impeachment process for Bush and Cheney started

[jad123]

Gore did win, more Americans voted for him. Political maneuvering and a court decision gave Bush the presidency (look up how Hitler got power with out popular support).

Gore did not win the election. Bush won the election fairly as he had the most electoral votes which is what matters. If you have a problem with that, fine. Then complain about the system. But the simple fact of the 2000 election is that Gore could not even win his own state. If he carried his own state then he would have won.

 

[BlessEwe]

Jesus was the only man/flesh on earth without sin who came and died for the many sins of every man. Even the ones who walked with Him deceived Jesus.

Is it possible that perhaps President Bush could lie? Is it also dangerous to trust any human ( especially one with so much power) and believe they could never tell a lie or do things for self gain. Doesn't the bible warn us of putting so much trust in the flesh?

We as Christians are to question and never put anyone on a pedestal except for Christ, as we have seen in the past so much evidence of crumbling empires from not trusting in God, but a mans word.

We have seen over and over what power and money can do to the flesh even when one claims to be a strong Christian.

Why is it so hard to see that this man could possibly be doing things that are wrong, and want to investigate farther into these claims?

Because someone says they are a Christian does not mean we are to close our eyes, ears and sing LA LA LA.
Christians are the hardest hit by satan, and the most damage can be cause by Christians when they fall. So satan is working overtime to win someone over.

 

[KarrieTex]

Jesus was the only man/flesh on earth without sin who came and died for the many sins of every man. Even the ones who walked with Him deceived Jesus.

Is it possible that perhaps President Bush could lie? Is it also dangerous to trust any human ( especially one with so much power) and believe they could never tell a lie or do things for self gain. Doesn't the bible warn us of putting so much trust in the flesh?

We as Christians are to question and never put anyone on a pedestal except for Christ, as we have seen in the past so much evidence of crumbling empires from not trusting in God, but a mans word.

We have seen over and over what power and money can do to the flesh even when one claims to be a strong Christian.

Why is it so hard to see that this man could possibly be doing things that are wrong, and want to investigate farther into these claims?

Because someone says they are a Christian does not mean we are to close our eyes, ears and sing LA LA LA.
Christians are the hardest hit by satan, and the most damage can be cause by Christians when they fall. So satan is working overtime to win someone over.

However, the same can be said that he hasn't done anything wrong and others perceive it so because they personally don't like him.

The point shouldn't be well he did this or that but what is God doing.

We as Christians believe God has a plan for every person and in every event. Why is it so hard for Christians to grasp that God wants us over there. There is something unfolding in His plan for Bush, us and the US.

 

[MezzaMorta]

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Why is it so hard for Christians to grasp that God wants us over there.

So what you are asying KarrieTex is that God wants our soldiers dieing over there and wanted those 650,000+ Iraqis to die, and the God knows how many more to die in the future?

It disturbs me that someone living in this nation can have so much hatred for our own troops and human life in general.

 

[MezzaMorta]

Gore did not win the election. Bush won the election fairly as he had the most electoral votes which is what matters.

Bush won because of a court ruling, not because the majority of American people voted for him.

 

[jad123]

Jesus was the only man/flesh on earth without sin who came and died for the many sins of every man. Even the ones who walked with Him deceived Jesus.

Is it possible that perhaps President Bush could lie? Is it also dangerous to trust any human ( especially one with so much power) and believe they could never tell a lie or do things for self gain. Doesn't the bible warn us of putting so much trust in the flesh?

We as Christians are to question and never put anyone on a pedestal except for Christ, as we have seen in the past so much evidence of crumbling empires from not trusting in God, but a mans word.

We have seen over and over what power and money can do to the flesh even when one claims to be a strong Christian.

Why is it so hard to see that this man could possibly be doing things that are wrong, and want to investigate farther into these claims?

Because someone says they are a Christian does not mean we are to close our eyes, ears and sing LA LA LA.
Christians are the hardest hit by satan, and the most damage can be cause by Christians when they fall. So satan is working overtime to win someone over.

Who is putting Bush on a pedestal? Just b/c some of us here do not feel he lied to us and we support the war in Iraq does not mean we are deceived. Conversely I could an argument that satan is using CNN, Rosie Odonnel, etc.etc. to deceive those who wnat to trash and condemn Bush for every breath he stakes.

 

[jad123]

Bush won because of a court ruling, not because the majority of American people voted for him.

Bush won b/c he had more electoral votes and gore couldn't win his own state. The court ruling was accurate and should have never happened in the first place. Popular vote does not always constitute a victory. Learn about the election process before making false statements.

 

[jad123]

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It disturbs me that someone living in this nation can have so much hatred for our own troops and human life in general.

You better stop with that garbage.

 

[KarrieTex]

You better stop with that garbage.

Just a bit of info...this person is not an American in any sense of the word.

Don't let him rile you.

 

[jad123]

Just a bit of info...this person is not an American in any sense of the word.

Don't let him rile you.

 

[MezzaMorta]

You better stop with that garbage.

I don’t agree with the Iraq war, but I would never suggest that the massive human damage on both sides of the war is in some way Gods will, that God wanted those men, women and children to die as KarrieTex did, that’s is just disgusting from both a Christian and an American.

Popular vote does not always constitute a victory.

Hitler felt the same way.

Bush won b/c he had more electoral votes and gore couldn't win his own state. The court ruling was accurate and should have never happened in the first place.

There is a lot more to it than that.

 

[jad123]

I don’t agree with the Iraq war, but I would never suggest that the massive human damage on both sides of the war is in some way Gods will, that God wanted those men, women and children to die as KarrieTex did, that’s is just disgusting from both a Christian and an American.






Hitler felt the same way.



There is a lot more to it than that.

Please educate yourself on the US election process before making stupid comments about Hitler. It does nothing for your argument. I am not sure if you are American or not as you icon does not display the US Flag but if you had an understanding of American law then you would realize that Gore did not win, Bush did not steal the election, and yes the system needs to be looked at and possibly changed. Whining about it does nothing.

As for Iraq. I support the war and pray that God has a plan for all of this. I do not claim to or even try to understand His ways. All you have done is throw out insulting one liners that you see idiots like Rosie doing. Present an intelligent argument.

 

[BlessEwe]

However, the same can be said that he hasn't done anything wrong and others perceive it so because they personally don't like him.

The point shouldn't be well he did this or that but what is God doing.

We as Christians believe God has a plan for every person and in every event. Why is it so hard for Christians to grasp that God wants us over there. There is something unfolding in His plan for Bush, us and the US.

I actually liked him especially during the time he walked into ground zero. Many felt that way, but could see very early on the twists and turns of turning 911 into a reason to start a war with Iraq.
I would still be behind him if he actually went after the people who where behind Sept. 11.. Many soldiers (like Pat Tillman, whom my family knows) were killed in Iraq after signing up to go after the sick people behind bin laden.

Not picking on you, would you mind explaining a little more on how you know that God wants us over in this horrible war.

Thank you

 

[BlessEwe]

Who is putting Bush on a pedestal? Just b/c some of us here do not feel he lied to us and we support the war in Iraq does not mean we are deceived. Conversely I could an argument that satan is using CNN, Rosie Odonnel, etc.etc. to deceive those who wnat to trash and condemn Bush for every breath he stakes.

Please don't twist my words, I meant anyone in general on a pedestal.

I will agree that the enemy works from both sides causing division, hate, and anger.

 

[Suomipoika]

again do you think we care?

What a flagrant showcase of blatant arrogance, extreme ignorance of world issues, vile self-rightousness and "we are the best" attitude. Sorry. I have spoken.

 

[KarrieTex]

What a flagrant showcase of blatant arrogance, extreme ignorance of world issues, vile self-rightousness and "we are the best" attitude. Sorry. I have spoken.

and?

OH and apathy does not equate to ignorance.

 

[KarrieTex]

I actually liked him especially during the time he walked into ground zero. Many felt that way, but could see very early on the twists and turns of turning 911 into a reason to start a war with Iraq.
I would still be behind him if he actually went after the people who where behind Sept. 11.. Many soldiers (like Pat Tillman, whom my family knows) were killed in Iraq after signing up to go after the sick people behind bin laden.

Not picking on you, would you mind explaining a little more on how you know that God wants us over in this horrible war.

Thank you

I didn't say I knew what God wants.

However, Bibically speaking it is known that God knows everything that was, is and will be. God has a plan for each person and country. With that knowledge it is simple to surmise that if God knows and has a Divine plan that we are where we need to be in this.

 

[Suomipoika]

and?

OH and apathy does not equate to ignorance.

Apathy toward injustice is NEVER a Christian's business! I can't believe that some people can actually have such a blatant "who cares" attitude. You guys should seriously learn some more world history and world geography in your schools in order not to produce that kind of blatant arrogance toward the rest of the world. I have at least learned your language since the 3rd grade in elementary school to be able to study and communicate fluently in the lingua france and hence widen my horizons as I gain more years.

 

[BlessEwe]

Apathy toward injustice is NEVER a Christian's business! I can't believe that some people can actually have such a blatant "who cares" attitude. You guys should seriously learn some more world history and world geography in your schools in order not to produce that kind of blatant arrogance toward the rest of the world. I have at least learned your language since the 3rd grade in elementary school to be able to study and communicate fluently in the lingua france and hence widen my horizons as I gain more years.

It is really not ok to attack, but I am sure you have much to add in a kind way to the conversation here. God Bless

 

[KarrieTex]

Apathy toward injustice is NEVER a Christian's business! I can't believe that some people can actually have such a blatant "who cares" attitude. You guys should seriously learn some more world history and world geography in your schools in order not to produce that kind of blatant arrogance toward the rest of the world. I have at least learned your language since the 3rd grade in elementary school to be able to study and communicate fluently in the lingua france and hence widen my horizons as I gain more years.

And?

The whole point is I don't believe the US going into Iraq is an injustice. SO again do you think I care about what the EU or whoever thinks?

You can spout all of what YOU think is an injustice all you want. Doesn't make it so and it doesn't matter to me.

In the scheme of things your view on my gov't doesn't matter a hill of beans; just as my view of your gov't doesn't matter.

By the way, your learning english since 3rd grade doesn't mean anything either and doesn't show that you have a working knowledge of my country.