GenemZ
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I've tried looking at this from every angle I can think of but I still don't understand how you get to the conclusion you do.
Why would the doctrine of an immortal soul be void just because the serpent lied?
Death was conditional, (don't eat of the tree), but there were no conditions for life. Adam wasn't commanded to eat from the tree of life to stay alive, so it seems to me more logical to think of him as living, body, soul and spirit, forever. Hence, he was created with an immortal soul.
I'm afraid I just don't follow your logic.
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Adam died spiritually when he ate. No more human spirit functioning with his soul. We are now all born spiritually dead.
Matthew 8:21-22 (New International Version)
"Another disciple said to him, "Lord, first let me go and bury my father."
But Jesus told him, "Follow me, and let the dead bury their own dead."
"Another disciple said to him, "Lord, first let me go and bury my father."
But Jesus told him, "Follow me, and let the dead bury their own dead."
All souls are seen by God as being dead until they are born again. This refers to spiritual death.
Yet, mortality refers to the soul itself. Not the state of the soul (no physical life - no spiritual life with God).
Luke 16:27-29 (New International Version)
"He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'
"Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them."
"He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'
"Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them."
Jesus was letting us know, that in the next dimension the soul enters, there is a world that causes the soul pain. Its an immaterial world that matches the immaterial soul in a way that causes torment and feelings of agony.
Luke 16:24 (New International Version)
"So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire."
"So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire."
The final place of agony (Lake of Fire) will be existing in eternity.....
Revelation 20:10 (New International Version)
"And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever. "
"And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever. "
To be forever.. would mean the soul is immortal as far as its immaterial existence.
Yet, it will be dead both spiritually and physically if he is an unbeliever.
Grace and peace, GeneZ
Yet, it will be dead both spiritually and physically if he is an unbeliever.
Grace and peace, GeneZ
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