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I'm not an immigrant. I'm a native-born American and so are all my family going back over 200 years.All Americans, save indigenous people and their descendants, are immigrants.
Illegal immigrants can't get Social Security benefits because they don't have Social Security Numbers, unless they are using stolen ones. Using stolen SSNs hurts the people to whom the SSN belongs. Other benefits, like state welfare programs, can be easier to obtain for illegal immigrants.I'm an immigrant, but choosing to return to my family of birth this year because I can't stand it here anymore. Like many of those with whom I took the oath, I am an educated, employed, tax-payer. Even before I became a citizen I was all of these things, and every single other second-generation American that I know is all of these things too. I don't know anyone who is getting any benefits, and certainly not anyone "demanding" benefits. To my knowledge - and those with better knowledge can correct me - people have to build up their social security before they can obtain benefits. I seem to recall getting statements each year, after I arrived and started work stating that I did not yet have enough "points" to obtain benefits. Eventually, at some point, that statement said I had now accrued enough points. As I didn't need any benefits, I simply shredded that letter. So, if that is the case, how are all of these "immigrants" getting benefits ... unless they have been here for a significant length of time? In which case they are US citizens. Of course, haters (many of them old white men, sitting cozily on their pensions -- which is a benefit, ha ha) will continue to hate those who are not white, no matter how many generations their family has lived in the US, no matter that they have served their country, paid their taxes, and contributed to this country in many, many ways. Sucks to be them. Pitiful stuff.
This thread is stated to be about immigrants - so why the "illegal" part of it came in, IDK, but the OP seems to be conflating the two. As for stolen SS numbers, I read that 1.4m illegals are working using stolen SS numbers. That's not even 1% of the population. It's still a crime, but it's negligible in the face of white collar crime.Illegal immigrants can't get Social Security benefits because they don't have Social Security Numbers, unless they are using stolen ones. Using stolen SSNs hurts the people to whom the SSN belongs. Other benefits, like state welfare programs, can be easier to obtain for illegal immigrants.
But they still immigrated here, no matter when it was. My family traces its lineage back to the Gauls, who came to France in the years prior to BC. They have been in that region therefore for hundreds and hundreds of years, but they were still immigrants at some point. Perhaps it should just be accepted that humans are a mobile people, who settle in some places for periods of time.I'm not an immigrant. I'm a native-born American and so are all my family going back over 200 years.
This thread is stated to be about immigrants - so why the "illegal" part of it came in, IDK, but the OP seems to be conflating the two. As for stolen SS numbers, I read that 1.4m illegals are working using stolen SS numbers. That's not even 1% of the population. It's still a crime, but it's negligible in the face of white collar crime.
So why doesn't the title of the thread address state "illegal" and the first post overall (it only mentions "immigrants.") It's well known that the OP dislikes non-whites, and openly admits it, so I don't believe it to be a mistake.The link he provided in the OP is to a story about "sanctuary laws", which isn't something that is for those who are legally. People who have obeyed the law and came here legally (like you) don't need sanctuary.
Sure, but my point was that I'm not an immigrant in the usual sense of the term. Not sure why the other poster brought it up as if it were relevant to the discussion of modern illegal immigration.But they still immigrated here, no matter when it was. My family traces its lineage back to the Gauls, who came to France in the years prior to BC. They have been in that region therefore for hundreds and hundreds of years, but they were still immigrants at some point. Perhaps it should just be accepted that humans are a mobile people, who settle in some places for periods of time.
All Americans, save indigenous people and their descendants, are immigrants.
The term "immigrant" is meaningless when used so broadly.If a person is a child of an immigrant, they themselves aren't immigrants. If a person comes to the United States legally and has a child here, the child isn't an immigrant. Just as my own ancestors came here about 4 generations ago doesn't make me an immigrant. Neither of my parents are either. My Mom and Dad were born in Illinois. I was born in Wisconsin.
I could also point out that even the Native Americans probably came to America from somewhere else if they trace back their history far enough. Some think the Native Americans originally traveled here from Egypt. By your definition, they would all be immigrants as well.
Surely you are aware Spanish has been spoken here since well before the United States was even an idea. Or did you not notice all the names of all the major cities in California?
The only way that you can say that America is a "nation of immigrants" is either to define "immigrant" so broadly that every modern nation is a "nation of immigrants" or alternatively to define "immigrant" to arbitrarily include every US citizen on the idea that even if they are part of a family that has lived here for 10 generations, that's not quite enough to not count as an immigrant in this case.
If enough "Americans," you mean.
Pure "democracy" (voting) is often 'mob rule', which seems to be the case in California.
You obviously aren't keen on a system where the vote of the largest proportion of eligible voters on a particular topic decides the outcome.
What alternatives do you propose to escape 'mob rule'?
So is 10 generations of residency the point when "Americans" become Americans? Or did you have some other definition in mind?
But they still immigrated here, no matter when it was.
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