Important Facts about Evolution

[dad]

Are you here to make reasonable people of faith look silly?

Reasonable faith still has to be faith. That is from God and the things of God are foolishness (silly) to the world.

 

[bhsmte]

I wonder how many of you guys had faith at one time, but couldn't defend it in light of science; so now you're here, trying to make it look like we can't defend our faith either?

AV,

I have a graduate degree in a science related field and believed for a good 20 years after earning that degree, so defending the belief in regards to science had zero to do with not believing in Christianity any longer.

Looking deep into the bible though (specifically the NT), was what started the ball rolling and then taking another look at the claims of Christianity and the definition of the Christian God and comparing that to the realities of the world. They couldn't be reconciled any further for me and I don't play pretend belief games with myself.

And, I am here for intellectual conversation, entertainment and observing the psychology involved in the posters on this board, which I find highly intriguing.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Obviously not enough. Your theology has errors not the bible. First example of that is the fact you think I can tell you anything to make you a believer; yet at the same time you believe your disbelief is due to your wisdom.

1 Corinthians 1:27 (KJV) But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

And yes, god effortfully makes intelligent people and people who seek to understand the world confused. Because, you know, that is ever so productive.

 

[AV1611VET]

AV,

I have a graduate degree in a science related field and believed for a good 20 years after earning that degree, so defending the belief in regards to science had zero to do with not believing in Christianity any longer.

Looking deep into the bible though (specifically the NT), was what started the ball rolling and then taking another look at the claims of Christianity and the definition of the Christian God and comparing that to the realities of the world. They couldn't be reconciled any further for me and I don't play pretend belief games with myself.

And, I am here for intellectual conversation, entertainment and observing the psychology involved in the posters on this board, which I find highly intriguing.

If I've asked you this before ... I apologize ... but it's my favorite question for those who claim they deconverted.

Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Hebrews 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

Are you saying, bhsmte, that at one time you:

1. were enlightened
2. tasted of the heavenly gift
3. made a partaker of the Holy Ghost
4. tasted the good word of God
5. tasted the powers of the world to come

... and gave all that up?

 

[biggles53]

If I've asked you this before ... I apologize ... but it's my favorite question for those who claim they deconverted.

Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Hebrews 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

Are you saying, bhsmte, that at one time you:

1. were enlightened
2. tasted of the heavenly gift
3. made a partaker of the Holy Ghost
4. tasted the good word of God
5. tasted the powers of the world to come

... and gave all that up?

Conclusion assumed in the premise....

 

[PsychoSarah]

They aren't all facts.
Adaptation or microevolution; which is easily observed; works in the opposite direction of evolution; which has never been observed. Repeated deletion never leads to addition, only a reduction from the original. Benevolent mutations have never been shown to advance any species. In fact, as the experiment with fruit flies demonstrated, benevolent mutations may not exist at all.

Someone has never heard of insertions, which is genetic material being added. Genetic material can also end up being swapped around, deletions are not the only thing which exists. The condition Down Syndrome, which is produced by having an extra chromosome, is proof that genetic material doesn't just decrease over time.

 

[PsychoSarah]

That is non-scientific babal. Your argument is one sided.

Do you really want me to list out the multiple books worth of data, the history and efforts of people over the course of decades, which support what I have said about evolutionary theory, which isn't even claiming evolution to be true, but just clearing up what it means and some misconceptions about it?

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Clearly, you have no idea how science works.

And you have no idea either, as your response shows the lack there of.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Originally Posted by Dizredux Toolman What on earth does this mean? It doesn't even make nonsense. Could you clarify a bit? Dizredux

"Natural process" Please explain how evolutionary beginnings of a universe are natural.

 

[PsychoSarah]

"Natural process" Please explain how evolutionary beginnings of a universe are natural.

Evolutionary theory doesn't cover how the universe came to be, only how living entities change over time across generations. It doesn't even cover how life originates, evolution isn't the theory of everything.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

AV, that's not hard to do, as your faith is indefensible. Are you here to make reasonable people of faith look silly?

There is no explanation for Faith, if there was we would call it natural process brought on by survival and reproduction.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

AV, I have a graduate degree in a science related field and believed for a good 20 years after earning that degree, so defending the belief in regards to science had zero to do with not believing in Christianity any longer. Looking deep into the bible though (specifically the NT), was what started the ball rolling and then taking another look at the claims of Christianity and the definition of the Christian God and comparing that to the realities of the world. They couldn't be reconciled any further for me and I don't play pretend belief games with myself. And, I am here for intellectual conversation, entertainment and observing the psychology involved in the posters on this board, which I find highly intriguing.

Would you say the parable of the seed falling upon Stoney ground would hit home with you?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Would you say the parable of the seed falling upon Stoney ground would hit home with you?

You act as if we have to believe this stuff literally happened to see the deeper lessons in the stories.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

And yes, god effortfully makes intelligent people and people who seek to understand the world confused. Because, you know, that is ever so productive.

Sin is very productive. So productive is sin, that the Author and Finisher of my Faith is required in order for there to be no confusion.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Conclusion assumed in the premise....

Once again it's sad when the blind laugh at the thought of sight.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Sin is very productive. So productive is sin, that the Author and Finisher of my Faith is required in order for there to be no confusion.

Is it still sin when it is god who makes it happen? Oh, the implications of that.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Do you really want me to list out the multiple books worth of data, the history and efforts of people over the course of decades, which support what I have said about evolutionary theory, which isn't even claiming evolution to be true, but just clearing up what it means and some misconceptions about it?

Sure, if I can have your time to also explain the scriptures to you also in full detail.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Sure, if I can have your time to also explain the scriptures to you also in full detail.

-_- you can if you want, but perhaps that would be better in a private message as it doesn't fall along the subject of this thread, which is just meant to clear up what evolution means, not actually assert evolution to be true or not.

I hope you realize though that if I really did cover as much content as was available on evolutionary theory, that it would exceed the total content of the bible many times over, right?

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Evolutionary theory doesn't cover how the universe came to be, only how living entities change over time across generations. It doesn't even cover how life originates, evolution isn't the theory of everything.

In that case explain why the first one cell, asexual organism changed? Considering that reproduction itself involves in something dying?

 

[PsychoSarah]

In that case explain why the first one cell, asexual organism changed? Considering that reproduction itself involves in something dying?

Reproduction doesn't need death, a bacteria which divides to reproduce doesn't die in doing so, it just becomes two organisms instead of one. Should a human have a baby they don't have to die for that child to be born.

Why the first cells changed? This is the wrong question, there wasn't an active decision on their part to change. I can explain how the process works, but mutation is relatively random thus to an extent these changes don't really have much of a why, they just happen. The reproductive process is imperfect, thus when genetic material isn't correctly copied it can have strange results.