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In God's Image

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The image of god?

The image of god is created in the image of men.
Everyone knows that men have big ego's so surely any god they make up is going to be very similar to themselves.

This explains why god's behavior in the bible is so much like our own. Although obviously 10 times bigger, better, faster and stronger. (Daft Punk reference for the win :p)

- Ectezus
 
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Be careful. Don't forget the creature reflects its creator. That is what the "God's image" means.

So, what can you say about the creator based on the image of this alien? Could it be an overweighted person?

That it's an image based on an image of God then ?
If the creator of that image was created in the image of God, then that image is based on an image of God.
 
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Image is the expression of an idea. Image is not the real thing. this is why we have something called the resolution of an image.
Can you imagine the form of an alien? If you can, that is an image.
So what an image represents is both physical and spiritual in nature (just like your imagination of the alien). But it is only an image, not the real thing. It is close, but not close enough.

I agree. Basically Socrates/Plato. The image of a circle is closer to reality/truth then a circle we might see an every day encounter. That circle has imperfection, while the image of a circle in our head or our idea of a circle transcends this mundane reality and lacks these imperfections. The idealization of a circle is more perfect and truer then any circle one could make in the physical world.
 
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Follow my lead and do not derail. Your post would be safe.

actually no. the mods have told with in explicit detail that their is no language i can use to discuss this particular aspect of gods image/nature. nice try.
 
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I agree. Basically Socrates/Plato. The image of a circle is closer to reality/truth then a circle we might see an every day encounter. That circle has imperfection, while the image of a circle in our head or our idea of a circle transcends this mundane reality and lacks these imperfections. The idealization of a circle is more perfect and truer then any circle one could make in the physical world.
It seems, then, that God is the idealistic image of man. God is what every man wishes he had for himself; knowledge, power, authority, the love of every living being, immortality, and invincibility...

hot damn.
 
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It seems, then, that God is the idealistic image of man. God is what every man wishes he had for himself; knowledge, power, authority, the love of every living being, immortality, and invincibility...

hot damn.

yup, pretty much.
 
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That it's an image based on an image of God then ?
If the creator of that image was created in the image of God, then that image is based on an image of God.

Good point. The creator of the image has a good imagination. And if he is fat, then probably he could not resist temptation.
 
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actually no. the mods have told with in explicit detail that their is no language i can use to discuss this particular aspect of gods image/nature. nice try.

You got me on this one. :confused:
 
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It seems, then, that God is the idealistic image of man. God is what every man wishes he had for himself; knowledge, power, authority, the love of every living being, immortality, and invincibility...

hot damn.

You got the fact, but not the reason. The question is simple: why does every human being (isolated or not) have a space in his mind for God? I don't think this is true for animals.
 
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You got the fact, but not the reason. The question is simple: why does every human being (isolated or not) have a space in his mind for God? I don't think this is true for animals.

Would you care to back either of those contentions up?

1. Space for God in the mind: humans are curious and often resort to coming up with explanations for the unexplained. That might explain why people, all over the planet, have come up with an almost infinite variety of gods, god or goddesses or powers. If there is something to be revealed about the nature of God because of this "space" it would seem to be that, in isolation, no one comes up with the same conception of ultimate truth as another in isolation.

2. True for Animals: how, exactly, do you know what is "true" for animals? Do you talk to and communicate with the animals?
 
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It seems, then, that God is the idealistic image of man. God is what every man wishes he had for himself; knowledge, power, authority, the love of every living being, immortality, and invincibility...

hot damn.

Yeah. I've seen a few good sigs in this vein...the best ones were:

"God made man in his own image, and man in his generosity returned the favour."

and

"You know you've made God in your own image when He hates all same things as you."
 
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2. True for Animals: how, exactly, do you know what is "true" for animals? Do you talk to and communicate with the animals?
I try. They usually either run/fly away or stare at me real hard and then run/fly away. I'm misunderstood :cry:

To be fair, juvenissun did say he didn't think it was true for animals. There's room for uncertainty at least in the letter, if not the spirit :)

BTW, I like the Platonist thing juvenissun and Moonlancer came up with. Just to say something vaguely connected to the topic :D
 
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Yeah. I've seen a few good sigs in this vein...the best ones were:

"God made man in his own image, and man in his generosity returned the favour."

and

"You know you've made God in your own image when He hates all same things as you."

That is why Yahweh is the true God. Do you know any other religion which has a monotheistic god of unknown form? Human will not create such a god.
 
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That is why Yahweh is the true God. Do you know any other religion which has a monotheistic god of unknown form? Human will not create such a god.
Well, Allah does spring to mind right away...
 
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That is why Yahweh is the true God. Do you know any other religion which has a monotheistic god of unknown form? Human will not create such a god.

unknown form? he looks like man. it says he made man in his own image, or rather man made god in his own image.
 
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unknown form? he looks like man. it says he made man in his own image, or rather man made god in his own image.

Joh 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known.

In here, "him" refers to Jesus. If we know the form of god, we will find a way to show that god, like what non-Christians did.
 
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Joh 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known.

In here, "him" refers to Jesus. If we know the form of god, we will find a way to show that god, like what non-Christians did.

this quote doesn't support your idea that god has some sort of unknown form. he has a human form because the bible claims man was created in his image.
 
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Just out of curiosity... for those of you who take Genesis literally, what do you suppose the assertion that we are "made in God's image" actually means? Does God have two arms, two legs, ten fingers, etc.? Where do the similarities end? Does God have an appendix, wisdom teeth, a tailbone, and other vestigial organs?
Or perhaps it means that we were created not in God's physical image, but in his spiritual image (high intelligence, spiritual accountability, dominance over animals, etc.)? I'd like to hear what you all think.

Free will. I think Jesus only assumed a man's body when He came to die for us, and save mankind.
 
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That is why Yahweh is the true God. Do you know any other religion which has a monotheistic god of unknown form? Human will not create such a god.


Some argue that there are various forms of monotheism, including:
  • Henotheism involves devotion to a single God while accepting the existence of other gods. Similarly, monolatrism is the worship of a single deity independent of the ontological claims regarding that deity.
  • Theism a term that refers to the belief in the existence of God or a divine being.
  • Deism is a form of monotheism in which it is believed that one God exists. However, a deist rejects the idea that this God intervenes in the world.
  • Monistic Theism is the type of monotheism found in Hinduism, encompassing pantheistic and panentheistic monism, and at the same time the concept of a personal God.
  • Pantheism holds that the Universe itself is God. The existence of a transcendent supreme extraneous to nature is denied.
  • Panentheism, is a form of monistic monotheism which holds that God is all of existence, containing, but not identical to, the Universe. The 'one God' is omnipotent and all-pervading, the universe is part of God, and God is both immanent and transcendent.
  • Substance monotheism, found in some indigenous African religions, holds that the many gods are different forms of a single underlying substance.
On the surface, monotheism is in contrast with polytheism, which is the worship of several deities. Polytheism is however reconcilable with Inclusive monotheism, which claims that all deities are just different names or forms for the single God. This approach is common in Hinduism, e.g. in Smartism. Exclusive monotheism, on the other hand, actively opposes polytheism. Monotheism is often contrasted with theistic dualism (ditheism). However, in dualistic theologies as that of Gnosticism, the two deities are not of equal rank, and the role of the Gnostic demiurge is closer to that of Satan in Christian theology than that of a diarch on equal terms with God (who is represented in pantheistic fashion, as Pleroma).
Christian orthodox traditions (Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholic, Protestant, and Evangelical) follow this decision, which was codified in 381 and reached its full development through the work of the Cappadocian Fathers. They consider God to be a triune entity, called the Trinity, comprised of the three "Persons" God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, the three of this unity are described as being "of the same substance" ([[ousia|ὁμοούσιος]]). The true nature of an infinite God, however, is beyond definition, and "the word 'person' is but an imperfect expression of the idea. In common parlance it denotes a separate rational and moral individual, possessed of self-consciousness, and conscious of his identity amid all changes. Experience teaches that where you have a person, you also have a distinct individual essence. Every person is a distinct and separate individual, in whom human nature is individualized. But in God there are no three individuals alongside of, and separate from, one another, but only personal self distinctions within the Divine essence, which is not only generically, but also numerically, one."[15]

Some critics contend that the Trinity originated in the Pagan Celtic tradition, in which many gods and goddesses were tripartite, and that its incorporation into Christianity is a corruption of the original doctrines, similar to the adoption of many Pagan gods and goddesses such as Brigid as Christian Saints. Other critics contend that because of the adoption of a tripartite conception of deity, Christianity is actually a form of Tritheism or Polytheism. This concept dates from the teachings of the Alexandrian Church, which claimed that Jesus, having appeared later in the Bible than his "Father," had to be a secondary, lesser, and therefore "distinct" God. This controversy led to the convention of the Nicean council in 325 CE. For Jews and Muslims, the idea of God as a trinity is heretical - it is considered akin to polytheism. Christians overwhelmingly assert that monotheism is central to the Christian faith, as the very Nicene Creed (among others) which gives the orthodox Christian definition of the Trinity does begin with: "I believe in one God".
 
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