Important Facts about Evolution

[toolmanjantzi]

I think it can be at least to a degree. For myself, I looked at a number of faiths but the teachings of Christ pulled on me so I feel I chose to worship the Christian God and Christ out of my free will. I have no need to "prove" the existence of God. To me it is pure faith and nothing else and that resonates with me, feels right and I find myself with a very comfortable with God and his son. That is enough for me. Dizredux

You sound very happy with yourself. I'm happy for you. I noticed you stated God and his son. Was Jesus God?

 

[PsychoSarah]

You sound very happy with yourself. I'm happy for you. I noticed you stated God and his son. Was Jesus God?

I my opinion, no.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

So basically, where free will would really matter to our salvation it doesn't apply. As if that is fair and just.

Can you reword what you mean by your question? I would like to answer it better .

 

[PsychoSarah]

Can you reword what you mean by your question? I would like to answer it better .

I never actually asked a question. Only statements I think so far. Or redundant questions.

You have stated belief isn't a choice. Well if something isn't a choice, then free will doesn't apply to it.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

I my opinion, no.

You are practicing your free will. But can I advise you that if one were to not fully believe that Jesus is Lord; likely they can't answer why they believe Jesus was not God. This is called being blind to the truth. To prove it. Tell me why Jesus was not God and why your very sure of it?

 

[toolmanjantzi]

I never actually asked a question. Only statements I think so far. Or redundant questions. You have stated belief isn't a choice. Well if something isn't a choice, then free will doesn't apply to it.

Belief in God or Faith is a gift from God. Belief in the tooth fairy is free will being practiced. Sorry I meant belief in God.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

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[PsychoSarah]

You are practicing your free will. But can I advise you that if one were to not fully believe that Jesus is Lord; likely they can't answer why they believe Jesus was not God. This is called being blind to the truth. To prove it. Tell me why Jesus was not God and why your very sure of it?

Reasons I think Jesus is not god:

Bible: actually, the bible goes back and forth with this, some verses suggesting Jesus is god, with others clearly suggesting the opposite without much imagination.

In addition, Jesus, as a truly frail, not all powerful being, is more meaningful in his efforts than were he just an extension of an omnipotent being. It makes his sacrifices more real, because as a being which isn't god his loses would have more permanence, in comparison to being an entity which could easily choose to undo any loss.

Historic: many people have claimed to be descended from deities or deities themselves, so the claim itself isn't meaningful in the consideration.

And never underestimate the human tendency to exaggerate, the Jews at the time had better medical practices than most other groups, which might make the treatments given by Jesus seem like "miracles" because they actually worked as opposed to blood letting, etc. Turning water into wine is an easy parlor trick.

Personal reasons: I don't believe in deities, so it wouldn't make much sense for me to view Jesus as a god now would it?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Belief in God or Faith is a gift from God. Belief in the tooth fairy is free will being practiced. Sorry I meant belief in God.

You can't choose to be given the gift if it is never offered to begin with

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Reasons I think Jesus is not god: Bible: actually, the bible goes back and forth with this, some verses suggesting Jesus is god, with others clearly suggesting the opposite without much imagination. In addition, Jesus, as a truly frail, not all powerful being, is more meaningful in his efforts than were he just an extension of an omnipotent being. It makes his sacrifices more real, because as a being which isn't god his loses would have more permanence, in comparison to being an entity which could easily choose to undo any loss. Historic: many people have claimed to be descended from deities or deities themselves, so the claim itself isn't meaningful in the consideration. And never underestimate the human tendency to exaggerate, the Jews at the time had better medical practices than most other groups, which might make the treatments given by Jesus seem like "miracles" because they actually worked as opposed to blood letting, etc. Turning water into wine is an easy parlor trick. Personal reasons: I don't believe in deities, so it wouldn't make much sense for me to view Jesus as a god now would it?

As a unbeliever; it would not make sense.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

You can't choose to be given the gift if it is never offered to begin with

It's offered to you right now.

 

[bhsmte]

Good gibber.

The gibberish is usually quite lame, but that's just my opinion.

 

[bhsmte]

No, belief in God is not based on personal choice.

It's not? please expand on this.

 

[bhsmte]

It's offered to you right now.

What is being offered and by whom?

 

[BL2KTN]

No Hitler told the Jews they were showers and then gased them.

Jesus sends someone like me to tell you about the gas chambers; and you freely choose ignorance and close the shower door behind you.

Big difference.

Yahweh doesn't send people to gas chambers. He sends them to be set on fire for a trillion years. That makes Hitler like Ghandi in comparison. Besides, if your religion is true, I was saved when I was 12, so I won't be set on fire. That said, I probably won't be happy in heaven knowing that people are being ignited forever when it's a completely unnecessary punishment. And if Yahweh covers up that knowledge from me, well then he's a deceptive liar.

 

[PsychoSarah]

It's offered to you right now.

If it was, I wouldn't be an atheist

 

[EternalDragon]

If it was, I wouldn't be an atheist

John 316 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

The gibberish is usually quite lame, but that's just my opinion.

Thumbs to the lame gibberish.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

It's not? please expand on this.

Man in his fallen state would not choose God let alone believe in him. The Holy Spirit opens the eyes and ears of the believer that they should accept the truth by the hearing of the gospel; and turn from their sin.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Yahweh doesn't send people to gas chambers. He sends them to be set on fire for a trillion years. That makes Hitler like Ghandi in comparison. Besides, if your religion is true, I was saved when I was 12, so I won't be set on fire. That said, I probably won't be happy in heaven knowing that people are being ignited forever when it's a completely unnecessary punishment. And if Yahweh covers up that knowledge from me, well then he's a deceptive liar.

Fallen man chooses his eternal destination. If that was not so, then why do you judge God?