 

[Goonie]

Except that lawsuit is over. They can now be up to 6 feet away. Sorry, that isn't voter fraud -- particularly since the Democratic observers also had to be that far away. I'm sorry, none of these has anything to do with voter fraud. I'll agree, if they aren't being given access then they should get their cases heard -- and apparently are, thought the other ones I've heard that have gone to court had no merit.



What "found" ballots. The only "found ballots" I'm aware of was a mistake by a company that was posting election results, that was quickly corrected. I'll be interested if you have a different instance.

What I'm finding is that there are a lot of fake claims online, making the rounds on social media and right wing sites -- but none I've seen that allege fraud have any real basis, once you investigate them.

The 'found" ballots being the fact that States count in person votes first(which lean Trump) then mail on ballots that strongly lean Boden due to Covid.

 

[LostMarbels]

The 'found" ballots being the fact that States count in person votes first(which lean Trump) then mail on ballots that strongly lean Boden due to Covid.

It is very simple... if they were not cast in accordance to law they do not count. And we need to sue to that end. The ballots need to be either lawful, or discounted.

 

[SimplyMe]

The 'found" ballots being the fact that States count in person votes first(which lean Trump) then mail on ballots that strongly lean Boden due to Covid.

I will say, the one other issue I've seen is where people try to do the math between the "estimated vote counted" to figure out how many votes are left to count. Now, assuming they get the math correct, the issue is that states don't publish how many votes were cast total, so the total number of votes is an "estimate" by whatever organization is posting the results. Then if the organization "updates" their estimates of how many votes were cast or more votes are getting cast than that original estimate, they think there were votes "found" since the estimate doesn't match the actual vote count.

Of course, that doesn't indicate fraud, just that someone made bad estimates of the total votes cast in the state.

 

[SimplyMe]

It is very simple... if they were not cast in accordance to law they do not count. And we need to sue to that end. The ballots need to be either lawful, or discounted.

The simple fact, though, everyone wants that. I've not heard any actual reports that "illegal" votes have been counted. The closest would be Pennsylvania, where they have votes that arrived after election day that are postmarked by election day, but those aren't being counted -- and may never be counted.

At the moment, those votes are "legal" but disputed, pending the case by Republicans before the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court did not rule the votes invalid -- instead, it is likely the Court will hear this case in the next few days. If the Court rules they can't be counted, then they will be thrown out. If the Court doesn't rule that, then Pennsylvania will count the ballots and include them in the vote tally.

Of course, two reason to count the ballots is 1) that at the time people sent them, they sent them believing they cast legal ballots and 2) that the Post Office in Pennsylvania has been shown to have not to delivered ballots on time -- I'm not claiming fraud (though I'm sure some would), just inefficiency, and that many of those ballots, had the Post Office done their job, would have arrived on time.

 

[LostMarbels]

that at the time people sent them, they sent them believing they cast legal ballots )

That is inconsequential to the law. Illegally cast ballots need to be disallowed. Who's fault is it that someone doesn't vote in the legal manner?

and 2 that the Post Office in Pennsylvania has been shown to have not to delivered ballots on time

That is not the fault of the election process itself. Many people warned that might happen and advised people to go to the polls in person. Allowing such ballots provide no fail-safes whatsoever against fraudulent ballots.

If it is not legal... if it has a 'hanging chad'... it is discounted.

 

[LostMarbels]

 

[SimplyMe]

That is inconsequential to the law. Illegally cast ballots need to be disallowed. Who's fault is it that someone doesn't vote in the legal manner?

No, it really isn't. If you cast a vote with the current rules stating your vote would count, and then the rules changed after you cast your vote, that is disenfranchisement. That is what we are looking at here -- the rules currently say any votes that were mailed by election day should count -- so anyone that sent a ballot on election day in Pennsylvania 'cast' a legal ballot. How is it now fair to voters who cast legal ballots to, after the fact, rule their ballots invalid?

That is not the fault of the election process itself. Many people warned that might happen and advised people to go to the polls in person. Allowing such ballots provide no fail-safes whatsoever against fraudulent ballots.

If it is not legal... if it has a 'hanging chad'... it is discounted.

Sure it is. If you go to vote and the power goes out -- sorry, you can't vote because the machines won't work without power; is it fair that you won't be allowed to cast a ballot? How is that different, since you were free to come earlier in the day, or to vote early.

Add to that, say there was a Democrat that controlled the power grid and there are allegations that he cut the power just to stop people in strong Republican areas, from casting a vote? It seems odd that there are allegations that Trump's appointed Postmaster General has been slowing the mail in swing states while, at the same time, it is Trump's campaign suing to prevent these late arriving ballots from counting -- if this were Democrats, you'd be claiming fraud.

Of course, it is worse because a Federal Court had ordered the Post Office to sweep to find any ballots in Post Offices the day of the election, to ensure all ballots at the Post Office would be delivered before the deadline. The Post Office didn't do it, and tens of thousands of ballots, that were in Post Offices on time, were not delivered. Again, were this Democrats who did this, you'd be screaming about the voter fraud committed.

 

[SimplyMe]

Of course Trump said that. There had been all sorts of talk in the media about "red mirages" and "blue mirages" -- that one side would appear to have a huge lead early and slowly disappear, based on early and mail-in votes. It was known before the election that there would be a lot of mail in ballots and, depending on when the states counted those (if they do it post or pre election) that it would give Democrats or Republicans a big lead prior to in person voting -- which would be strongly Republican.

The only difference with Trump, despite everyone involved in the election knowing, for weeks, that the election would work that way this year, is that Trump attempted to turn it into a "conspiracy theory."

 

[LostMarbels]

No, it really isn't. If you cast a vote with the current rules stating your vote would count, and then the rules changed after you cast your vote, that is disenfranchisement. That is what we are looking at here -- the rules currently say any votes that were mailed by election day should count -- so anyone that sent a ballot on election day in Pennsylvania 'cast' a legal ballot. How is it now fair to voters who cast legal ballots to, after the fact, rule their ballots invalid?



Sure it is. If you go to vote and the power goes out -- sorry, you can't vote because the machines won't work without power; is it fair that you won't be allowed to cast a ballot? How is that different, since you were free to come earlier in the day, or to vote early.

Add to that, say there was a Democrat that controlled the power grid and there are allegations that he cut the power just to stop people in strong Republican areas, from casting a vote? It seems odd that there are allegations that Trump's appointed Postmaster General has been slowing the mail in swing states while, at the same time, it is Trump's campaign suing to prevent these late arriving ballots from counting -- if this were Democrats, you'd be claiming fraud.

Of course, it is worse because a Federal Court had ordered the Post Office to sweep to find any ballots in Post Offices the day of the election, to ensure all ballots at the Post Office would be delivered before the deadline. The Post Office didn't do it, and tens of thousands of ballots, that were in Post Offices on time, were not delivered. Again, were this Democrats who did this, you'd be screaming about the voter fraud committed.

You are getting into a whole huge hypothetical that has nothing at all to do with what I am saying. All legally cast ballots should count. All illegally cast ballots should be thrown out. I want it to go to court because I do not trust the Democrats to allow a fair process.

If people voted in accordance to the law then their vote will count. It's really that simple. I just do not believe the Democrats will not cheat in order to drag Biden across the finish line. People are absolutely desperate to remove Trump from office.

 

[SimplyMe]

You are getting into a whole huge hypothetical that has nothing at all to do with what I am saying. All legally cast ballots should count. All illegally cast ballots should be thrown out. I want it to go to court because I do not trust the Democrats to allow a fair process.

If people voted in accordance to the law then their vote will count. It's really that simple. I just do not believe the Democrats will not cheat in order to drag Biden across the finish line. People are absolutely desperate to remove Trump from office.

Take what into court? There is zero evidence of "illegal" votes being cast. Votes that are arriving late are invalidated -- though "late" is determined by state. Again, the closest you have to "late" ballots possibly counting is the votes that are part of the case before the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court will determine if they are "legal" or not.

 

[LostMarbels]

Take what into court? There is zero evidence of "illegal" votes being cast. Votes that are arriving late are invalidated -- though "late" is determined by state. Again, the closest you have to "late" ballots possibly counting is the votes that are part of the case before the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court will determine if they are "legal" or not.

I do not understand what you are attempting to do here... you keep acting as if this is criminal law. Suing for a supervised recount and review of counted ballots isn't the same thing you are talking about. These 'charges' you keep talking about would result from finding voter fraud.

 

[SimplyMe]

I do not understand what you are attempting to do here... you keep acting as if this is criminal law. Suing for a supervised recount and review of cast ballots isn't the same thing you are talking about. These 'charges' you keep talking about would result from finding voter fraud.

That's the issue, you don't "sue" for those things. Every state has laws that cover recounts and ballots. If you want a recount, first you (typically one of the campaigns) requests it -- but only if it meets one of the standards for requesting a recount. If you go to Ballotpedia, they have the recount laws for every state.

Most of the "review of cast ballot" is done by the observers during the vote count -- again, state law covers what they are allowed to see and do. There may be other times but, as a general rule, no one is allowed to "review" the ballots (some group of ballots) until after they have been counted, recounted if applicable, and the election is over and certified.

If you go to court, you are wanting access beyond what is allowable under state law -- and in that case you are going to need a good reason, including evidence, as to why you cannot follow the state law but require the courts to intervene.