In Guns We Trust

[brinny]

I would dare say that the cowards are mostly on the side of those who have to have weapons for defense against evil. As far as having authority to do what I am doing it from God Himself as it was for all the prophets, early Christians, and the Apostles. Have you read that we cities on a hill that cannot be hidden or that we are not to put our lamp under a basket? Please tell me where you get your authority from if not from Christ?

God grants wisdom, discernment, and clarity. We are to be wise and just and discerning. We do not allow injustice to prevail and contribute to lawlessness and bow down to evil.

God abhors evil and the shedding of innocent blood.

We are not to stand-by as evil prevails and innocent blood is shed.

What are the 7 things God hates?

In addition, what did Jesus do when He found corruption in the Temple by the money-changers?

 

[SteveIndy]

I was speaking of self defense, and protecting, in particular, one's family.

To bow down to evil and allow innocent blood to be shed is abhorrent in God's eyes.

It's an egregious sin to allow it if one has the means to protect those dependent on you for protection from evil.

it could even be a form of a "sacrifice" to evil, to allow it. The "sacrifice" being the innocents who were brutally murdered and sacrificed to the god of this world, while someone who had the means to stop it, didn't.

It is written that we are to speak up for and defend those who are helpless.

To not do so is hard-hearted, cold-blooded and evil.

It's the most grievous of sins.

Matthew 5:39 "Do not resist the evil person." Wasn't Jesus innocent? Was the death of Jesus abhorrent in God's eyes? In Romans 12:1 we are commanded by God Himself to offer ourselves as living sacrifices which is our reasonable duty. There is no better protection that any person can provide for their family and loved ones than to introduce them to Jesus and bring them under the protective cover of His blood.

No one would fault you for speaking up for the innocent and you would be greatly applauded by God and the angels if you laid down your own life for them, do this by all means.

 

[dqhall]

So you would run away from the rapist and murderer who was raping and murdering your wife and daughter?


Please. Nobody in this thread has suggested any such thing.
So, if, as you say, police officers are of this world and Christians are not of this world, are you saying that police officers are not Christians?

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There have been few murders in my county. I do not need weapons and boxes of ammo. I paid my taxes and locked my doors. Most thefts occurred when people did not lock their doors.

Many English police do not carry weapons. Their murder rate is lower because fewer people carry guns. Gun control laws lowered the murder rate. People who relied on guns instead of God were going down the wrong road. If you do not want rape, elect sexually moral politicians.

I remember Jesus did not call for armed conflict against those trying to kill him. He went to the cross for opposing the wicked priests. He was raised again.

 

[TCassidy]

Still dodging the questions, I see.

 

[brinny]

Matthew 5:39 "Do not resist the evil person." Wasn't Jesus innocent? Was the death of Jesus abhorrent in God's eyes? In Romans 12:1 we are commanded by God Himself to offer ourselves as living sacrifices which is our reasonable duty. There is no better protection that any person can provide for their family and loved ones than to introduce them to Jesus and bring them under the protective cover of His blood.

No one would fault you for speaking up for the innocent and you would be greatly applauded by God and the angels if you laid down your own life for them, do this by all means.

See post #41, in particular, the last two questions.

 

[TCassidy]

Their murder rate is lower because fewer people carry guns.

Great Britain has a violent crime rate 5 times that of the US.

 

[brinny]

Great Britain has a violent crime rate 5 times that of the US.

i agree. There's also a drastic rise in acid attacks, and the use of knives, etc.

And it's growing as we speak.

 

[brinny]

There have been few murders in my county. I do not need weapons and boxes of ammo. I paid my taxes and locked my doors. Most thefts occurred when people did not lock their doors.

Many English police do not carry weapons. Their murder rate is lower because fewer people carry guns. Gun control laws lowered the murder rate. People who relied on guns instead of God were going down the wrong road. If you do not want rape, elect sexually moral politicians.

I remember Jesus did not call for armed conflict against those trying to kill him. He went to the cross for opposing the wicked priests. He was raised again.

Do you call the police if there is a crime occurring?

Are there ever any break ins? Break ins meaning it doesn't matter if your doors are locked or not. Someone is violently "intruding" into a home by force, usually with a weapon.

 

[section9+1]

I would dare say that the cowards are mostly on the side of those who have to have weapons for defense against evil. As far as having authority to do what I am doing it from God Himself as it was for all the prophets, early Christians, and the Apostles. Have you read that we cities on a hill that cannot be hidden or that we are not to put our lamp under a basket? Please tell me where you get your authority from if not from Christ?

I'm afraid you're going to have to stick it. I will stand before God with my views, so what are you kicking about?

 

[TCassidy]

Most thefts occurred when people did not lock their doors.

But we are not talking about theft. We are talking about rape and murder. Rape and violent sexual assault in the UK occur at almost twice the rate as in the US.

 

[SteveIndy]

I get my authority from Christ, the Author of the Bible. I already posted the command to arm ourselves, which you rejected. And Romans 13:1 makes it clear my authority comes from God Himself.

But those who refuse to accept God's command to provide for his household are considered worse than unbelievers.

1Tim 5:8 But if anyone doesn’t provide for his own, and especially his own household, he has denied the faith, and is worse than an unbeliever.

You have read into Romans 13:1 more than is allowed. God has ordained governments for the purpose of keeping the peace. Nebuchadnezzar and Cyrus were not saved yet they were Gods ministers to rule unsaved people. The governments of this world are God's tools for keeping this world upright until the time of the end. They are run by unsaved people to govern unsaved people. Christian are only subject to God and His rule; doesn't Scripture tell us that we cannot serve two masters? Then why do Christians pretend that they can serve two masters? Who are they kidding? If they choose to serve the government then they are subject to the prince of this world. God has given us one constitution and this world has a different constitution and you must choose which one you will obey; you can't have it both ways. If you say you choose God then act in the world as a citizen of this world then you are a liar and forfeit your claim as a citizen of Heaven. Many, many past Christians understood this and gave their life to show their allegiance to Christ. "They look for a city with foundations whose builder and maker is God." Now, tell me, who were the cowards, those who obeyed Christ or those who used guns, knives, and swords to protect themselves?

 

[TCassidy]

You have read into Romans 13:1 more than is allowed. God has ordained governments for the purpose of keeping the peace.

Yes, I know. That is the point.

They are run by unsaved people to govern unsaved people.

So you are saying that I am unsaved!

Then why do Christians pretend that they can serve two masters?

I don't know. Why do you serve only self and refuse to protect your family?

Are you ever going to answer my questions or are you going to continue to refuse to answer?

1Tim 5:8 But if anyone doesn’t provide for his own, and especially his own household, he has denied the faith, and is worse than an unbeliever.

 

[SteveIndy]

But we are not talking about theft. We are talking about rape and murder. Rape and violent sexual assault in the UK occur at almost twice the rate as in the US.

If you are looking for reasons to disobey God you still haven't found it and it is likely to get much worse; still, we must obey Christ. If we put our families or anything before Christ then we are not worthy of Him, not my words, they are His.

 

[brinny]

Matthew 5:39 "Do not resist the evil person." Wasn't Jesus innocent? Was the death of Jesus abhorrent in God's eyes? In Romans 12:1 we are commanded by God Himself to offer ourselves as living sacrifices which is our reasonable duty. There is no better protection that any person can provide for their family and loved ones than to introduce them to Jesus and bring them under the protective cover of His blood.

No one would fault you for speaking up for the innocent and you would be greatly applauded by God and the angels if you laid down your own life for them, do this by all means.

It is not of God to be faced with the uncertainty and indecision, conflict, and angst that inevitably ensues in a deadly crisis if one is not prepared and hides ones head in the sand, based on misnomers or myths about what God Himself taught/teaches in His Word. Jesus was the living embodiment of it all. Jesus was not a passive pacifist. He certainly wasn't when He did WHAT to drive the money changers out of the Temple? And what all did He do?

The living God, El Elyon, God Most High, is HOLY is He not? Therefore He expresses wrath, a holy wrath, that Jesus Himself demonstrated.

Did Jesus sin?

God HATES injustice and the shedding of innocent blood. Those who allow it, doing nothing, has the innocent one's blood on their hands, for they have colluded with evil to deny justice for the one's whose blood was spilled. It is written that the spilled blood of the innocents "cries out" to God, and that He WILL recompense.

 

[TCassidy]

If you are looking for reasons to disobey God you still haven't found it and it is likely to get much worse;

Why do you continue to look for reasons to disobey God?

If we put our families or anything before Christ then we are not worthy of Him, not my words, they are His.

Why do you continue to disobey His word?

1Tim 5:8 But if anyone doesn’t provide for his own, and especially his own household, he has denied the faith, and is worse than an unbeliever.

 

[brinny]

If you are looking for reasons to disobey God you still haven't found it and it is likely to get much worse; still, we must obey Christ. If we put our families or anything before Christ then we are not worthy of Him, not my words, they are His.

God is NEVER on the side of evil.

 

[brinny]

@SteveIndy , Pacifism is not of God. It is an idol.

 

[SteveIndy]

Yes, I know. That is the point.


So you are saying that I am unsaved!
I don't know. Why do you serve only self and refuse to protect your family?

Are you ever going to answer my questions or are you going to continue to refuse to answer?

1Tim 5:8 But if anyone doesn’t provide for his own, and especially his own household, he has denied the faith, and is worse than an unbeliever.

Paul is not telling Timothy in this letter that it is okay to kill someone. He is simply saying that a man needs to provide food and a place to live for his family by working. He is not saying to put your trust in guns or swords. Paul, himself said that the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but spiritual. None of the Apostles ever carried weapons of self-defense and the primitive Church understood that and forbade that and even excommunicated those who wanted to join the military. All the early believers were plainly told that their conversion would expose them to persecution and they gave up their right to self-defense and many paid to price of true fellowship with Christ, something that not many are willing to do today.

 

[section9+1]

Christianity has become a woman's faith and a woman's philosophy. Women are the thinkers and the doers and it is men's fault mostly that it has happened thus since most men are willing to let someone else do the work and women will do it. So this is what you wind up with. Take the men and turn them into women.

 

[brinny]

Christianity has become a woman's faith and a woman's philosophy. Women are the thinkers and the doers and it is men's fault mostly that it has happened thus since most men are willing to let someone else do the work and women will do it. But this is what you wind up with. Take the men and turn them into women.

Although there were a few women in the Bible who were righteous, courageous, and rose to the occasion. For instance Deborah, a judge and a prophet. The captain of the army came to her and said that he would not go to face down the enemy and fight them unless she came with him.

So she did.

The enemy was walloped.

She was a Godly and courageous woman.