In what states will recounts be requested?

[durangodawood]

Was there a rebellion in 2016 that I missed? Did the Army have to lay siege to the White House to pry Obama out of it?

Wait, here is a picture of Obama standing right there at Trump's inauguration. He does not appear to be in handcuffs.

Exactly.

And this headline from The Guardian, which was typical:

Hillary Clinton concedes presidential election to Donald Trump: 'We must accept this result'

 

[Bobber]

What?

Pretty much everyone acknowledged Trump as the genuine winner of the election. Many looked forward to a day when we dismantle the electoral college. But Trump was seen as the legally legit president all around by the rules we have.

There were no stupid lawsuits and only one recount demanded.... and that was by the Green party candidate.

Yes Jill Stein technically brought it about but the Dems with Hillary said they wanted to cooperate with it. She never rebuked Stein for bring it forth. Second electoral college individuals were pressured to change their vote. Did that seem like a peaceful transition of power? Plus a list of other things a mile long.

 

[Bobber]

Exactly.

And this headline from The Guardian, which was typical:

Hillary Clinton concedes presidential election to Donald Trump: 'We must accept this result'

She actually didn't say this the night of the election. and even after she did became a resister always leaving the impression that Trump was illegitimate. Sorry but that's not a real peaceful transfer of power.

 

[RDKirk]

Yes Jill Stein technically brought it about but the Dems with Hillary said they wanted to cooperate with it. She never rebuked Stein for bring it forth. Second electoral college individuals were pressured to change their vote. Did that seem like a peaceful transition of power? Plus a list of other things a mile long.

"Peaceful" would include requesting a recount. Happens frequently. As for "electoral college individuals were pressured to change their vote," I'd expect you to bring forth some evidence of that. And some of those other "mile long" things that would prove to be other than "peaceful."

 

[durangodawood]

She actually didn't say this the night of the election. and even after she did became a resister always leaving the impression that Trump was illegitimate. Sorry but that's not a real peaceful transfer of power.

Yeah it was. We have hindsight. No resistance. No obstructions. Accept it. Get on with life.

 

[RDKirk]

She actually didn't say this the night of the election. and even after she did became a resister always leaving the impression that Trump was illegitimate. Sorry but that's not a real peaceful transfer of power.

Trump claimed Obama was illegitimate during Obama's entire eight years.

 

[disciple Clint]

From what I can see now, Trump has indicated he will request a recount in Wisconsin. It is worth noting, unless noted, states require the campaign requesting the recount to pay the costs of the recount -- though they are "forgiven" or refunded if the winner of the election changes or (depending on state) if there is a "substantial" change in the vote count.

Michigan: It appears that the only way a recount can be requested in Michigan is if the Trump campaign alleges that some specific act of fraud or mistake, and that will only cause a recount in the precincts where the fault is alleged.

Arizona: Arizona will trigger an automatic recount if the vote count ends closer than 0.1% (one-tenth of one percent). There is no way to request a recount.

Nevada: It appears there are no requirements to request a recount, either side can request one -- in fact, it appears that any Nevada voter can request a recount.

Georgia: A recount can be requested if the vote ends up with a margin of 0.5% or less. Additionally, it appears Georgia is one of the few states that pays for the recount.

North Carolina: There is an automatic recount if an "error" is found by the state during the count. Additionally, the campaigns can request a recount if the vote total is less than 1%. North Carolina is another state where campaigns are not charged for requesting a recount.

Pennsylvania: If the margin is less than 0.5% there is an automatic recount. Otherwise, recounts can be requested with no requirements.

It will be interesting to see if any automatic recounts are triggered. Trump's campaign has said they will request a recount in Wisconsin, and I'm guessing they'll allege "irregularities" in Michigan to have a recount, with the only question is how much of the state they'll request recounts in. I also suspect if Trump ends Pennsylvania that they will request the recount.

Any guesses as to what other states recounts will be requested in?

Unfortunately this election is turning into and even larger mess than I had anticipated. I had little doubt that the courts were going to get involved because both parties had assembled large legal teams but honestly this has become a worst case scenario because it is so close that regardless of what the final determination is one half of our country is going to be convinced that they were cheated out of victory. This situation could turn into street fight, my hope would be that if the courts take their time the population will cool down and we can get past this as a nation without it becoming a major turning point in the history of our nation.

 

[Danthemailman]

Unfortunately this election is turning into and even larger mess than I had anticipated. I had little doubt that the courts were going to get involved because both parties had assembled large legal teams but honestly this has become a worst case scenario because it is so close that regardless of what the final determination is one half of our country is going to be convinced that they were cheated out of victory. This situation could turn into street fight, my hope would be that if the courts take their time the population will cool down and we can get past this as a nation without it becoming a major turning point in the history of our nation.

Regardless of who wins the election, you will probably hear cries of, "foul play" from the losing side (whoever it may be). I am so disgusted about how divided our nation is right now. There is way too much hate and division in America! People can say all they want about Trump, but I am way more concerned about having a liberal Democrat as President. I would be even more concerned if the Democrats controlled the house, the senate and the supreme court. If that ever happens, God help us!!! I also find it interesting how all the liberals, radicals, anti-Americans etc.. all unanimously hate Trump with a passion, which has always been a red flag for me.

 

[Bobber]

Trump claimed Obama was illegitimate during Obama's entire eight years.

So you're argument is because Trump has at one time leaned in favour of the birther movement , about Obama it justified the Dems not cooperating with a peaceful transfer of power? Even if Trump was wrong does two wrongs make a right? Shouldn't when HE or THEY go low we go HIGH kick into place? Or are those just nice sounding words with no substance?

 

[Bobber]

"Peaceful" would include requesting a recount. Happens frequently. As for "electoral college individuals were pressured to change their vote," I'd expect you to bring forth some evidence of that.

Few GOP electors swayed by pressure to switch their votes

 

[RDKirk]

Few GOP electors swayed by pressure to switch their votes

You don't know the difference between peace and war. I've actually been in the middle of a violent insurrection.

 

[cow451]

From what I can see now, Trump has indicated he will request a recount in Wisconsin. It is worth noting, unless noted, states require the campaign requesting the recount to pay the costs of the recount -- though they are "forgiven" or refunded if the winner of the election changes or (depending on state) if there is a "substantial" change in the vote count.

Michigan: It appears that the only way a recount can be requested in Michigan is if the Trump campaign alleges that some specific act of fraud or mistake, and that will only cause a recount in the precincts where the fault is alleged.

Arizona: Arizona will trigger an automatic recount if the vote count ends closer than 0.1% (one-tenth of one percent). There is no way to request a recount.

Nevada: It appears there are no requirements to request a recount, either side can request one -- in fact, it appears that any Nevada voter can request a recount.

Georgia: A recount can be requested if the vote ends up with a margin of 0.5% or less. Additionally, it appears Georgia is one of the few states that pays for the recount.

North Carolina: There is an automatic recount if an "error" is found by the state during the count. Additionally, the campaigns can request a recount if the vote total is less than 1%. North Carolina is another state where campaigns are not charged for requesting a recount.

Pennsylvania: If the margin is less than 0.5% there is an automatic recount. Otherwise, recounts can be requested with no requirements.

It will be interesting to see if any automatic recounts are triggered. Trump's campaign has said they will request a recount in Wisconsin, and I'm guessing they'll allege "irregularities" in Michigan to have a recount, with the only question is how much of the state they'll request recounts in. I also suspect if Trump ends Pennsylvania that they will request the recount.

Any guesses as to what other states recounts will be requested in?

Trump will request a recount anywhere he lost by a small margin (that law allows). I would do the same (but I would lock Rudy in a sound proof room).

 

[KCfromNC]

Yes Jill Stein technically brought it about but the Dems with Hillary said they wanted to cooperate with it. She never rebuked Stein for bring it forth. Second electoral college individuals were pressured to change their vote. Did that seem like a peaceful transition of power? Plus a list of other things a mile long.

Do any of the "mile long" list include violence? Because so far I'm not seeing how any of the examples you've come up with are anything but peaceful.

 

[KCfromNC]

Unfortunately this election is turning into and even larger mess than I had anticipated. I had little doubt that the courts were going to get involved because both parties had assembled large legal teams but honestly this has become a worst case scenario because it is so close that regardless of what the final determination is one half of our country is going to be convinced that they were cheated out of victory. This situation could turn into street fight, my hope would be that if the courts take their time the population will cool down and we can get past this as a nation without it becoming a major turning point in the history of our nation.

Much drama, very wow.

Come on, the election was just a few days ago. Have a bit of patience.

 

[KCfromNC]

Regardless of who wins the election, you will probably hear cries of, "foul play" from the losing side

That will be an improvement from 2016, where there were calls of foul play from the winner.

 

[SimplyMe]

Unfortunately this election is turning into and even larger mess than I had anticipated. I had little doubt that the courts were going to get involved because both parties had assembled large legal teams but honestly this has become a worst case scenario because it is so close that regardless of what the final determination is one half of our country is going to be convinced that they were cheated out of victory. This situation could turn into street fight, my hope would be that if the courts take their time the population will cool down and we can get past this as a nation without it becoming a major turning point in the history of our nation.

And yet a similar number of lawyers was used in the last elections. I can't seem to recall court cases about the last election, even though it was equally close -- with the difference between a Trump win and a Clinton win being a total of 70,000 votes. Nor do I recall "street fights" after the last election.

Already, it seems to have been a much more peaceful "transition" last time than this time -- and a winner hasn't even been declared this time.

 

[keith99]

What, in your opinion, is to happen to those 'ballots' that are on the wrong paper stock, having the incorrect security features? How do you think that should be handled in a court of law?

That becomes a significant problem. The knee jerk answer is to disallow them. But if they were put in the mailbox of unsuspecting people the kneejerk rewards those who did so.

Of course such a case has to surface before we can worry about the details.

 

[LostMarbels]

That becomes a significant problem. The knee jerk answer is to disallow them. But if they were put in the mailbox of unsuspecting people the kneejerk rewards those who did so.

Of course such a case has to surface before we can worry about the details.

We already knew this was going to go down this way. We just have to push thru. The fight will never stop as Trumps pursuers will never relent.

Onto your point... I simply do not care. If the votes are illegal they do not get counted. We have had 'hanging chads' invalidate votes before. I honestly believe it is high time to fight fire with thermobaric-napalm.

*Insert checks and balances speech*

*Insert self-righteous moral high ground selective outrage*

 

[adrianmonk]

Onto your point... I simply do not care. If the votes are illegal they do not get counted. We have had 'hanging chads' invalidate votes before. I honestly believe it is high time to fight fire with thermobaric-napalm.

Of course such a case has to surface before we can worry about the details.

Are you talking about this point ?

 

[LostMarbels]

Are you talking about this point ?

No:

The knee jerk answer is to disallow them. But if they were put in the mailbox of unsuspecting people the kneejerk rewards those who did so.